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Yeti
Nov 10, 2022 22:04:01 GMT
Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 10, 2022 22:04:01 GMT
Why people are stuck to that 'yeti exist'? What makes them keep believing in that culture? Passion to the unknown? Mysterious?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 11, 2022 13:26:38 GMT
I have no idea. Here in America, many people believe in Bigfoot, our Yeti from Native American folklore, and other strange cryptids like the Mothman, the Chupacabra, or the Jersey Devil. We even have, very near to me in Lake Murray, our own version of the Loch Ness monster called "Messie". When I first heard about it I laughed, because how in the heck would a plesiosaur (an open ocean predator that is now long extinct) get into a man-made lake? Not to mention that this lake is well trafficked by people every day. If something so big and strange lived in that lake we would know about its existence for sure.
That's the case with most of these things actually. Animals this big would require a lot of calories to survive, they'd need a breeding population, they'd poop, leave footprints and other similar mementos on the environment around them, we'd find their dead bodies in the woods or their bones laying about, and all kinds of other evidence. The logistics of these things existing just doesn't work out.
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Post by felix on Nov 11, 2022 18:42:00 GMT
There have been some cryptids that were eventually discovered to be real animals. The most recent example of this is the giant squid, another large animal that we'd assume would leave evidence prior to discovery. Of course, the ocean is harder to searcch than a forest or a mountain, but I think discoveries like these animate and "validate" people's hopes that their special cryptid will also eventually be found. blogs.iu.edu/sciu/2020/12/12/seven-cryptids-species/I used to be interested in cryptids when I was 12, and though it's no longer a passion, I still think there's a range from the extremely unlikely (e.g., the mothman) to some which are more realistic. The idea of yeti, bigfoot, etc., as large, undiscovered apes, is more realistic than the mothman, which makes the search for them more appealing.
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Yeti
Nov 12, 2022 19:43:19 GMT
Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 12, 2022 19:43:19 GMT
I have no idea. Here in America, many people believe in Bigfoot, our Yeti from Native American folklore, and other strange cryptids like the Mothman, the Chupacabra, or the Jersey Devil. We even have, very near to me in Lake Murray, our own version of the Loch Ness monster called "Messie". When I first heard about it I laughed, because how in the heck would a plesiosaur (an open ocean predator that is now long extinct) get into a man-made lake? Not to mention that this lake is well trafficked by people every day. If something so big and strange lived in that lake we would know about its existence for sure.That's the case with most of these things actually. Animals this big would require a lot of calories to survive, they'd need a breeding population, they'd poop, leave footprints and other similar mementos on the environment around them, we'd find their dead bodies in the woods or their bones laying about, and all kinds of other evidence. The logistics of these things existing just doesn't work out.These arguments are completely strong. This is exactly it - the rational explanations is enough to stop pursuing the ghosts. By the way, eleven or twelve years ago in Kozacha Lopan (I mentioned it in the news section about two months ago) I saw "Chupakabra" by myself, but that was not "that creature". Local news those days circulated (in ironic manner) the reports about people who seen that chicken killer. That year (2010 or 2011) Chupakabra killed some of hens of my neighbors. They told me that the hens' necks were with exclusive stains: as two marks left by fangs, and all the hens were dead because of the blood lost. Anyway that creature seen by me was rather some kind of a weasel. It had bright black (I mean the Moonlight reflected on that skin) cover, and it might have been confused with a cat. Also that animal had a tail not as a cat's; I can't remember, but I remember that the tail was different. When I saw it it make a brief glance on me. It was on a fence, and it was almost a night (in summer). So, it was a short time for me to see it precisely. It quickly ran, then stopped to have a brief look at my side, and went somewhere away to fast for me to chase it. Since that I haven't seen any. The villagers usually do much and about nothing. I know that no Bigfoots exist, but I would travel to some forests just to get some adventures, to write an article or something. Some scientists say that there might exist the other universes. Well, I don't know, but if they were right, Bigfoots would be there in some of the other universes.
