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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 26, 2022 15:51:02 GMT
This thought just visited me. So, what is the task? You need to use Cartesian coordinates to do this thing:
- draw a formula that is recursively describes itself
or, in other words: - type such a text (such a function) that describes itself by itself (referring to itself)
I don't know whether you understand it, but I'll try to give an example, however - this isn't a solution, since I haven't found it yet:
imagine that on the Cartesian coordinates you see a function f such that
f(?) = ??
and this imaginary function that explains you how to draw exactly this formula "f(?) = ??". Try it. This isn't easy a bit.
P.S. I want to give some typical advice before any challenges about the recursion. Let's say if Bible contains all the reference about everything, then it must have got a text how the text in Bible has been written, and how to cause fire, how to cook food, etc. But it also must include the reference how to read what you read, and how to understand what you understand, and so on. So, it must have the explanations of how the Book is made, and so on.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 26, 2022 16:38:37 GMT
Godel's theorem.
In a nutshell. A set that contains within it the parameters of the set. Or more simply, place a bottle inside a bottle.
It is only possible to put in x within y if y is greater than x
so you cannot do it because that would imply that x is greater than x
in computer terms you cannot write an algorithm that can resolve itself
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 26, 2022 18:46:46 GMT
Godel's theorem. In a nutshell. A set that contains within it the parameters of the set. Or more simply, place a bottle inside a bottle. It is only possible to put in x within y if y is greater than x so you cannot do it because that would imply that x is greater than x in computer terms you cannot write an algorithm that can resolve itself It's true. There was a talk between me and Karl. Karl also said that - about the computers. (I'm not close to this, so I cannot bring quite examples.) Also can't say I tried to step by step investigated these theorems (or at least first of them), but I read some books that helped me to. The theorem of Godel has at least two tricks that helps the systems itself to try to recreate a liar paradox statement about the system: a) digitalization b) diagonalization The first demonstrates how to rewrite any formula into a number formula. So this step is simple. Another one is indeed difficult. Hardly I understand it. This step allow to get a dull or a free formula from an ordinary one. It's like firstly you have something like this: ∀x(Px → Qx) (1) And then a function lambda is added: λx[∀x(Px → Qx)] (2) If the first formula is indeed a formula, then the 2nd is just a set that looks like a formula. So, the final step for Godel - as far as I can comprehend or to realize - is to digitize the 2nd formula, and to entail something funny to achieve the self-contradiction formula. But here is another task. It doesn't suppose any abstractions as in Godel's theorem (by the way, I don't trust Godel. By intuition it doesn't seem to be true. He used his method to describe finite systems only. Besides some of his steps go far from the usual Predicate Calculus. So, I don't know). This time only what we've got is - Cartesian coordinates, and we want to draw a picture/function (a message) that tells (mathematically) exactly that function. In other words, that curved line we'd like to see drawn on Cartesian coordinates must be a function, and if to apply this function - we will see this function appear on the Cartesian coordinates. ∀ ∃ □ ◊ ¬ ∧ → ⊃ ⊢ ⊨ ≡ ⊆ ⊂ ⊄ ∈ ∉ ⋂ ∅ ϕ 𝓕 ξ
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