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Post by Watchman on Oct 11, 2017 6:56:46 GMT
Does Kostienki and Sunghir findings of Euroaboriginals are proving enaugh... That the westerner possible IE settlement's border was not more on the west than that, or these are just coincidental findings of Euroaboriginals wandering on the East? What do you think?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 11, 2017 10:26:36 GMT
Reconstruction men on the found skulls. Kostyonki (palaeolithic site)
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 11, 2017 16:16:27 GMT
I See them CM! perhaps it is the ancestors -Baltid- People!
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Post by tmanel on Oct 12, 2017 9:19:47 GMT
Sorry, but I don´t see nothing Baltid about them (Baltids aren´t CM or CM derived, anyway).
The second one (from the top) was even considered Australoid alike, by some authors.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 12, 2017 15:31:30 GMT
Sorry, but I don´t see nothing Baltid about them (Baltids aren´t CM or CM derived, anyway). The second one (from the top) was even considered Australoid alike, by some authors. this is just my speculation! General course hard to say for sure...
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 15, 2017 23:26:00 GMT
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 15, 2017 23:26:41 GMT
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Post by Διαμονδ on Oct 21, 2017 6:07:28 GMT
Reconstruction of the skull of Sunghir ! Upper Paleolithic CRO-magnon people!
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Post by lamburk on Feb 14, 2024 20:10:30 GMT
These ones are corded ware. They look eastern german. Indo European langauges had spread through the yamanaya and corded ware treaties. Sungir is not yamnaya, but Cro magnon.
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Post by lamburk on Feb 15, 2024 16:19:05 GMT
Does Kostienki and Sunghir findings of Euroaboriginals are proving enaugh... That the westerner possible IE settlement's border was not more on the west than that, or these are just coincidental findings of Euroaboriginals wandering on the East? What do you think? I agree with you. Sungir man was a mixed race or mestizo of nilotic people or khoi san, which scientists term as homo sapien. They were earlier classified as cro magnon, but it's an outdated term. The homo sapiens also had inhabited the south east asia, before India existed, and mixed with the east asian, who later became andamanese people.
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Post by jonbain on Feb 16, 2024 6:49:56 GMT
Well, all I see is a multitude of specimens, often even the difference in one normal family is greater than that claimed between 'types'.
None of the models show any consistency at all. Humanity resembles less a linear evolution, than it does a open laboratory for alien experiments in humanoid survival.
Thats not my thesis, but an overall perspective gleaned from 70's and 80's sci-fi novels; specifically that cro-magnon was a hybrid of neanderthal and something else - likely alien. (See the elongated skulls for that). And then came Flores man to make the soup utterly unintelligible.
Nonetheless its an interesting study, if a little bit swamped with wide conjecture masquerading as fact.
And in Socratarean tradition, I do not claim to know much, only my own fragile conjecture.
But at least, I admit my conjecture for what it is...
And anyone IGNORING influence from beyond the earth, is a little bit narrow in their field of vision.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Feb 18, 2024 17:16:29 GMT
Well, all I see is a multitude of specimens, often even the difference in one normal family is greater than that claimed between 'types'. None of the models show any consistency at all. Humanity resembles less a linear evolution, than it does a open laboratory for alien experiments in humanoid survival. Thats not my thesis, but an overall perspective gleaned from 70's and 80's sci-fi novels; specifically that cro-magnon was a hybrid of neanderthal and something else - likely alien. (See the elongated skulls for that). And then came Flores man to make the soup utterly unintelligible. Nonetheless its an interesting study, if a little bit swamped with wide conjecture masquerading as fact. And in Socratarean tradition, I do not claim to know much, only my own fragile conjecture. But at least, I admit my conjecture for what it is... And anyone IGNORING influence from beyond the earth, is a little bit narrow in their field of vision. You believe in the whole, "Ancient Aliens" thing? Honestly if this was a couple of years ago, I would have rolled my eyes, but the truth is if you look at the context of the Bible, specifically the Book of Genesis 6:1-4, and its polemic against Babylon as all of Genesis 1-11 is, the elaboration on that story in the Book