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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 18:14:15 GMT
Kant gives agnostics a bad name. Agnosticism is pious as a temporary view, but when it becomes permanent, it is a symptom of decay. Kant said that hylozoism is the death of natural philosophy yet no scientific mind today would deny that various animals have manifested self-awareness and that plants have demonstrated potential for consciousness (i.e. they can remember things).
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Post by chicodog on Jan 25, 2018 1:04:16 GMT
IF YOUR RIGHT, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, BUT..... IF YOUR WRONG, ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO SUFFER FOR BEING WRONG
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 25, 2018 1:15:10 GMT
IF YOUR RIGHT, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, BUT..... IF YOUR WRONG, ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO SUFFER FOR BEING WRONG This is so true and I tell this to people too but they're just so sure they're right even though they can't prove whether God exists or not
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Post by chicodog on Jan 25, 2018 1:58:28 GMT
RESEARCH on the god gene shows there must be some creator force responsible for the way things exist so perfectly in the known universe. neurotheology is a good perception on belief of common sense in the scientific realm
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 25, 2018 2:16:38 GMT
RESEARCH on the god gene shows there must be some creator force responsible for the way things exist so perfectly in the known universe. neurotheology is a good perception on belief of common sense in the scientific realm I'm guessing you're referring to the fact that scientist know already that not all of our DNA is human? Because they call it alien DNA that's mysterious and that something beyond this world created humans. I mean that's true since God made humans and in His image to give us that alien DNA that science calls it.
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Post by chicodog on Jan 25, 2018 2:17:22 GMT
the world observes a universal moral code.SOMETHING EXISTS,NOTHING CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING,THEREFORE ,AN ETERNAL SOMETHING EXISTS.TELEOLOGY IS A GOOD WORD TO RESEARCH IN PROOF OF
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Post by Mocha on Feb 4, 2018 19:09:46 GMT
IF YOUR RIGHT, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, BUT..... IF YOUR WRONG, ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO SUFFER FOR BEING WRONG What if you're wrong? ;P
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 4, 2018 20:51:37 GMT
IF YOUR RIGHT, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, BUT..... IF YOUR WRONG, ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO SUFFER FOR BEING WRONG What if you're wrong? ;P He has nothing to lose either way whether right or wrong but much to gain if he is right.
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Post by Mocha on Feb 4, 2018 21:01:16 GMT
He has nothing to lose either way whether right or wrong but much to gain if he is right. If the one true god is Joe Blow and you aren't worshipping him, you wouldn't have a fun time in the afterlife either, though! I'm just saying you can use this argument for any deity.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 5, 2018 2:03:37 GMT
He has nothing to lose either way whether right or wrong but much to gain if he is right. If the one true god is Joe Blow and you aren't worshipping him, you wouldn't have a fun time in the afterlife either, though! I'm just saying you can use this argument for any deity. True. But that guy is some Christian denomination I believe so if the as atheist is right in the case then he meets the afterlife with nothing but if he is right and atheist is wrong then the atheist is in hell. So don't think chocodog is worried since for him it will be either heaven if right and nothing if wrong and for the atheist nothing if right and hell if he's wrong.
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Post by Mocha on Feb 5, 2018 2:36:28 GMT
If the one true god is Joe Blow and you aren't worshipping him, you wouldn't have a fun time in the afterlife either, though! I'm just saying you can use this argument for any deity. True. But that guy is some Christian denomination I believe so if the as atheist is right in the case then he meets the afterlife with nothing but if he is right and atheist is wrong then the atheist is in hell. So don't think chocodog is worried since for him it will be either heaven if right and nothing if wrong and for the atheist nothing if right and hell if he's wrong. Just saying it's not evidence for the existence of any deity, at least to non-theists
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Post by Wolves At My Door on Feb 14, 2018 0:51:27 GMT
"The question: Should we believe in belief?
"belief in belief" is a common phenomenon not restricted to religions. Economists realise that a sound currency depends on people believing that the currency is sound, and scientists recognise that the actual objectivity of scientific studies on global warming is politically impotent unless people believe in that objectivity, so economists and scientists (among others) take steps to foster and protect such beliefs that they think are benign. That's acting on belief in belief.
Sometimes the maintenance of a belief is deemed so important that impressive systems of propaganda are erected and vigorously defended by people who do not in fact share the belief that they think is so important for society to endorse. For instance, imbecile monarchs have been kept on their thrones by widespread conspiracies of oblivion and deception when it has been deemed too socially disruptive to confirm to the populace what everybody suspects: the king is an idiot.
Religion offers an extreme case of this." - Daniel Dennett
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:00:30 GMT
Who said Kant didnt advocate existence of God ??? He summed up the existence in most iconic ways .
Kant believed in God, though he was critical of church practice ( my kinda guy)
Kant (1788 [1956]), who famously argued that the theoretical arguments for God's existence were unsuccessful, but presented a rational argument for belief in God as a “postulate of practical reason.” Kant held that a rational, moral being must necessarily will “the highest good,” which consists of a world in which people are both morally good and happy, and in which moral virtue is the condition for happiness. The latter condition implies that this end must be sought solely by moral action. However, Kant held that a person cannot rationally will such an end without believing that moral actions can successfully achieve such an end, and this requires a belief that the causal structure of nature is conducive to the achievement of this end by moral means. This is equivalent to belief in God, a moral being who is ultimately responsible for the character of the natural world.
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Post by cinchknight on Feb 21, 2018 10:45:12 GMT
IF YOUR RIGHT, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, BUT..... IF YOUR WRONG, ETERNITY IS A LONG TIME TO SUFFER FOR BEING WRONG Pascal's Wager. So which god (of the 3000 deities created by man) do you choose to place your wager on? How do you decide? I have a feeling you would decide on the deity you grew up with.
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Post by cinchknight on Feb 21, 2018 10:46:20 GMT
True. But that guy is some Christian denomination I believe so if the as atheist is right in the case then he meets the afterlife with nothing but if he is right and atheist is wrong then the atheist is in hell. So don't think chocodog is worried since for him it will be either heaven if right and nothing if wrong and for the atheist nothing if right and hell if he's wrong. But how do you decide which deity and which afterlife to bet on?
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