canadianeden
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finding out truth is the only way to live, poetic as always.
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Post by canadianeden on Mar 11, 2018 10:58:37 GMT
Hear me out!!!
I believe in a higher power than humans, something more, that we could never imagine given our clear limitations.
but putting a face on a concept that does not even exist in our dimension is evil in my book. any organisation trying to prove, show people the light and claim to know what <god> is, is Evil.
here is a little something of mine that might help people who blindly follow the Ideas of other men.
infinity can make our lives seem short to compare against, but with infinity, there are no limits. no large, no small, no long, no short; only points of perspective. life grants us the perception of limitation and a perspective view point, gives us minds to engage with, among an infinite number of component parts, and a time to wonder at the wonders of it all. every mind a functional part of an eternal process that knows no boundaries of time or space; infinitely interacting with itself as "each other", and returning to itself to rejoice, and renew. nothing is ever lost in a universe without beginning, end or limit, out-side of what is only imagined to be reality, as reality imagines itself. death marks only the boundaries of the perspective imaginations of ourselves, not out infinite living universe. in part, we belong to the universe and the universe belongs to us... in reality, we are the universe and will continue to become more of what we already are, in an infinite number of ways. Remember with love, the light without limit, at every point along the way!
-Eden Fechter
thank you very much and please tell me what is your conclusion of my text
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 11, 2018 11:03:36 GMT
Putting a face to a concept in what way? You believe in a higher power so why is it wrong to discuss it? No one can really prove anything anyway unfortunately sad
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canadianeden
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Post by canadianeden on Mar 11, 2018 11:10:16 GMT
when you put a face to the all, it is humanizing it, rendering the universe into something tangible, which it is. but in a way that seems to weak next to it's grandeur.
I never said it is wrong to discuss it! I stated that following the concept of another man on what the All is, is wrong in it's own right.
and yes we can prove things, but proving that the opposite is less true. (an apple is not round, but it is rounder than a banana, so you can use an apple to describe a circle better than a banana to someone)
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Post by joustos on Mar 26, 2018 3:47:40 GMT
If all religion is fake religion, it would be well to define or specify, to begin with, what religion (or authentic religion) is. I gather from the first post that by "religion" you mean a society or social organization which has, or forms, its own religious doctrines. Well, I would speak of religion-1 as a person's disposition, and acts, toward something divine, or gods, or something grand, powerful, and mysterious. I have always appreciated "sacred music", and today I was glad to watch a television program with (Franciscan) "Friar Alessandro in concert", singing sacred music (hymns, etc.) It is available on Utube:
I realized that he was speaking to God and others, and indirectly preaching, by singing, the way the legendary Orpheus used to sing about the gods. Singing is musical speaking or beautiful speaking, and there is nothing fake about this religious activity, or the religion he was practicing. This is the sort of religion, or rite, which a deist like myself can adhere to -- listen to, partake of, imitate. The composers of the sacred music were the primary actors of religion. Yes, religion is an art, and the performances in question are "theater" in he profound sense of the word.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 17:04:54 GMT
If all religion is fake religion, it would be well to define or specify, to begin with, what religion (or authentic religion) is. I gather from the first post that by "religion" you mean a society or social organization which has, or forms, its own religious doctrines. Well, I would speak of religion-1 as a person's disposition, and acts, toward something divine, or gods, or something grand, powerful, and mysterious. I have always appreciated "sacred music", and today I was glad to watch a television program with (Franciscan) "Friar Alessandro in concert", singing sacred music (hymns, etc.) It is available on Utube:
I realized that he was speaking to God and others, and indirectly preaching, by singing, the way the legendary Orpheus used to sing about the gods. Singing is musical speaking or beautiful speaking, and there is nothing fake about this religious activity, or the religion he was practicing. This is the sort of religion, or rite, which a deist like myself can adhere to -- listen to, partake of, imitate. The composers of the sacred music were the primary actors of religion. Yes, religion is an art, and the performances in question are "theater" in he profound sense of the word.
Justous u are a deist as well. Glad to have another deist here. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 17:20:34 GMT
What canadian is referring to is "uncaused first cause". Cause and effect can be easily observable, everything is traceable what we tend to experience. I.e chair from a wood. Living creatures from a cell. That's it. We cannot go beyond that. God is the uncaused first cause, thay lead to everything we see today. Our mind is capable of only interpreting things as observable. Hence we are stuck and human minds cannot even picture the uncaused first cause because we are limited to the cause and effect what we experience.
Hence those who claim to know God, putting a face to the concept is totally illogical. Hence all religions are fake. Good to have u mate
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 11:38:48 GMT
The far fight against individualism.
The far left and far right both tend towards a need to belong and reject individuality in favor of authority and society. They see this need to be obedient to cultural authorities as the only legitimate way to live.
They are wrong.
Without the individuals creativity and rationality society cannot survive yet every authoritarian must kill these in the individual because competition from other individuals is their biggest fear for though they will not admit it the representation of the leader is a sham. It is theft of the power of the individual.
The most common tactic used to take away choices is saying there is no right and wrong, good and bad and all is one is the only true perspective. It takes away the process of selection and denies the perspective of the individual.