of Enoch, which is quoted as if it was fact in the New Testament many times though it's not scripture, as much of the Second Temple Jewish Apocrypha is referenced and many of it's contents confirmed in those books, and the Book of Giants, which is a sister text of Enoch found in some fragments in the Dead Sea Scrolls which similarly seems to be a polemic against the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Bibles' explanation of the pagan gods and how ancient people, including the Israelites conceived the gods in relation to the formation of their culture, I believe in something similar, except with what we call angels in the modern day, fallen angels as of the moment, rather than aliens. I believe that civilization was founded in the Persian Gulf Oasis by the incident described in these texts (Eden is the Persian Gulf Oasis, because the Bible gives the geography of the place with precision and it's in the Persian Gulf), and after the giant flood that destroyed it, people migrated into Europe, North Africa, the rest of the Middle east, and Western Asia bringing farming to these places the Neolithic farmers who descend from Ham (Afro-Asiatics in North Africa), Shem (Middle Easterners, specifically Semites), and Japheth (in the Aegean and the rest of Europe), and they carried the knowledge to found the first civilization recorded in Sumer, specifically Eridu right near the flooded Gulf, which in later Near Eastern texts is associated with Babylon, with a large ziggurat in the center which was the Tower of Babel. The rest of our civilizations, at least in the occident (the Muslim and Western worlds) trace back to Mesopotamia, and the rest of the world too in a large part do to Western colonialism. Anyways, sounds crazy, but mainstream archeologists, many of them like me theorize that civilization first started in the Persian Gulf, or at least the Neolitihic revolution of urbanism and farming. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm#:~:text=Jeffrey%20Rose%2C%20an%20archaeologist%20and" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/paradise-lost-gulf-oasis-was-home-earliest-humans-existed-africa-what-forced-021390 www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm#:~:text=Jeffrey%20Rose%2C%20an%20archaeologist%20and,Ocean%20around%208%2C000%20years%20ago. The timelines work out pretty well. The Persian Gulf Oasis is flooded between 13,000 and 8,000 years ago, the Neolithic Revolution happens ten thousand years or so ago in the Fertile Crescent which the Gulf was the South of and Mesopotamian civilization began and these Middle Eastern people migrated to the exact places and a little bit beyond recorded in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10, Eridu and the Sumerian Civilization starts over 7,000 years ago etc. Genesis 1-11 I think is the story of the rise of this civilization and its descent into violence and corruption before God judged it with a flood, and their subsequent migration out of this land to the rest of the known world, and their carrying this evil to the new city of Eridu/Babylon. Greek mythology has this story too, with the creation of man, Prometheus giving fire to man, and the woman Pandora ending a golden age by opening a box forbidden to her to open, and then four ages of mankind where people become more violent and wicked until Zeus floods the earth and spares two people. The Greeks even have their own table of nations afterwards that mostly records Aegean peoples. This is because the Greeks are descended from Japheth. The whole thing in Genesis 1-11 has a Mesopotamian context and the Mesopotamians have similar stories, but the Bible is more historically accurate. The Mesopotamians attributed their greatness to Divine wisdom given to them by the Apkallu before the flood, which in some Mesopotamian cultures were called the Watchers, which is specifically what Genesis 6:1-4 is referencing as well as their claim that their cities were founded by half human, half god, giant warrior kings. The Mesopotamians had no idea where Dilmun, the Garden of Eden, was except for hazy memories that it had something to do with the Gulf, which is why the kingdom of Dilmun was on a Peninsula there, but the book of Genesis gives the exact location, with exact and accurate details of a place that existed for most of the Pleistocene period and had been underwater far before the book was written, which goes to show the great antiquity of the oral traditions passed down to the Jews which became the Bible and Biblical religion, the accusation that their writers were ignorant sheep herders who are practicing a religion without deep antiquity notwithstanding. It's funny that they can remember an area that hasn't existed possibly before mammoths went extinct en masse, but people think that they can't remember the Exodus or how they came into being as a people, and made the whole thing up.
