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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 2, 2018 5:04:52 GMT
So in India there's a religion or a country belief or something that a person dies and becomes a cow. Cows are not allowed to be eaten and if you see one on the road you must let it pass no matter how slow it is walking and show full respect. Anyone know of this or heard it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:02:58 GMT
Okay, so being imprisoned for killing a cow is ridicilous, yet having legal problems for destroying a book is completely sane and reasonable...? DKTrav88 I don't know, is it? Without any hesitation and without any uncertainty I can tell that it's far from sanity and reason. Elizabeth that's cool, unfortunately, in 21st century, there are still a lot of countries that have blasphemy laws.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:29:33 GMT
It is a Hindu belief and an ancient tradition in India to revere cows. There are many reasons for this... First of all the cow is good economics. It provides milk and value added products like butter, buttermilk, ghee, yoghurt and so on. Its manure is organic fertilizer and helps to grow crops and even sold nowadays for good money. Upon death, its skin is used as leather. I met a guy a week back while travelling who told me that he had 15 cows, and the output and revenue he gets from them enables him to make a handsome living for himself and his family. He seemed content with his work, and looked quite healthy and cheerful as a farmer in his fifties while most people of his age suffer from diseases and monotony due to a sedentary lifestyle out of touch with nature. Secondly the cow is also considered a companion of sorts by many like the dog or horse or cat, due to its attachment to the owner ( if you treat it kindly and friendly) .
There was a famous cow called Lakshmi who used to cover many miles to go to the ashram of an Indian enlightened sage called Ramana Maharshi, and known for her affectionately caressing the sage who responded back affectionately. The owner of Lakshmi eventually gave the cow to Ramana seeing her devotion to the sage.
Thirdly there are spiritual reasons connected with the cow. The goddess of prosperity called Sri Lakshmi is considered embodied in the cow, and taking care of the cow properly is said to please the goddess. My family owned a cow in Ukraine but we never valued it this much. We just used it for milk. And how to they know who is who embodied in the cow? Yeah, even my ancestors, and my wife's mother also had cows, but, they used it to till land. Well, never saw anyone WORSHIPPING it, on the contrary, my uncles used to shout at cows and bulls for coming in their ways.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 3, 2018 9:33:23 GMT
Without any hesitation and without any uncertainty I can tell that it's far from sanity and reason. Elizabeth that's cool, unfortunately, in 21st century, there are still a lot of countries that have blasphemy laws. Did I demonstrate somewhere that I thought destroying a book was worthy of imprisonment?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:33:34 GMT
Okay, so being imprisoned for killing a cow is ridicilous, yet having legal problems for destroying a book is completely sane and reasonable...? DKTrav88 If you mean people wishing to destroy the bible or another religious text then there should not be any legal problems. Religion should be accepted based on free will so if they want to accept the written doctrine then great but if they want to burn it or whatever because they wish to reject it then ok. I'm all for it for them to exercise their free will and other people not punishing them for it. oh yes, one incident, the ancient aryan civilization and law text, named manusmriti was burned in india, www.tribuneindia.com/news/sunday-special/kaleidoscope/a-few-reasons-why-manu-smriti-was-burned-down/399546.htmlAll these nationalists REVER this act, as a social change. I don't care if it's racist, the only thing is, I also know what's inside of it, so i would always support it. But yes, touching a cow is blasphemy, but one can destroy the CODUS REGUS of some community here. THIS IS INDIA
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:34:19 GMT
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 3, 2018 9:38:14 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 3, 2018 9:40:03 GMT
lamburkCan you still milk it? Or is milk like the forbidden fruit?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:43:15 GMT
Without any hesitation and without any uncertainty I can tell that it's far from sanity and reason. Elizabeth that's cool, unfortunately, in 21st century, there are still a lot of countries that have blasphemy laws. Did I demonstrate somewhere that I thought destroying a book was worthy of imprisonment? No, not directly. I was just curious, after seeing a lot of " "s in regards to specific belief system, if you consider it fine or not. I'm very glad you don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:43:29 GMT
, nope
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:48:12 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 3, 2018 9:53:29 GMT
Did I demonstrate somewhere that I thought destroying a book was worthy of imprisonment? No, not directly. I was just curious, after seeing a lot of ""s inregards to specific belief system, if you consider it fine or not. I'm very glad you don't. He's not me though. I a lot too but just had to say this since you mentioned it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 10:00:41 GMT
Real reason behind the POLITICS OF SACRED COWS promoted by hindutva.
