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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 3, 2022 20:02:44 GMT
According to realism, if you accept a view that there's something outside you, and it exists whatever you thing about it, or whichever how you look at it, then you're a realist.
Anti-realists accept another thought. By them we cannot see things clearly, without any interruptions from our own views. In other words, the objects of our view are constructed by our minds, but not completely. Logic outside of our views correspond to a logic outside, because we're projecting that structure onto the world.
Easiest way to explain these both thoughts using a concept of the universe without an observer. For antirealists such a universe is completely different to the universe with observers. By them, the cogito or the cognition leads an important role in the universe. It's not just a junk. Contrary to it, a realist would claim that it doesn't really matter whether or not there's a cognition, because nothing important had happened to the universe if the mind would have been removed or absent in it.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Sept 5, 2022 3:11:14 GMT
But how would they know that a universe without an observer would be totally different than the universe with an observer? Does that require observing?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 5, 2022 13:15:59 GMT
But how would they know that a universe without an observer would be totally different than the universe with an observer? Does that require observing? It's a really good question. I guess this is a weak point of theirs. Actually, some of those who wrote about the antirealism, as Michael Dummett, never claimed to be antirealist completely. I mean Dummett said that he might think of antirealism as a possible description, but he didn't share this view completely.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Sept 7, 2022 1:40:20 GMT
I think that both views are a mis understanding of what is actually going on, I'll explain
The world we see is infact all in are head if it wasn't then you wouldn't even know about it However that doesn't mean that it's not outside of your head either
See as light inters your eyes your brain interprets the light signals and translates them into what you are experiencing right now so in a way the reality that you experience and see is created by you but that doesn't mean that it's not outside of you and it's not more than you this is where the mind twisting seems to occur with these perspectives
Because they add on "therefore you are reality nothing exists outside of you" which is a misunderstanding of what the data is really saying because just because your mind is interpreting something doesn't mean that that something doesn't exist outside of you it most certainly does
Your brain tries it's absolute best to give you the most accurate interpretation of the real world outside of you and sometimes it's not always accurate this is why we make mistakes or why you can do a magic trick because the hands faster than the eye the reason a person can be fooled like this is because we are simply receiving an interpretation of what's reality as opposed to actually receiving the thing itself
And the problem with interpretation is it subject to The interpreter so this little window is left for sabotage so you could say and the imagination will occasionally come in and manipulate it and so when we remember things that we have interpreted the imagination tends to go in and adjust them to fit its narrative and unfortunately we usually can't tell that this has happened and so we create our own illusion without knowing that it no longer its reality
So yes everything is in your head but it's also outside of your head so I guess you could say both views combined would be more accurate than one versus the other
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