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Post by jonbain on Feb 19, 2024 7:24:07 GMT
Well, all I see is a multitude of specimens, often even the difference in one normal family is greater than that claimed between 'types'. None of the models show any consistency at all. Humanity resembles less a linear evolution, than it does a open laboratory for alien experiments in humanoid survival. Thats not my thesis, but an overall perspective gleaned from 70's and 80's sci-fi novels; specifically that cro-magnon was a hybrid of neanderthal and something else - likely alien. (See the elongated skulls for that). And then came Flores man to make the soup utterly unintelligible. Nonetheless its an interesting study, if a little bit swamped with wide conjecture masquerading as fact. And in Socratarean tradition, I do not claim to know much, only my own fragile conjecture. But at least, I admit my conjecture for what it is... And anyone IGNORING influence from beyond the earth, is a little bit narrow in their field of vision. You believe in the whole, "Ancient Aliens" thing? Honestly if this was a couple of years ago, I would have rolled my eyes, but the truth is if you look at the context of the Bible, specifically the Book of Genesis 6:1-4, and its polemic against Babylon as all of Genesis 1-11 is, the elaboration on that story in the Book of Enoch, which is quoted as if it was fact in the New Testament many times though it's not scripture, as much of the Second Temple Jewish Apocrypha is referenced and many of it's contents confirmed in those books, and the Book of Giants, which is a sister text of Enoch found in some fragments in the Dead Sea Scrolls which similarly seems to be a polemic against the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Bibles' explanation of the pagan gods and how ancient people, including the Israelites conceived the gods in relation to the formation of their culture, I believe in something similar, except with what we call angels in the modern day, fallen angels as of the moment, rather than aliens. I believe that civilization was founded in the Persian Gulf Oasis by the incident described in these texts (Eden is the Persian Gulf Oasis, because the Bible gives the geography of the place with precision and it's in the Persian Gulf), and after the giant flood that destroyed it, people migrated into Europe, North Africa, the rest of the Middle east, and Western Asia bringing farming to these places the Neolithic farmers who descend from Ham (Afro-Asiatics in North Africa), Shem (Middle Easterners, specifically Semites), and Japheth (in the Aegean and the rest of Europe), and they carried the knowledge to found the first civilization recorded in Sumer, specifically Eridu right near the flooded Gulf, which in later Near Eastern texts is associated with Babylon, with a large ziggurat in the center which was the Tower of Babel. The rest of our civilizations, at least in the occident (the Muslim and Western worlds) trace back to Mesopotamia, and the rest of the world too in a large part do to Western colonialism. Anyways, sounds crazy, but mainstream archeologists, many of them like me theorize that civilization first started in the Persian Gulf, or at least the Neolitihic revolution of urbanism and farming. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm#:~:text=Jeffrey%20Rose%2C%20an%20archaeologist%20and" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/paradise-lost-gulf-oasis-was-home-earliest-humans-existed-africa-what-forced-021390 www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm#:~:text=Jeffrey%20Rose%2C%20an%20archaeologist%20and,Ocean%20around%208%2C000%20years%20ago. The timelines work out pretty well. The Persian Gulf Oasis is flooded between 13,000 and 8,000 years ago, the Neolithic Revolution happens ten thousand years or so ago in the Fertile Crescent which the Gulf was the South of and Mesopotamian civilization began and these Middle Eastern people migrated to the exact places and a little bit beyond recorded in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10, Eridu and the Sumerian Civilization starts over 7,000 years ago etc. Genesis 1-11 I think is the story of the rise of this civilization and its descent into violence and corruption before God judged it with a flood, and their subsequent migration out of this land to the rest of the known world, and their carrying this evil to the new city of Eridu/Babylon. Greek mythology has this story too, with the creation of man, Prometheus giving fire to man, and the woman Pandora ending a golden age by opening a box forbidden to her to open, and then four ages of mankind where people become more violent and wicked until Zeus floods the earth and spares two people. The Greeks even have their own table of nations afterwards that mostly records Aegean peoples. This is because the Greeks are descended from Japheth. The whole thing in Genesis 1-11 has a Mesopotamian context and the Mesopotamians have similar stories, but the Bible is more historically accurate. The Mesopotamians attributed their greatness to Divine wisdom given to them by the Apkallu before the flood, which in some Mesopotamian cultures were called the Watchers, which is specifically what Genesis 6:1-4 is referencing as well as their claim that their cities were founded by half human, half god, giant warrior kings. The Mesopotamians had no idea where Dilmun, the Garden of Eden, was except for hazy memories that it had something to do with the Gulf, which is why the kingdom of Dilmun was on a Peninsula there, but the book of Genesis gives the exact location, with exact and accurate details of a place that existed for most of the Pleistocene period and had been underwater far before the book was written, which goes to show the great antiquity of the oral traditions passed down to the Jews which became the Bible and Biblical religion, the accusation that their writers were ignorant sheep herders who are practicing a religion without deep antiquity notwithstanding. It's funny that they can remember an area that hasn't existed possibly before mammoths went extinct en masse, but people think that they can't remember the Exodus or how they came into being as a people, and made the whole thing up. "You believe in the Whole Ancient Aliens thing?"
