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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 13, 2018 16:45:07 GMT
In the United Nations, Trump words about 'Shithole Countries' were called racism!
 The UN criticized Donald Trump for his words about African refugees from 'Shithole Countries'. About such a non-public statement of the US president from the sources learned CNN, and now in the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights called such statements "racist" and inciting to xenophobia, reports Reuters.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-un/u-n-rights-office-decries-trumps-reported-remarks-as-racist-idUSKBN1F114A?il=0
During a briefing in Geneva, Rupert Colville called the comments of Trump "shocking and shameful."
Entire countries and continents can not be written off as "stinky holes," whose non-white population is not welcome because of the color of the skin, "Colville said.
As is known, from the very beginning of his presidency, Trump tries to reduce the number of refugees from poor countries, which he is resisting.
Recall that at the end of December in the United States partially abolished the decree of Trump on the entry of refugees.
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Post by Supermentalita on Jan 15, 2018 10:13:55 GMT
The UN... Who can longer take them serious?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 15, 2018 10:23:29 GMT
The UN... Who can longer take them serious? They at least pretend that they are important!  |
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Post by Brythonic Warrior on Jan 15, 2018 11:58:26 GMT
I am not surprised that an organisation such as the UN is throwing such accusations around. Besides, had he used the term 'underdeveloped Third-World countries' instead of using such language, he would have still been right, and he still would have probably been accused of discrimination for stating the truth.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Jan 15, 2018 12:12:04 GMT
The specifics of what was said are being disputed. He said we should be taking people in from
countries like Norway imstread apparently.
1. Africans don't assimilate. They just don't, Africa has a lot of problems regarding its social infrastructure and culture; like killing gays, butchering innocent people, shitting in public, having Islam as one of the primary religions (should I need to go into that any further), slave trades and having countless dictatorship problems. White people are also involved in this culture, not just blacks, and this is what makes this a cultural issue - not a race issue.
2. Taking in refugees does nothing. Right now 2.2 billion people are in far worse living standards than a lower class citizen living on minimum wage. That means we would have to take in all of them, or at least most of them, to make any significant change. We are expected to add another 80-100 million to that 2.2 billion this year, so it's anyones guess that the number will be hitting around 2.3 very shortly. When a country takes in refugees, that country takes in the best - which can really hurt those who are left behind when it comes to survival. Taking in Africans would not make any noticeable difference so it is best to help them where they are.
3. Black people exist in Norway. Saying that this is a race issue is simply false, this is the whole 'Muslim ban' thing all over again. Trump never even mentioned the word 'black', not even once. He just may have said that Africa is a shithole because of the very obvious cultural issues I mentioned in the first point and that he doesn't want these problems inside the US. Trump has not denied black people access into the states, he simply wants to find people work in exchange for a better and more functional America.
4. Obama used to bomb Africa a lot! If anyone wants to start saying that 'Obama was a better president because he was nice to Africa' then think again. Obama spent a lot of taxpayers money to bomb Libyan civilisation, and yet he knew that his methods were not effective as ISIS was still very much alive back then. I'd say calling Africa a 'shithole' is better than bombing the shit out of it's women and children for the past 8 years.
In a way, if you don't think Africa has problems then not only are you ignoring them but you are defending them. Trump may have been brash but he does have a point.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 15, 2018 12:33:35 GMT
In the US and so many Africans, including your ex-president!  Obama is an African who bombed Africa!  |
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Post by mothman on Jan 15, 2018 16:38:25 GMT
"During a briefing in Geneva, Rupert Colville called the comments of Trump "shocking......"" I don't know about you people but I don't realise what is so shocking there. And I don't see the point of labeling something "shameful" by the UN at this point in history. Also did anyone mention that he didn't really lie about this countries being shitholes.At least you can give him that.And it's not like he didn't lie and decieve international public and his own people on many other occasions. And last but not least i don't think he did anything illeagal. Bot no,he was honest for the first time in quite a while and "everyone loses their minds". Not that anyone gave a shit when he bombarded Syrians with cruise missles.Or when he exchanged insults with crazy North Corean armed with nukes.Or when he decided to send shipments with weapons to the Ukrainians(though I'm not completely sure about this last one). I don't know seems like a double standardto me. Or maybee I just don;t get it.Maybee calling someone a bitch or a (there I said it shame on me -_-) is really so much more teryfying than bombing someone who never threw a rock at you. orig00.deviantart.net/6f85/f/2008/201/b/b/why_so_serious__by_tyrite.jpg |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 4:53:50 GMT
Mr Trump is not wrong. Indeed, countries like India are shit hole.