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Yeti
Nov 12, 2022 19:51:49 GMT
Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 12, 2022 19:51:49 GMT
There have been some cryptids that were eventually discovered to be real animals. The most recent example of this is the giant squid, another large animal that we'd assume would leave evidence prior to discovery. Of course, the ocean is harder to searcch than a forest or a mountain, but I think discoveries like these animate and "validate" people's hopes that their special cryptid will also eventually be found. blogs.iu.edu/sciu/2020/12/12/seven-cryptids-species/I used to be interested in cryptids when I was 12, and though it's no longer a passion, I still think there's a range from the extremely unlikely (e.g., the mothman) to some which are more realistic. The idea of yeti, bigfoot, etc., as large, undiscovered apes, is more realistic than the mothman, which makes the search for them more appealing. Thank you for the link. The material is decent to read. Howard Lovecraft also thought that it was wrong to suppose yeti to be expectedly human-like. Maybe it was some kind of another form of life. Who knows? Actually, I believe to Clovis's remarks below the topic, because none of creatures cannot skip the requirements of the nature to survive. Besides, how the one is feed? Can we expect to find a specie that eats only the dirt earth? I guess only the Graboids are such, but they are fictional. So, any of walking species must have gone extinct without enough provisions. You are right about the ocean. I think the most promising is to rely on the ocean different researches. We've been studying almost every corner of the Earth, but poorly not every deepest of that. There are waterholes under the ground that may be the witnesses of the creepiest and the most strange things in a human history.
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Post by felix on Nov 12, 2022 20:43:32 GMT
Thank you for the link. The material is decent to read. Howard Lovecraft also thought that it was wrong to suppose yeti to be expectedly human-like. Maybe it was some kind of another form of life. Who knows? Actually, I believe to Clovis's remarks below the topic, because none of creatures cannot skip the requirements of the nature to survive. Besides, how the one is feed? Can we expect to find a specie that eats only the dirt earth? I guess only the Graboids are such, but they are fictional. So, any of walking species must have gone extinct without enough provisions. You are right about the ocean. I think the most promising is to rely on the ocean different researches. We've been studying almost every corner of the Earth, but poorly not every deepest of that. There are waterholes under the ground that may be the witnesses of the creepiest and the most strange things in a human history. My pleasure! Re-reading it reminded me of why I was passionate about this topic years ago. Regarding another form of life, if we throw aliens or "spiritual" beings in as possibilities (spirits, jinn, etc.), it could be that some of these cryptids aren't even normal animals. But this would first require us to believe aliens and spiritual beings exist, which is a totally different topic. "So, any of walking species must have gone extinct without enough provisions." - I agree with Clovis' general idea, so I also find it unlikely that we wouldn't have solid evidence for an animal that large yet...if it were still walking around today. But I do find it possible that yetis could have existed in small numbers a few centuries ago, recent enough for humans to have encounter them, but distant enough for us not to find remains yet. As a parallel, it wasn't until the late 19th century that the city of Troy was rediscovered, and Troy would have been many times the size of a yeti. Interestingly enough, I heard that some Indonesian natives told British explorers a few centuries ago about some small, human-like tribe whom they exterminated, since the latter used to kidnap the natives' children to teach them how to make fire. Then in 2003 homo floriensis was discovered, apparently 50,000 years old...but who knows what will be discovered next!
