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Post by joustos on Mar 25, 2018 21:33:43 GMT
For a long time, I have not played any card games, and I am against gambling, but I think that non-gambling card games are good for families and amongst friends, just for entertainment. No full deck has survived, but we have a good number of individual cards in various libraries, and full decks are available in reproductions: cards mainly from the Brambilla Deck, from the Visconti-Sforza Deck, and [from Naples] from the Charles VI Deck. Dummett is still the major authority on the tarot cards and tarot games. Originally the cards were called "triumphs" (whence the idea of "trump cards") but later were called Tarocchi [Tareaus or Tarots in French; Tarocks; etc.] In Florence, Italy, they used to have festivals -- processions and games of "triumphs", namely ox-drawn carts with triumphal agents, such as an Emperor, Death (a skeleton-attired person), the Devil, and so forth. So, what the tarot card portray is Powers or Powerful Agents which were generally recognized in Christian Italy. In France they made virtual copies of the Tarocchi, but they started using captions (names of the Powers at the bottom of the pictures), and Roman numerals to indicate a card's rank of power: the higher the number, the greater the power. A complete deck of cards has: The Ordinary suits (the military Powers) and the Tarots proper, which are, therefore, stronger than, or beat, the military powers (in card games). Each of the four suits of the military powers has an ace and contingents of soldiers (2to 10) and (pictured:) a she-flag-bearer, a he-flag-bearer or Jack, a she-rider, a he-rider, a queen, and a king. The personnels of the four armies are distinguished by their emblems: Sword, Baton, gold Coin, and Cup (or Chalice-like) glass. Since there was no monarchy in the free-commune of Milan, I always wandered why the cards depicted aristocrats. Recently it dawned on me: The King of Swords is Harold the Great who, say the Gospels, ordered a massacre of the innocents; the other three kings are the kings from the East who came to pay homage to the newly born king (Jesus) by bringing him incense (raisinous sticks), gold, and bitter myrrh in a cup [for a foretaste of his suffering]. The tarots proper]: I. Il Bagatto:The Magician II.La Papessa; The She-Pope (like a historical one, who deceived Cardinals) III. L'Imperatrice: the Empress (who existed in Europe) IV. L'Imperatore: the Emperor (of the then holy Roman-Germanic empire) V. Il Papa: the Pope (supposedly the supreme political and spiritual power) VI. L'Amore: Love or the Lovers (depicted: Francesco Sforza & Bianca Visconti) VII. Il Carro: the Chariot (the war leader; Mars; Courage, Fortitude) VIII. La Giustizia: Justice (with the traditional device: the scales) IX. Il Tempo: Time (Chronos; depicted Old Man; probably: Wisdom) X. La Ruota della Fortuna: The Wheel of Fortune (Chance) XI. La Forza: Force. XII. L'Appeso /Il Traditore: The Hanged Man/ The Traitor or Betrayer. XIII. La Morte: Death XIV. La Temperanza: Temperance (Moderation, the 4th Cardinal Virtue) XV. Il Diavolo: the Devil (or Satan) XVI. La Torre: the Tower (actually the Furnace/Athanor Fire) XVII. La Stella: the Star (probably the Planet of one's own destiny) XVIII. La Luna: the Moon XIX. Il Sole: the Sun XX. l'Angelo/IlGiudizio: The Angel who summons to the final Judgement XXI. Il Mondo: the World to come (the Kingdom of God). Originally included, but later removed, the three theological Virtues (gifts of God): Faith, Hope, Charity. Mixed visuals: sforza-visconti-tarot/
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 25, 2018 21:45:14 GMT
What's the probability of them being right? I know people use them for future things
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Post by joustos on Mar 25, 2018 22:06:50 GMT
What's the probability of them being right? I know people use them for future things It was in France that some gypsies started telling fortune by using the quite suggestive tarot cards, and some people still do, but I don't believe in any form of divination. In Italy, they were used also for meditating on the depicted subjects. Anyway, both ladies and gentlemen enjoyed playing cards.
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Post by joustos on Mar 26, 2018 0:21:12 GMT
I am trying in vain to post some of the images of the Visconti-Sforza tarot cards.
There is one card (the left one in the sixth row above): Il Matto (the Fool), which is not a trump card. He is not a power, but he cannot be triumphed over either, as he always evades being captured, so to speak. The first picture on the right is Il Bagatto (the Magician or "juggler"), sitting by a table, the lowest (# 1) of the Powers. [For more pictures, search Tarocchi; Tarot cards; Visconti Tarot; etc.]
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 26, 2018 5:50:43 GMT
joustos do you know how to do readings with them?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 26, 2018 10:33:40 GMT
I always doubt that these cards work!
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 26, 2018 10:39:58 GMT
I always doubt that these cards work! I did them online. I never followed up if they worked or not
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 11:08:12 GMT
What's the probability of them being right? I know people use them for future things You are kidding, right?
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 26, 2018 11:20:17 GMT
What's the probability of them being right? I know people use them for future things You are kidding, right? Trying to be wishful Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 11:27:10 GMT
Trying to be wishful I don't see the connection how two independent events, drawing a card and finding future, can influence one another.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 26, 2018 11:29:34 GMT
Trying to be wishful I don't see the connection how two independent events, drawing a card and finding future, can influence one another. They technically can't.... Wish killed by big bad wolf. Sigh XD
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 11:33:31 GMT
I don't see the connection how two independent events, drawing a card and finding future, can influence one another. They technically can't.... Wish killed by big bad wolf. XD Mathematically speaking, probability is equal to: P(A intersection B) = P(A)P(B), so P(B) = P(A intersection B)/P(A) where A is lets say event you drew certain set of cards, and B is event of your future occurs the way fortune teller predicted.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 26, 2018 11:40:40 GMT
ElizabethThese cards are very popular among Ukrainian gypsies!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 11:42:57 GMT
I always doubt that these cards work! I did them online. I onever followed up if they worked or not You determine the FATE of the members of ARKTOS. Anyways, even I don't believe in these tarot cards and horoscope.
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Post by joustos on Mar 26, 2018 13:17:02 GMT
joustos do you know how to do readings with them? Elizabeth, I don't know how to do any horoscope reading with them, and I don't intend to learn how. I have meditated on them for a critique of "powers" so that now I can say that some cards are obsolete and that new ones should be introduced, such as "electric power". Thus a deck can be used as a teaching aid . (I have not checked the internet whether they have the rules for various tarot games, such as Dummett carefully described.) How would an artist personify and portray "electric power", "nuclear power", and the like?
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