Aliens exist, more advanced than ours, so there is every reason to see they have been here. But certainly theorists are prone to finding an alien in every OOPA they see, real or otherwise.
Von Daniken really opened my eyes in Chariots of the Gods.
See this analysis of mine:
As for eye-rolling.... I roll my eyes at myself all the time...
;-j
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Feb 19, 2024 9:57:38 GMT
You believe in the whole, "Ancient Aliens" thing? Honestly if this was a couple of years ago, I would have rolled my eyes, but the truth is if you look at the context of the Bible, specifically the Book of Genesis 6:1-4, and its polemic against Babylon as all of Genesis 1-11 is, the elaboration on that story in the Book of Enoch, which is quoted as if it was fact in the New Testament many times though it's not scripture, as much of the Second Temple Jewish Apocrypha is referenced and many of it's contents confirmed in those books, and the Book of Giants, which is a sister text of Enoch found in some fragments in the Dead Sea Scrolls which similarly seems to be a polemic against the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Bibles' explanation of the pagan gods and how ancient people, including the Israelites conceived the gods in relation to the formation of their culture, I believe in something similar, except with what we call angels in the modern day, fallen angels as of the moment, rather than aliens. I believe that civilization was founded in the Persian Gulf Oasis by the incident described in these texts (Eden is the Persian Gulf Oasis, because the Bible gives the geography of the place with precision and it's in the Persian Gulf), and after the giant flood that destroyed it, people migrated into Europe, North Africa, the rest of the Middle east, and Western Asia bringing farming to these places the Neolithic farmers who descend from Ham (Afro-Asiatics in North Africa), Shem (Middle Easterners, specifically Semites), and Japheth (in the Aegean and the rest of Europe), and they carried the knowledge to found the first civilization recorded in Sumer, specifically Eridu right near the flooded Gulf, which in later Near Eastern texts is associated with Babylon, with a large ziggurat in the center which was the Tower of Babel. The rest of our civilizations, at least in the occident (the Muslim and Western worlds) trace back to Mesopotamia, and the rest of the world too in a large part do to Western colonialism. Anyways, sounds crazy, but mainstream archeologists, many of them like me theorize that civilization first started in the Persian Gulf, or at least the Neolitihic revolution of urbanism and farming. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm#:~:text=Jeffrey%20Rose%2C%20an%20archaeologist%20and" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/paradise-lost-gulf-oasis-was-home-earliest-humans-existed-africa-what-forced-021390 www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208151609.htm#:~:text=Jeffrey%20Rose%2C%20an%20archaeologist%20and,Ocean%20around%208%2C000%20years%20ago. The timelines work out pretty well. The Persian Gulf Oasis is flooded between 13,000 and 8,000 years ago, the Neolithic Revolution happens ten thousand years or so ago in the Fertile Crescent which the Gulf was the South of and Mesopotamian civilization began and these Middle Eastern people migrated to the exact places and a little bit beyond recorded in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10, Eridu and the Sumerian Civilization starts over 7,000 years ago etc. Genesis 1-11 I think is the story of the rise of this civilization and its descent into violence and corruption before God judged it with a flood, and their subsequent migration out of this land to the rest of the known world, and their carrying this evil to the new city of Eridu/Babylon. Greek mythology has this story too, with the creation of man, Prometheus giving fire to man, and the woman Pandora ending a golden age by opening a box forbidden to her to open, and then four ages of mankind where people become more violent and wicked until Zeus floods the earth and spares two people. The Greeks even have their own table of nations afterwards that mostly records Aegean peoples. This is because the Greeks are descended from Japheth. The whole thing in Genesis 1-11 has a Mesopotamian context and the Mesopotamians have similar stories, but the Bible is more historically accurate. The Mesopotamians attributed their greatness to Divine wisdom given to them by the Apkallu before the flood, which in some Mesopotamian cultures were called the Watchers, which