Why do Indians always want to go to the countries of other races and ethnicity, and settle their forever and meddling in their affairs, though it is a different matter that Indians tend to keep their mouth shut, but reality is, if they get chance they would even topple them.
And yes, these nations must do better job now. There is no longer so called colonial rules in these nations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 4:57:12 GMT
The UN... Who can longer take them serious? They at least pretend that they are important! Some countries need to be split now. time has come for this. Especially, Indian sub continent need a serious rethinking. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 5:00:20 GMT
And UN is a bit wrong here. What is meant by shithole is that the government of these nations are not taking care of its own citizens, and instead the ruling elites are making sure that they don't lose power. Trump is attacking these ruling elites, as they are creating mess in the country where they have formed power.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 16, 2018 7:13:43 GMT
Mr Trump is not wrong. Indeed, countries like India are shit hole. Why do Indians always want to go to the countries of other races and ethnicity, and settle their forever and meddling in their affairs, though it is a different matter that Indians tend to keep their mouth shut, but reality is, if they get chance they would even topple them. And yes, these nations must do better job now. There is no longer so called colonial rules in these nations. Anyway he behaved unethically! That's the problem! If you justify him actions, then now I'll always say - You're guy from the third shithole world! Ok?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 7:21:22 GMT
Mr Trump is not wrong. Indeed, countries like India are shit hole. Why do Indians always want to go to the countries of other races and ethnicity, and settle their forever and meddling in their affairs, though it is a different matter that Indians tend to keep their mouth shut, but reality is, if they get chance they would even topple them. And yes, these nations must do better job now. There is no longer so called colonial rules in these nations. Anyway he behaved unethically! That's the problem! If you justify him actions, then now I'll always say - You're guy from the third shithole world! Ok?  Yes, I am from this third world shit hole |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 16, 2018 7:25:48 GMT
Where is your local patriotism? Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 7:30:06 GMT
Where is your local patriotism?  My patriotism was dead long time back, when I realized the reality. It's better than living in unreal world. |
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Post by ZeroInteruppt on Jan 17, 2018 1:49:50 GMT
I just have to say that I am indeed a patriot, to borrow a phrase "Red, White and Blue, Through and through". THAT being said, Trump is a bloody idiot. Not all patriots support him.
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 17, 2018 3:08:14 GMT
Anyway, in 2016 Trump had a bad enemy! She did not have a chance!
What undid her was losing the states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by razor-thin margins, late on election night. These three states gave Trump 46 electoral votes, of course also taking 46 votes away from Hillary’s total, so the Electoral College result was 304-227, avoiding having the election thrown into the House of Representatives, which would probably have elected Mike Pence (who’s now vice president). And these three are all Democratic Party-leaning states where Hillary should have won. Yet she was so sure of herself she never bothered to campaign in Michigan at all during October.No matter what these countries were, but it's all very incorrect from his side! Why? Because he said the truth in harsh way? Those countries should start doing better job. It should be like a trigger for their governments to work better for their people so that in 30 to 50 years they are not being mentioned as shithole by some other politician.
Yet Donald Trump is president of my country. It’s not appropriate for a president to use cusswords publicly in the first place, much less to apply such words to our fellow nations. Before Trump, no president ever did this, Lyndon Johnson rather spicy but limiting such remarks to private, one-on-one conversations in the Oval Office or by phone. And I’m sure we haven’t seen the end of the bluster from Trump’s foul mouth.
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We should also realize these African lands mostly gained independence in the 1950s or ‘60s. As new nations, they face the economic problems of development. They face the political problems of factionalism, tribalism, and stabilizing their constitutions. They endure conflicts with neighboring countries. America worked its way through such problems during the 18th and 19th centuries. We were a developing country, too, becoming rich only around 1920 or so, only to watch the setbacks of Depression and WWII further delay progress. We fought a brutal civil war, 1861-65.
There’s no royal road to the good life. Yeah, they could get there in 50 years if they keep at it. Improvement has already occurred. Average lifespans have nearly doubled since 1960, fewer people are going hungry, and horrid diseases such as Guinea worm have been eradicated. Christianity is flourishing in black Africa as well, with a large Anglican communion in Nigeria—where the bishops still wear miters. |
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