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Yeti
Nov 13, 2022 22:32:40 GMT
Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 13, 2022 22:32:40 GMT
Thank you for the link. The material is decent to read. Howard Lovecraft also thought that it was wrong to suppose yeti to be expectedly human-like. Maybe it was some kind of another form of life. Who knows? Actually, I believe to Clovis's remarks below the topic, because none of creatures cannot skip the requirements of the nature to survive. Besides, how the one is feed? Can we expect to find a specie that eats only the dirt earth? I guess only the Graboids are such, but they are fictional. So, any of walking species must have gone extinct without enough provisions. You are right about the ocean. I think the most promising is to rely on the ocean different researches. We've been studying almost every corner of the Earth, but poorly not every deepest of that. There are waterholes under the ground that may be the witnesses of the creepiest and the most strange things in a human history. My pleasure! Re-reading it reminded me of why I was passionate about this topic years ago. Regarding another form of life, if we throw aliens or "spiritual" beings in as possibilities (spirits, jinn, etc.), it could be that some of these cryptids aren't even normal animals. But this would first require us to believe aliens and spiritual beings exist, which is a totally different topic. "So, any of walking species must have gone extinct without enough provisions." - I agree with Clovis' general idea, so I also find it unlikely that we wouldn't have solid evidence for an animal that large yet...if it were still walking around today. But I do find it possible that yetis could have existed in small numbers a few centuries ago, recent enough for humans to have encounter them, but distant enough for us not to find remains yet. As a parallel, it wasn't until the late 19th century that the city of Troy was rediscovered, and Troy would have been many times the size of a yeti. Interestingly enough, I heard that some Indonesian natives told British explorers a few centuries ago about some small, human-like tribe whom they exterminated, since the latter used to kidnap the natives' children to teach them how to make fire. Then in 2003 homo floriensis was discovered, apparently 50,000 years old...but who knows what will be discovered next! Yes. As you said those are not normal animals. Just like Lovecraft's or some others with similar views: this isn't impossible, if there are undiscovered corners of the Earth left. The deep down into the Ocean. Maybe the number of them is too little to be found easily. Logically Yeti are not impossible. Well, I don't know, because whether or not of their presence, I would go hunting for them as a journalist. And about India. If what you've said is true, then this only increases chances to find some exclusive species. Yeah, by mistake even dinosaurs might have been killed. I've heard of quite a similar story, but that was somewhere in New Zeland, about some tribes of them. They say even Antarctica might have been inhabited with some still unknown creatures.
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Yeti
Dec 5, 2022 22:52:40 GMT
Post by Clovis Merovingian on Dec 5, 2022 22:52:40 GMT
Thank you for the link. The material is decent to read. Howard Lovecraft also thought that it was wrong to suppose yeti to be expectedly human-like. Maybe it was some kind of another form of life. Who knows? Actually, I believe to Clovis's remarks below the topic, because none of creatures cannot skip the requirements of the nature to survive. Besides, how the one is feed? Can we expect to find a specie that eats only the dirt earth? I guess only the Graboids are such, but they are fictional. So, any of walking species must have gone extinct without enough provisions. You are right about the ocean. I think the most promising is to rely on the ocean different researches. We've been studying almost every corner of the Earth, but poorly not every deepest of that. There are waterholes under the ground that may be the witnesses of the creepiest and the most strange things in a human history. My pleasure! Re-reading it reminded me of why I was passionate about this topic years ago. Regarding another form of life, if we throw aliens or "spiritual" beings in as possibilities (spirits, jinn, etc.), it could be that some of these cryptids aren't even normal animals. But this would first require us to believe aliens and spiritual beings exist, which is a totally different topic. "So, any of walking species must have gone extinct without enough provisions." - I agree with Clovis' general idea, so I also find it unlikely that we wouldn't have solid evidence for an animal that large yet...if it were still walking around today. But I do find it possible that yetis could have existed in small numbers a few centuries ago, recent enough for humans to have encounter them, but distant enough for us not to find remains yet. As a parallel, it wasn't until the late 19th century that the city of Troy was rediscovered, and Troy would have been many times the size of a yeti. Interestingly enough, I heard that some Indonesian natives told British explorers a few centuries ago about some small, human-like tribe whom they exterminated, since the latter used to kidnap the natives' children to teach them how to make fire. Then in 2003 homo floriensis was discovered, apparently 50,000 years old...but who knows what will be discovered next! Well, as for the Yeti. This thing used to be trotting around East Asia in prehistory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GigantopithecusIt didn't live in the Himalayas to my knowledge but rather in Southern China, Vietnam, and other jungles in Southeast Asia but its possible that there could be a relative to this species that lived in the mountains that we haven't discovered.
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