is specifically what Genesis 6:1-4 is referencing as well as their claim that their cities were founded by half human, half god, giant warrior kings. The Mesopotamians had no idea where Dilmun, the Garden of Eden, was except for hazy memories that it had something to do with the Gulf, which is why the kingdom of Dilmun was on a Peninsula there, but the book of Genesis gives the exact location, with exact and accurate details of a place that existed for most of the Pleistocene period and had been underwater far before the book was written, which goes to show the great antiquity of the oral traditions passed down to the Jews which became the Bible and Biblical religion, the accusation that their writers were ignorant sheep herders who are practicing a religion without deep antiquity notwithstanding. It's funny that they can remember an area that hasn't existed possibly before mammoths went extinct en masse, but people think that they can't remember the Exodus or how they came into being as a people, and made the whole thing up. "You believe in the Whole Ancient Aliens thing?"
Aliens exist, more advanced than ours, so there is every reason to see they have been here. But certainly theorists are prone to finding an alien in every OOPA they see, real or otherwise.
Von Daniken really opened my eyes in Chariots of the Gods.
See this analysis of mine:
As for eye-rolling.... I roll my eyes at myself all the time...
;-j
Ah, well, I'm not meaning to mock it, I'm just saying it turned out to be true in a way to my surprise. I think a spiritual being like an angel of a cherubim is a kind of extraterrestrial and that they are indeed far more intelligent and advanced than we are. You've posted Ezekiel's vision of the Merkabah, the chariot throne of God, where he is enthroned between the Cherubim, which are divine throne guardians or guardians of sacred space who are portrayed as winged beings that are usually mashups of different animals, often Sphinx like. Below the throne holding it up and moving it about are the Ophanim, the wheels, which in other works like the Dead Sea Scrolls Song of the Sabbath sacrifice are classed as a separate celestial living being, the Song of the Sabbath sacrifice being a kind of template by which the Book of Revelation is styled after, though obviously very different one vision harkens back to the other in important ways. The spirit of the Cherubim is depicted as being in the wheels and the wheels move where the cherubim go. The depiction here is of God's chariot being pulled by Cherubim. Honestly though, I agree with you and Von Daniken is what I'm saying. I have a principle in life that I live by in situations such as this called, "same difference" or "what's the difference substantially?" Angels or aliens, they're both highly intelligent, highly advanced beings, not from this world that did guide the development of human civilization, giving it to mankind for good or for ill. When God rides on his Merkabah throne pulled by these beings and moved about by these many eyed otherworldly wheels surrounded by fire and lightning and other such things, what's the actual difference between it an a UFO? God is the most highly advanced being that exists. Likewise when someone tells me that dragons never existed and are a just a figment of the human imagination, I remind them that there was a time billions of years ago when dinosaurs, a bunch of giant reptiles of many kinds in land, sea, and sky, even with bird characteristics, that any ancient person looking upon would identify point blank as a dragon (in fact many dragon myths do come from them finding dinosaur fossils and trying to work out what the creatures that these bones of were like, and honestly you compare a Tyrannosaurus or Spinosaurus to what they came up with and they didn't do a half bad job from my reckoning.) The enlightenment has made us rather foolish in the art of categorization as well as many other things. If you want to conceptualize angels as extraterrestrials or dinosaurs as dragons, then you are literally correct, because they both meet every criteria of those two things, to which there isn't a difference. Alligators and crocodiles likewise are holdovers from the age of the dinosaurs, and they look plenty dragonlike to this South Carolina resident, like armored semi aquatic dragons, when you're on a boat and they enter the water the entire boat shakes perilously because their great size stirs and displaces the river, so those people out in the country that hunt them, like my extended family, I consider dragon slayers like old Siegfried himself, or Saint George.
