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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 21, 2023 16:58:59 GMT
Really. Are they just symbols? Maybe sound waves? Mechanical waves? Drawn geometrical shapes? Forms? Which are they?
If we say that a word exists, what does this mean them? Existing during the spelling? Or it exists being held in a head?
And what does thinking of words mean? Wording words?? Drawing words? Drawing images? Shaking neurons? Moving the brain stuff?
I would find words to be mystical in that sense that they are like as understood and comprehended as the slippery Joe.
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Post by Polaris on Oct 23, 2023 14:19:35 GMT
Really. Are they just symbols? Maybe sound waves? Mechanical waves? Drawn geometrical shapes? Forms? Which are they? If we say that a word exists, what does this mean them? Existing during the spelling? Or it exists being held in a head? And what does thinking of words mean? Wording words?? Drawing words? Drawing images? Shaking neurons? Moving the brain stuff? I would find words to be mystical in that sense that they are like as understood and comprehended as the slippery Joe. Words are Just symbols. What you hold in your head is the mental representation of the meaning ( the lexicon) and not the word itself. The mental lexicon is culturally bound and not universal. For example you find 12 different words for Ice in the Eskimo in response to only one word for Ice in African languages. Even the semantic boundary is different across languages. The area of meaning that a word covers in one language could be narrower or broader than that of its equivalent in another language. |
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Post by jonbain on Oct 25, 2023 19:04:18 GMT
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was God.
Words are forms in their purest essence.
These shadows you glimpse on the computer screen,
these are not the logos that I mean,
when I say: word.
For numbers are more 'words', than the words themselves are,
albeit that numbers unqualified by essential words,
are rendered without meaning.
Still, word-numbers (logos) combine
the physical and the psychological essences
with greater locution than any other medium,
whether art or science, or commerce.
Words are the tentacles of living consciousness,
themselves often more profound,
than the bodies that carry them.
The logos are our immortal souls,
in poems and algorithms,
they live beyond our mortal bodies.
When I quote Pythagoras,
his mighty Soul feels it,
knows it.
IS AWARE.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 25, 2023 22:47:45 GMT
Humans have a voice box and the ability to manipulate sound waves to form into logical and coherent patterns. We then create languages from the sum experiences of communicating through these patterns, languages that fascinatingly all follow a logical and coherent set of grammatical features, and style of lettering and speaking that is very distinctive in that one can easily distinguish when someone is speaking say, a Germanic language, a Romance language, a Slavic language, or a Semitic one.
We have also mastered the art of transcribing these languages and their words to paper in a symbolic form called writing. So what words are both in speaking and in written form are the unique ability of humanity to speak and manifest their unparalleled intelligence and sentience and the creativity manifested from their mind outward into the world in a useful form and communicate it with others. They are the means the species uses to express the genius ideas that it invents and the means of recording this knowledge for future posterity on the written page. Words are the secret to mankind's success and our domination of the earth.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 25, 2023 23:01:25 GMT
In the beginning was the word. And the word was God. Words are forms in their purest essence. These shadows you glimpse on the computer screen, these are not the logos that I mean, when I say: word. For numbers are more 'words', than the words themselves are, albeit that numbers unqualified by essential words, are rendered without meaning. Still, word-numbers (logos) combine the physical and the psychological essences with greater locution than any other medium, whether art or science, or commerce. Words are the tentacles of living consciousness, themselves often more profound, than the bodies that carry them. The logos are our immortal souls, in poems and algorithms, they live beyond our mortal bodies. When I quote Pythagoras, his mighty Soul feels it, knows it. IS AWARE. I did a presentation on Pythagoras in math class in college that lasted an hour to an hour and thirty minutes. I always had a terrible time passing math because autistic people like me often struggle academically because we excel in subjects that we have almost a savant like interest in, but flounder terribly in subjects we simply have no interest in. Luckily, the historical presentation on a past mathematician of our choice was forty percent of the grade and such was right up my alley. I picked Pythagoras not knowing how terribly interesting he would turn out to be. His largest relevance to mathematics as far as anyone kept telling me was the Pythagorean theorem but that was the least interesting part about him. He was a genius to be sure and was actually one of the first to posit that the universe was not heliocentric though he didn't realize as no one did yet that everything revolved around the sun, but his biggest claim to fame back then was that he ran this quite dangerous cult based upon numbers and numerology. He seemed to believe that numbers had some kind of mystical, magical powers, and formed a religion around it with its own dogmas that could not be infringed upon on pain of death. One of their members found a kind of number that was not supposed to exist and they drowned him to death for it. |
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Post by jonbain on Oct 29, 2023 6:06:28 GMT
In the beginning was the word. And the word was God. Words are forms in their purest essence. These shadows you glimpse on the computer screen, these are not the logos that I mean, when I say: word. For numbers are more 'words', than the words themselves are, albeit that numbers unqualified by essential words, are rendered without meaning. Still, word-numbers (logos) combine the physical and the psychological essences with greater locution than any other medium, whether art or science, or commerce. Words are the tentacles of living consciousness, themselves often more profound, than the bodies that carry them. The logos are our immortal souls, in poems and algorithms, they live beyond our mortal bodies. When I quote Pythagoras, his mighty Soul feels it, knows it. IS AWARE. I did a presentation on Pythagoras in math class in college that lasted an hour to an hour and thirty minutes. I always had a terrible time passing math because autistic people like me often struggle academically because we excel in subjects that we have almost a savant like interest in, but flounder terribly in subjects we simply have no interest in. Luckily, the historical presentation on a past mathematician of our choice was forty percent of the grade and such was right up my alley. I picked Pythagoras not knowing how terribly interesting he would turn out to be. His largest relevance to mathematics as far as anyone kept telling me was the Pythagorean theorem but that was the least interesting part about him. He was a genius to be sure and was actually one of the first to posit that the universe was not heliocentric though he didn't realize as no one did yet that everything revolved around the sun, but his biggest claim to fame back then was that he ran this quite dangerous cult based upon numbers and numerology. He seemed to believe that numbers had some kind of mystical, magical powers, and formed a religion around it with its own dogmas that could not be infringed upon on pain of death. One of their members found a kind of number that was not supposed to exist and they drowned him to death for it.