Is wrong to much of an absolute and definitive? What isnt defined? How far does a chair extend into the infinite at the scale of quantum fields?
Everything is an abstraction defined into existence which means that everything is perspective based and all meaning is created by conscious individuals.
The biggest problem with religion is the same as the biggest problem with representative politics. It brings extremes to the left and right which are totalitarian in their representation of the individual.
It is their aim to nullify you as a person. Whether fascist, capitalist or communist,
Jewish, Christian, Muslim or Hindi, these systems of social and cultural control are damaging to the individuals ability to choose their interests and seek to kill this necessity by means of destroying the ability to reason, act, communicate and otherwise make choices.
They all survive by convincing you to give up your choices in favor of their representation.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 2, 2018 12:30:32 GMT
@unknown
It's good I think!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 1:10:53 GMT
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 3, 2018 8:00:14 GMT
How do you know which religions are ideas of other men or not? Or do you believe they are all the ideas of men? If you do believe that, how can you prove that each religion comes from man?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 14:06:27 GMT
The religion was shaped to suit the political need of the time and a strong fundamental for control of the population . God for instance do not posses anthropomorphic characteristics and neither we are the chosen one . Even if we were God certainly wont divide us in different religion and make us to go nuts with each other. This is clear cut common sense indication that the universal codes of love and kindness were spread into mere rituals and identification. Conformity bias and cognitive dissonance doesnt let one snap out of it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 7:23:53 GMT
DKTrav88 - Ok, we can't establish that ideas comes from men. This is really interesting questions, but mostly we can see that different ideas have their origins in some biases. It can be explained on examples of optical illusions and some biases which are constructed by our mind itself. A hunter who's watching trees sees branches that shapes like an elk. But anyway, the question of the origin the main ideas - the main ones (relation itself, a point; atomic... shortly, all logical and philosophical stuff) - is the still good question. Spinoza told that the substance, the central notion in his philosophy, has all these sides automatically in the beginning. That's why nothing except the substance can exist at the very beginning. But it doesn't mean that ideas comes from God. We can claim that a notion of 'God' is shared among people widely in history; but we can say that a common view on it implies that 'God' exists. Take a look at the next example, above I've been talking about the ideas, and that the ones 'contain' in any head of sane smart homo sapiens. So, does it imply that ideas are real? Exist?.. I don't want to insist, because I thing here's a topic for discussion. Thanks.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Apr 7, 2018 7:48:41 GMT
DKTrav88 - Ok, we can't establish that ideas comes from men. This is really interesting questions, but mostly we can see that different ideas have their origins in some biases. It can be explained on examples of optical illusions and some biases which are constructed by our mind itself. A hunter who's watching trees sees branches that shapes like an elk. But anyway, the question of the origin the main ideas - the main ones (relation itself, a point; atomic... shortly, all logical and philosophical stuff) - is the still good question. Spinoza told that the substance, the central notion in his philosophy, has all these sides automatically in the beginning. That's why nothing except the substance can exist at the very beginning. But it doesn't mean that ideas comes from God. We can claim that a notion of 'God' is shared among people widely in history; but we can say that a common view on it implies that 'God' exists. Take a look at the next example, above I've been talking about the ideas, and that the ones 'contain' in any head of sane smart homo sapiens. So, does it imply that ideas are real? Exist?.. I don't want to insist, because I thing here's a topic for discussion. Thanks. Seems like your reality is a complete mystery. I myself would hate to live a life believing the origin of ideas are a mystery. There is no foundation in such a belief. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 20:52:37 GMT
eugene u went very wide and was losely spot on .
• Humans are indoctrinated 'into' religions.
• Religions mutate randomly when spread by a host or text due to fundamental differences in individual human understanding.
• Religions experience natural selection; seductive religions that are better at assimilation drive others extinct.
• A religion that values humans over itself couldn't value itself highly enough to survive against religions that don't value humans.
• Therefore, religions are mind viruses that have evolved to manipulate humans in every way imaginable and unimaginable. As viruses, our survival only matters to them as potential hosts.
To leave yourself open to a wishful religion of your dreams is to lower your brain's immune system of reason, making you more vulnerable to the religions of nightmares. The religion of your dreams would never survive the religions of your nightmares, even if it could exist.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 7, 2018 20:54:56 GMT
eugene u went very wide and was losely spot on . • Humans are indoctrinated 'into' religions. • Religions mutate randomly when spread by a host or text due to fundamental differences in individual human understanding. • Religions experience natural selection; seductive religions that are better at assimilation drive others extinct. • A religion that values humans over itself couldn't value itself highly enough to survive against religions that don't value humans. • Therefore, religions are mind viruses that have evolved to manipulate humans in every way imaginable and unimaginable. As viruses, our survival only matters to them as potential hosts. To leave yourself open to a wishful religion of your dreams is to lower your brain's immune system of reason, making you more vulnerable to the religions of nightmares. The religion of your dreams would never survive the religions of your nightmares, even if it could exist. The problem is that you live in a region where a bad religious situation!  |
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