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Post by jonbain on Feb 23, 2024 11:38:09 GMT
"You believe in the Whole Ancient Aliens thing?"
Aliens exist, more advanced than ours, so there is every reason to see they have been here. But certainly theorists are prone to finding an alien in every OOPA they see, real or otherwise.
Von Daniken really opened my eyes in Chariots of the Gods.
See this analysis of mine:
As for eye-rolling.... I roll my eyes at myself all the time...
;-j
Ah, well, I'm not meaning to mock it, I'm just saying it turned out to be true in a way to my surprise. I think a spiritual being like an angel of a cherubim is a kind of extraterrestrial and that they are indeed far more intelligent and advanced than we are. You've posted Ezekiel's vision of the Merkabah, the chariot throne of God, where he is enthroned between the Cherubim, which are divine throne guardians or guardians of sacred space who are portrayed as winged beings that are usually mashups of different animals, often Sphinx like. Below the throne holding it up and moving it about are the Ophanim, the wheels, which in other works like the Dead Sea Scrolls Song of the Sabbath sacrifice are classed as a separate celestial living being, the Song of the Sabbath sacrifice being a kind of template by which the Book of Revelation is styled after, though obviously very different one vision harkens back to the other in important ways. The spirit of the Cherubim is depicted as being in the wheels and the wheels move where the cherubim go. The depiction here is of God's chariot being pulled by Cherubim. Honestly though, I agree with you and Von Daniken is what I'm saying. I have a principle in life that I live by in situations such as this called, "same difference" or "what's the difference substantially?" Angels or aliens, they're both highly intelligent, highly advanced beings, not from this world that did guide the development of human civilization, giving it to mankind for good or for ill. When God rides on his Merkabah throne pulled by these beings and moved about by these many eyed otherworldly wheels surrounded by fire and lightning and other such things, what's the actual difference between it an a UFO? God is the most highly advanced being that exists. Likewise when someone tells me that dragons never existed and are a just a figment of the human imagination, I remind them that there was a time billions of years ago when dinosaurs, a bunch of giant reptiles of many kinds in land, sea, and sky, even with bird characteristics, that any ancient person looking upon would identify point blank as a dragon (in fact many dragon myths do come from them finding dinosaur fossils and trying to work out what the creatures that these bones of were like, and honestly you compare a Tyrannosaurus or Spinosaurus to what they came up with and they didn't do a half bad job from my reckoning.) The enlightenment has made us rather foolish in the art of categorization as well as many other things. If you want to conceptualize angels as extraterrestrials or dinosaurs as dragons, then you are literally correct, because they both meet every criteria of those two things, to which there isn't a difference. Alligators and crocodiles likewise are holdovers from the age of the dinosaurs, and they look plenty dragonlike to this South Carolina resident, like armored semi aquatic dragons, when you're on a boat and they enter the water the entire boat shakes perilously because their great size stirs and displaces the river, so those people out in the country that hunt them, like my extended family, I consider dragon slayers like old Siegfried himself, or Saint George.
Well, it would be easy to blur the lines between alien and angel, but there is a subtle difference.
Aliens are typically 3 dimensional being like us, who are confined to the laws of nature, much like we have them, but a bit more advanced.
Whereas angels are extra-dimensional beings;
that is they can move around in 4D space... or even 5D space...
But the Soul now, has extra-dimensionality to it, because the mind can conceive of 5D space, even though the body is still confined to 3D space.
So its more a matter of degree than type. Aliens seldom are portrayed as having religion, and so would perhaps be even atheists, or simple animals.
Then there are extra-dimensional creatures that are way beyond us in that sense, but are perhaps so simple in their existence that they appear to us as almost being animals.
I would not believe in bigfoot, had i not seen him, although here in africa, he is called 'Agogwe'. And he has stealth beyond normal human capacity, but its a biological ability, not a technical one.
Horatio ain't seen nothin' yet.
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