The amazing thing about the Pythagorean triangle, is that when in 2D we have:
H^2 = X^2 + Y^2
when we need to calculate a 3D hypotenuse, its simply
H^2 = X^2 + Y^2 + Z^2
and we can then be certain that in 5D space, the hypotenuse becomes
H^2 = V^2 + W^2 + X^2 + Y^2 + Z^2
and we have absolute certainty of this mathematically perfectly, albeit that it is virtually impossible for us to even begin to envision what 5D space could look like.
Math is itself a genuine sense experience, beyond even geometry, because it applies beyond an extension of vision into almost any aspect of the physical world.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 2, 2023 14:16:39 GMT
Really. Are they just symbols? Maybe sound waves? Mechanical waves? Drawn geometrical shapes? Forms? Which are they? If we say that a word exists, what does this mean them? Existing during the spelling? Or it exists being held in a head? And what does thinking of words mean? Wording words?? Drawing words? Drawing images? Shaking neurons? Moving the brain stuff? I would find words to be mystical in that sense that they are like as understood and comprehended as the slippery Joe. Words are Just symbols. What you hold in your head is the mental representation of the meaning ( the lexicon) and not the word itself. The mental lexicon is culturally bound and not universal. For example you find 12 different words for Ice in the Eskimo in response to only one word for Ice in African languages. Even the semantic boundary is different across languages. The area of meaning that a word covers in one language could be narrower or broader than that of its equivalent in another language. So bad if this is true. Let's say meaning is just M (whatever it is). We say that for two or more people to have a successful communication act all S must be S, all Q must be Q, all R must be R, and so forth. Since any S, Q, or R has their meaning M1, M2, and M3 (it's possible, but not necessary that M1=M2, or M1=M3, etc) if S is M1, Q is M2, R is M3, then the successful communication act supposes M1, M2, and M3 to be the same by both... However, it's not necessary to look into this way. If a communication act has to be successful it's also possible that M1 and M2 (and the same about the others) are covered only partially. Since nobody is perfect, and when R is curved some may read it as P, while someone may read it as Я, and so on. It's possible also that there are no similar meanings at all. And we fool themselves that we are able to communicate. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 2, 2023 14:20:30 GMT
In the beginning was the word. And the word was God. Words are forms in their purest essence. These shadows you glimpse on the computer screen, these are not the logos that I mean, when I say: word. For numbers are more 'words', than the words themselves are, albeit that numbers unqualified by essential words, are rendered without meaning. Still, word-numbers (logos) combine the physical and the psychological essences with greater locution than any other medium, whether art or science, or commerce. Words are the tentacles of living consciousness, themselves often more profound, than the bodies that carry them. The logos are our immortal souls, in poems and algorithms, they live beyond our mortal bodies. When I quote Pythagoras, his mighty Soul feels it, knows it. IS AWARE. I really like that numbers are not words, but what about irregular or wrong words combination? If we spell words incorrectly, then we spoil our deities from the inside, right? There's a book of Stephen King (or Richard Bachman) called "Thinner". It says there's a gypsy curse. I don't really know. It's bad if such things exist in our reality. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 2, 2023 14:31:59 GMT
Humans have a voice box and the ability to manipulate sound waves to form into logical and coherent patterns. We then create languages from the sum experiences of communicating through these patterns, languages that fascinatingly all follow a logical and coherent set of grammatical features, and style of lettering and speaking that is very distinctive in that one can easily distinguish when someone is speaking say, a Germanic language, a Romance language, a Slavic language, or a Semitic one. We have also mastered the art of transcribing these languages and their words to paper in a symbolic form called writing. So what words are both in speaking and in written form are the unique ability of humanity to speak and manifest their unparalleled intelligence and sentience and the creativity manifested from their mind outward into the world in a useful form and communicate it with others. They are the means the species uses to express the genius ideas that it invents and the means of recording this knowledge for future posterity on the written page. Words are the secret to mankind's success and our domination of the earth. Oh, Indeed! I think you have said just an incredible idea, that we are nothing, but the translators. This reminded me that the act of eating isn't just the only one. We are also breathing that is in some sense the act of oxygen eating. So, maybe we're having our words as little burgers, pizzas, etc, and then "the kitchen of us" (from the inside of our skulls) reproduces our answers?.. I've heard (it might be just a rumor) that the best orators are men. We also know (from France?) that men are the best cookers, therefore, the best cookers are the best orators. |
