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Post by bagman on Jan 2, 2018 7:06:22 GMT
What is your view on veganism?
In my experience, exercising has given me a source of inner satisfaction. After exercise, I feel accomplished, healthy, and relaxed. After exercising every day for a few months I started meditating. Meditation gives an even more powerful sense of self control and mental clarity. About 2 or 3 weeks ago I started eating a vegan diet, just to test myself, and see if there were any benefits to be had. I have noticed both pros and cons, but I do believe I can use this as a tool to extend my self discipline and mental clarity.
So what does everyone here think about the philosophical/psychological implications of a vegan diet?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 2, 2018 7:16:24 GMT
A vegan diet is indeed best so I applaud you for doing it. However, I tried it and couldn't do it. Left me hungry all the time and I weigh little already so need meat to keep me from going anorexic basically What were your pros and cons?
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Post by bagman on Jan 2, 2018 7:46:35 GMT
Pros: More disciplined mind /focus Less stiffness in my joints Clearer skin No bloating Less body odor
Cons: Getting hungry more often Feeling left out at meals when others are eating meat People thinking I'm a snob
I do have to eat more often because plant food is digested very quickly, but it is doable.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 2, 2018 7:51:58 GMT
And you don't miss meat? Or sometimes still have some on special occasions? XD
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 8:24:53 GMT
I would rather say, veganism is bit overhyped. Majority of these people who promote are rich and are not hard workers.
It is meat eating which made us humans. Our ancestors were meat eaters.
Indians focus too much of vegetarian diet, but they don't understand how much deficient they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 8:32:32 GMT
Actually, vegan diet shrinks bone, and even makes the person tired.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 8:32:58 GMT
At least, I make it a point to eat one egg daily, and I prefer to egg yolks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 8:37:26 GMT
breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-healthWhy All Humans Need To Eat Meat For Health Kadya Araki Kadya Araki Coach Nutrition, Bodybuilding Share Tweet With veganism trending, many people are convincing themselves that plant-based foods can suffice when it comes to daily nutritional needs, removing all traces of meat from their diets. Unfortunately, these people may be experiencing vitamin deficiencies and suffering decreased brain volume, fatigue, and confusion. The Myths About Eating Meat One of the greatest and most harmful nutrition myths is that meat doesn’t belong in a healthy diet. Meat consumption is blamed for high cholesterol, high blood pressure, heart disease, and obesity. But if you want to point fingers at the culprit behind these health issues, point at sugar. Blame the overconsumption of carbohydrates like grains and potatoes that break down into sugar in the body.1 By nature, humans are meat eaters, and our bodies are designed for it. We have incisors for tearing meat, and molars for grinding it. If we were meant to subsist on vegetables alone, our digestive system would be similar to that of the cow, with four stomachs and the ability to ferment cellulose in order to break down plant material.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 8:37:52 GMT
Along with meat eating, a bit of alcohol and lot of cigarettes are also recommended.
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Post by Lakupala on Jan 5, 2018 7:03:12 GMT
Veganism is a virtue on the moral side of things since factory farms are cruel to animals whereas the same animal getting killed in the wild wouldn't be as cruel. As for health, I'm not sure. Maybe a little bit of meat is okay but plant based diets are a good thing.
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Post by bagman on Jan 5, 2018 7:55:12 GMT
Lamburk, I do have to agree with that article on the topic of grains and processed foods. The majority of a typical western diet is so processed, unnatural and full of grains that it causes our bodies to convert it all into sugars that are undigestible, and in turn cause disease.
I should point out though that vitamin deficiencies are caused by the lack of vitamins, not a lack of meat. Meat is rich in protein, fat, and sometimes iron, but plant based foods are more than capable of providing the nutrients we need. Vegetables aren't the only source of plant based food. There are fruits from berries to melons, to apples to mangos. There are also countless nuts and seeds. Avocados are where it's at. And grains (in moderation) are a good fiber boost.
As a side note, vitamin deficiencies are present in meat eaters too. Vitamin B6 and iron are 2 of the most common deficiencies which can easily be solved by eating leafy greens for iron, and nuts for B6.
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Post by jacob on Mar 25, 2018 15:06:04 GMT
My coworker thinks my vegan diet is unhealthy because he witnessed me heating canned lentils...
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Post by nancymac on Mar 27, 2018 20:36:22 GMT
Eating and dieting and lifestyle can be a matter of choice for various reasons, it depends on a person and their way of life. I was always a meat eater until I visited a slaughterhouse, never again do I crave meat. I eat a balanced plant-based diet, weigh less and it better health. I prepare my own food and know where and what goes in it.