Many Hindus consider the cow to be sacred, oppose cow slaughter, and do not eat beef. However, Muslims and Christians as well as a section of Hindus are beef-eaters. The beef business in India is dominated by Muslims, and those who skin cows and work with leather are largely Muslims and Dalits.
Hindutva movement in india is largely sponsored by rich business man, including Tatas, birlas, arcelor-mittals etc, and they even want to control this TRADE.
There are lot of authentic non converted muslims, etc, who would be called as hindus, because they live in india, who are hard core beef eaters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 10:51:46 GMT
www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jul/13/historybooks.highereducationA learned brahmin PRofessor D N Jha, already expelled the myth on SACRED COWS, and he too was issued with death sentences by the national fanatics. In fact, he is correct, the aryans, who invaded subcontinent never revered cow. These Indians slaughtered cattle for both food and the elaborate sacrificial rituals prescribed by the Vedas, the first and the holiest Indian scriptures. After they settled down and turned to agriculture, they put a slightly higher value upon the cow: it produced milk, ghee, yoghurt and manure and could be used for ploughing and transport as well. The surviving brahmans of vedic ancestry want to get back to their roots, but these type of non sense are creating problems to us. This is the reason for my fighting. I want to get back to my roots, at any cost.
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Post by ajay0 on Jun 4, 2018 14:25:54 GMT
It is a Hindu belief and an ancient tradition in India to revere cows. There are many reasons for this... First of all the cow is good economics. It provides milk and value added products like butter, buttermilk, ghee, yoghurt and so on. Its manure is organic fertilizer and helps to grow crops and even sold nowadays for good money. Upon death, its skin is used as leather. I met a guy a week back while travelling who told me that he had 15 cows, and the output and revenue he gets from them enables him to make a handsome living for himself and his family. He seemed content with his work, and looked quite healthy and cheerful as a farmer in his fifties while most people of his age suffer from diseases and monotony due to a sedentary lifestyle out of touch with nature. Secondly the cow is also considered a companion of sorts by many like the dog or horse or cat, due to its attachment to the owner ( if you treat it kindly and friendly) .
There was a famous cow called Lakshmi who used to cover many miles to go to the ashram of an Indian enlightened sage called Ramana Maharshi, and known for her affectionately caressing the sage who responded back affectionately. The owner of Lakshmi eventually gave the cow to Ramana seeing her devotion to the sage.
Thirdly there are spiritual reasons connected with the cow. The goddess of prosperity called Sri Lakshmi is considered embodied in the cow, and taking care of the cow properly is said to please the goddess. My family owned a cow in Ukraine but we never valued it this much. We just used it for milk. And how to they know who is who embodied in the cow?
I remember reading that the goddess Lakshmi is associated with the cow in the ancient epic Mahabharatha. There is a cultural attitude in Hinduism towards revering the cow, and treating it well.
I used to think it was a lot of superstition, but I don't have the same attitude now.
Ramana Maharshi himself lived in a simple hut of his own or in the nearby caves, never cared much for his material comforts and lead a spartan lifestyle. But after Lakshmi's owner gave the cow to him, he built a huge expensive, granite structure to house Lakshmi and ensured that Lakshmi had the best of food, facilities and attention.
In the link you can see that Ramana prophesized that the cow Lakshmi's arrival would bring a lot of material development in the ashram and nearby areas, and it came true later on.
Ramana never left the hill but people from all over India and the world came to meet him, and the steady, long stream of tourists build up the infrastructure and town nearby, and brought fast economic development to the place.
As for how do they know who is embodied in the cow, I suppose some ancient sages understood it by intuition or meditative insight.
I was a strict logician or rationalist earlier, but I have seen, read, heard and personally experienced the role of intuition in life. Hence I don't think it should be disregarded at face value without proper investigation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 14:55:49 GMT
How much the nationalists hindutva people try to show that vedic aryans associated mysticism with cows, it would be absolutely futile, because, the aryans used to be clear about keeping the cows for the purpose of sacrifices www.apamnapat.com/articles/StoriesFromMahabharata660.html"O King, this cow has been kept by me for the sake of Gods, guests and my Pitris (ancestors). Besides, she is essential to me for the conduct of my sacrifices. I cannot give away the gift of Indra, not even if you were to offer me your whole kingdom." What else would a sacrifice means? Serving beef for guests. Gods actually means RULERS
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