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Post by jonbain on Nov 3, 2023 18:53:23 GMT
Words are Just symbols. What you hold in your head is the mental representation of the meaning ( the lexicon) and not the word itself. The mental lexicon is culturally bound and not universal. For example you find 12 different words for Ice in the Eskimo in response to only one word for Ice in African languages. Even the semantic boundary is different across languages. The area of meaning that a word covers in one language could be narrower or broader than that of its equivalent in another language. So bad if this is true. Let's say meaning is just M (whatever it is). We say that for two or more people to have a successful communication act all S must be S, all Q must be Q, all R must be R, and so forth. Since any S, Q, or R has their meaning M1, M2, and M3 (it's possible, but not necessary that M1=M2, or M1=M3, etc) if S is M1, Q is M2, R is M3, then the successful communication act supposes M1, M2, and M3 to be the same by both... However, it's not necessary to look into this way. If a communication act has to be successful it's also possible that M1 and M2 (and the same about the others) are covered only partially. Since nobody is perfect, and when R is curved some may read it as P, while someone may read it as Я, and so on. It's possible also that there are no similar meanings at all. And we fool themselves that we are able to communicate.
Consider: The first word.
Was it '1' or 'I' or 'one'?
"The" :- A singular (1) article. "First" :- A single entity at the start. "Word" :- One such abject.
All of these implicitly have the concept "1" at their core.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 4, 2023 8:19:45 GMT
So bad if this is true. Let's say meaning is just M (whatever it is). We say that for two or more people to have a successful communication act all S must be S, all Q must be Q, all R must be R, and so forth. Since any S, Q, or R has their meaning M1, M2, and M3 (it's possible, but not necessary that M1=M2, or M1=M3, etc) if S is M1, Q is M2, R is M3, then the successful communication act supposes M1, M2, and M3 to be the same by both... However, it's not necessary to look into this way. If a communication act has to be successful it's also possible that M1 and M2 (and the same about the others) are covered only partially. Since nobody is perfect, and when R is curved some may read it as P, while someone may read it as Я, and so on. It's possible also that there are no similar meanings at all. And we fool themselves that we are able to communicate.
Consider: The first word.
Was it '1' or 'I' or 'one'?
"The" :- A singular (1) article. "First" :- A single entity at the start. "Word" :- One such abject.
All of these implicitly have the concept "1" at their core.
Whatever word it was, it was a first word, and since it was a first word, it was taken as one. I mean if from any sequence (1, 2, 3... or 0, 1, 0, 1... etc) we pick the first deity, then that the total sum of this deity always equals 1, since: – the first deity = a sequence – 1
or another path (where a sequence is consist of elements E1, E2, E3...):
==[the first element, the 2nd, 3rd...]=[the 2nd, 3rd, the 1st...]=[1, 2, 3...]=[1+1, 2+1, 3-1-1, 4...]=[1+n, 2+n, 3-n-n, 4...]
So if the sum of the elements of the sequence equals S, then doing [1+1, 2+1, 3-1-1, 4...] we'll have the same sum S as before, since 1+2+3=1+1+2+1+3-1-1. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Dec 21, 2023 5:00:17 GMT
Words are first an idea and an idea comes from the logos IE your inner GOD and become manifest as spoken words IE the word became flesh
This is one of the occult inspirations for the biblical God and jesus duality/story
The most powerful "thing" at are disposal is spoken words they are more powerful then any bomb and can destroy the planet or save it depending on the pattern of them used
This is one of the reasons the bible says in the beginning was the word
And all things are done through him (the living word) aka speaking
And the tower of Babel story where there language is mixed up
And several more examples but i digress
We have seen the USA go crazy fighting itself over the powers at be symply just changing out one word for a different one that already had its own meaning but by using this other word they made something that no one questioned and that everyone understood to be unchanging and flipped it into something fluid and easily changeable making half the contry think that people had lost there minds
If you dont know what I'm referring to I'm referring to the gender war going on because what they did was they took the word "style/identity" like back in the 90's there were alot of "emo kids" that kind of style and put the word gender in its place knowing good and well that the word gender was associated with sex and so peoples style of identity became there "gender" and people went from not caring to freaking out just because of the meaning associated with the word gender and made an impossible to reconcile situation to then piggyback off of for other more evil plans
And all because of words.
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