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Post by XTG on Apr 21, 2018 3:16:12 GMT
For me, ethics is not a motive when considering the proposal for modern human culture to take large steps towards veganism. My motive is that I believe human beings identify as herbivores through our “biology & physiology alone”; regardless of how we identify through “our behavior”. Certainly most of us behave as this strange type of omnivore that habitually cooks meat, demestocates cows for dairy, etc. However my personal examination of the scientific consensus imparts to me that we are biologically & physiologically designed to be herbivores; and that we have proven consistently throughout history to thrive in the highest degrees of prosperity by relying on starch(i.e. Rice, corn, potatoes, beans, peas, lentils, bread, pasta, etc.) as our main source of calories. The Inca on potatoes, and later quinoa. The Aztec, Mayans, and Native American tribes on Corn(Maize). The ancient Greeks on wheat, Middle-east on bread, Asian Empires all built on rice. Meat and dairy were never ”staple foods” in these civilizations, they were delicacies reserved for ”feast and famine”; surrounded by ritual, celebration, and sacrifice, thus perhaps making hunting and slaughter more worthy of artistic representation via cave paintings. Archeological examinations of numerous sites however reveal that the amount of animal skeletons in comparison with the human skeletons of the sites populous, show that these cultures feasted on animals only a few times per year. Hair, bone, and tooth analysis all show that they ate mostly starch.
Compare the lifespans, cultural security, and athletic achievements of the ”Masai” and their respective autopsies; to the ”Kenyans” and the ”Tarahumara”.
Compare the 6-16 copies of AMY1A in our genome to the 1-2 genes each for lipase and pepsin. AMY1A is the gene for producing the enzyme ”amylase” which breaks down starch in the human gut, while enzymes lipase and pepsin break down fats and proteins respectively. To me, this directly suggests that we are genetically prep’d for a ”high-starch, low-fat, low-protein diet.”
Looking at the physiology of our digestive system reveals that us humans share a ”sacculated colon” with all herbivores, rather than the smooth short digestive tracts of omnivores such as dogs, bears, etc.
Even looking at the effect of large scale industrialized animal agriculture that first spawned in the 1940’s & 50’s, which proves destructive and hazardous to the wellbeing of our current civilization type; a move torwads veganism would still predicate desire for ”self-preservation” before it would a prideful mechanism to practice ”ethics”. Such large scale industrialized animal agriculture very well might contribute to 50% or more of GHG emissions, and be the #1 consumer of both fresh water, grain, grassland, forest, and topsoil(which is replenished 1 inch per 1 thousand years).
Now I will start on my bibliography for these statements. This is not college, and my primary motive behind this monologue was merely to entertain myself through writing and submitting a self appealing essay to trigger a megear secretion of dopamine.
Archeological, bone, dental, and hair analytics: (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tpNZAYBXNEMZDm1i7Er9CPth_nCJNiDHMTNflFHSiV303UHU2YN7Jy3NgTO4dAxiQ0qRDQbsO-oTKSc3) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4163920/#!po=4.08805)
Anthropology, health and athletic analysis of Masai and Inuit compared to Tarahumara, and Kenyans: -(https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/95/1/26/167903) -(https://nutritionstudies.org/masai-and-inuit-high-protein-diets-a-closer-look/) -(https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajhb.22239) -(https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/food-and-macronutrient-intake-of-male-adolescent-kalenjin-runners-in-kenya/52555A7D4BCBBFEA54F5AED2B37E1D87)
Genome, and DNA analytics: (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377015/) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5112570/) (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/star.201000150)
GHG emissions:-(http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf)
Freshwater consumption of modern industrialized animal agriculture: -(http://waterfootprint.org/media/downloads/Mekonnen-Hoekstra-2012-WaterFootprintFarmAnimalProducts.pdf) -(https://water.usgs.gov/edu/wulv.html)
Grain, famine, deforestation, and overgrazing. -(http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat) -(http://ipidumn.pbworks.com/f/DietMatters.pdf)
Digestive tract anotomy and analyses: (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458075/#!po=0.866337) (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Christensen6/publication/260083597_Christensen_J_Motility_of_the_Colon_In_Physiology_of_the_Gastrointestinal_Tract_Johnson_Christensen_Alpers_Jacobsen_and_Walsh_eds_3rd_Ed_Raven_Press_New_York_Chapter_24_pp_991-1024_1994/links/546e49ca0cf29806ec2eb03d/Christensen-J-Motility-of-the-Colon-In-Physiology-of-the-Gastrointestinal-Tract-Johnson-Christensen-Alpers-Jacobsen-and-Walsh-eds-3rd-Ed-Raven-Press-New-York-Chapter-24-pp-991-1024-1994.pdf)
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 3:42:04 GMT
Garden of Eden had no meat. Just saying. Veganism is better.
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