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Post by Elizabeth on May 9, 2018 10:17:59 GMT
Is it just me or did the USA always wanted to be in every war? facepalm
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 11, 2018 15:42:42 GMT
Евгений я говорю про события на Майдане, кто был их спонсором и так далее
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 15:46:20 GMT
Global politics in general is zero-sum game.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 15:49:02 GMT
Clovis MerovingianDude does not make me laugh our government consists of populists and has a rating of 0! This is recognized by all experts! I am from western Ukraine and there is no difference as here the situation is the same everywhere. You have little awareness of the situation here because you are reading propaganda resources! This should be corrected xD What's the difference what rating Ukraine has? Does "having low rating" implies "being under attack of USA troopers? I think people above who talked about global influence were right, because the influence of the globals are more than USA itself. Geopolitics change the World as they like, so there's no need for them using old methods of spreading fear. You should correct your words from 'spread fear of foreign policy of USA' to 'Influence on economic of countries'. It's easy to buy someone than do force. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 15:51:40 GMT
Clovis Merovingian Dude does not make me laugh our government consists of populists and has a rating of 0! This is recognized by all experts! I am from western Ukraine and there is no difference as here the situation is the same everywhere. You have little awareness of the situation here because you are reading propaganda resources! This should be corrected xD What's the difference what rating Ukraine has? Does "having low rating" implies "being under attack of USA troopers? I think people above who talked about global influence were right, because the influence of the globals are more than USA itself. Geopolitics change the World as they like, so there's no need for them using old methods of spreading fear. You should correct your words from 'spread fear of foreign policy of USA' to 'Influence on economic of countries'. It's easy to buy someone than do force. Believe what he wants to say is Ukraine is not a "player". |
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 11, 2018 15:54:35 GMT
I'm afraid you did not understand my position as clearly as possible, but nothing
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 11, 2018 15:58:03 GMT
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No, I said that the position of the puppet Ukrainian government is not important because it does not have the support of society and is based on speculation (read ratings)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 16:00:30 GMT
Евгений я говорю про события на Майдане, кто был их спонсором и так далее Я тут не спорю. Я тоже не верю в возможность такой самоорганизации без сторонней помощи. Но даже если и так, многие были отнюдь не прочь в этом всём поучавствовать. Это явление, чтл иногда не придаётся особой огласке, носило комплексный характер. Были и искренние люди, но присутствовали и те, кто пытался влиять на ситуацию. Например, среди некоторых групп можно было заметить Авакова, который как-то слабо вязался с общей концепцией майдана. И т.д. И безусловно, последствия, такие как гражданская война, никогда не могут быть приемлемыми. Однако, я никак не могу согласиться с какой-то тотальной интервенцией в этом деле. Акция с ёлкой стала превращаться в заворушку стихийно, и во многом благодаря опыту оранжевой "революции". Просто будучи более наблюдательным можно заметить, что эти революции, которые как гирлянды в 3м мире зажигались, вовсе не обязательно признак интервенции. Увы, я забыл автора книги, но найдя, постараюсь написать - это бывший ЦРУшник, который рассказывал, что "рев-ции" ничто иное как "продукт", вроде пропаганды, только его покупают не ин. государства, а свои недовольные оппозиционеры, которые расчётливо приходят таким образом к власти. Как говорится "это только бизнесс".  |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on May 11, 2018 16:00:43 GMT
Invasion was from the US / EU! We here know the chronicle of everything not from propogandite resources, but from life. US foreign policy causes only fears, US residents deserve better, in the worst case they will be responsible for them! What are you talking about? When US spread fear in Ukraine? Not from propaganda? Name me someone who was caused by USA in Ukraine? Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was sitting here scratching my head going, "I don't remember us doing anything to Ukraine lately." Now I know that he thinks that the Russians who invaded his country were Americans despite the Ukrainian government, the Western Europeans, and even the Russians themselves attesting to the fact that the invaders were Russians. I mean living in a country doesn't make you immune to unfounded conspiracy theories. There are still people in my country who think that 9/11 was an inside job. And it kind of does matter if you are in the part of the country that was invaded or not. If you weren't you didn't actually see any Americans who mysteriously spoke Russian and got ****faced on vodka in between battles invading your country. You might have gotten a better perspective if you saw it yourself. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 11, 2018 16:03:36 GMT
Евгений я про те события
ОЧЕНЬ хорошо знаю ведь я из МВД!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 16:03:47 GMT
unknown No, I said that the position of the puppet Ukrainian government is not important because it does not have the support of society and is based on speculation (read ratings) And its exactly what I wanted to say. If it had better people in government, you would look to minimize the worst case scenario losses, which is where you are right now. You were not playing the game well, in last couple of years. Hence why I said you're not a player. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 11, 2018 16:09:52 GMT
You do NOT understand anything from what I wrote! The American invasion = EuroMeidan! This was the root of all evil in Ukraine! I work with military intelligence services and I know Everything! Clovis Merovingian |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on May 11, 2018 16:10:51 GMT
Евгений я говорю про события на Майдане, кто был их спонсором и так далее By the way, I can read your Slavic language easily using internet tools. Its like those Mexicans in Walmart who think they're being clever talking Spanish to your face to their buddy. I'll look up your Maiden protests and see what the deal is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 16:15:36 GMT
What are you talking about? When US spread fear in Ukraine? Not from propaganda? Name me someone who was caused by USA in Ukraine? Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was sitting here scratching my head going, "I don't remember us doing anything to Ukraine lately." Now I know that he thinks that the Russians who invaded his country were Americans despite the Ukrainian government, the Western Europeans, and even the Russians themselves attesting to the fact that the invaders were Russians. I mean living in a country doesn't make you immune to unfounded conspiracy theories. There are still people in my country who think that 9/11 was an inside job. And it kind of does matter if you are in the part of the country that was invaded or not. If you weren't you didn't actually see any Americans who mysteriously spoke Russian and got ****faced on vodka in between battles invading your country. You might have gotten a better perspective if you saw it yourself. Well, what can I say here? First of all, I don't think that Diamond isn't right, but he certainly has mistaken at some points. He'd rather were talking about 'color revolutions' in the 3rd world, and yes, some arguments here can be aimed. I mean that some external influence have taken into it - to cause 'rebellion' and 'to organize it'. I don't really know who has been paying into that 'revolutions', but someone has done, because the phenomena of 'color revolution' doesn't belong to this region; it has not much signs to be local, besides there's no way to organize it without money. Secondly, regardless of conspiracy we're dealing with oligarchs, mafia and organized crime. Also, the lower level of life, the more influence of crime we deal (usually). And this point can show us that some reasons in 'conspiracy' have sane ground, but instead of 'illuminatos' we may put 'oligarchs' or 'crimes'. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 11, 2018 16:15:52 GMT
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Post by Διαμονδ on May 11, 2018 16:20:38 GMT
unknown I'm afraid that our American friends simply do not understand the essence of what I wrote (I never wrote about the military invasion of the United States in Ukraine  ) before talking about it let them look at the film above! |
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) before talking about it let them look at the film above!