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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 23, 2022 23:36:53 GMT
Many people on Earth would agree at when a dog is angry or ready to attack/to bite, or about a cat's runs about. The same is about smiles or emojis during these last decades.
If a smile couldn't be recognized by some tribes, an animal's behavior would be more agreed. That's why any anthropologist would rather use animal/nature as the reference in the vocabulary to start speaking with a savage.
Such words as a tree or the Sun are most comprehensive. Another way – to use human reference as a hand, a head, etc. Any emotions are human's. At the time, the emotions are being found almost elsewhere: among the pets, among the cartoon characters, and even among people from different epoch.
If emotions are so well shared and present almost everywhere, then what about recognizing them as objective things? So, the question is: which emotions are objective? And do they?
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Post by MAYA-EL on May 24, 2022 16:12:56 GMT
Many people on Earth would agree at when a dog is angry or ready to attack/to bite, or about a cat's runs about. The same is about smiles or emojis during these last decades. If a smile couldn't be recognized by some tribes, an animal's behavior would be more agreed. That's why any anthropologist would rather use animal/nature as the reference in the vocabulary to start speaking with a savage. Such words as a tree or the Sun are most comprehensive. Another way – to use human reference as a hand, a head, etc. Any emotions are human's. At the time, the emotions are being found almost elsewhere: among the pets, among the cartoon characters, and even among people from different epoch. If emotions are so well shared and present almost everywhere, then what about recognizing them as objective things? So, the question is: which emotions are objective? And do they? In the unpopular part of the occult when interpreting ancient literature animals represented emotions due to their nature of consistency and how when you say the name of an animal the general understanding of what that animals habits are just like when we say happy we all understand what happy means For example in the bible Noah had to take 2 animals of each kind into the Arc male and female The arc is the human mind and the animals are emotions and he had to have both the masculine and The feminine which means a complete understanding so that the emotion can truly be utilized and understood |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 25, 2022 6:00:44 GMT
Many people on Earth would agree at when a dog is angry or ready to attack/to bite, or about a cat's runs about. The same is about smiles or emojis during these last decades. If a smile couldn't be recognized by some tribes, an animal's behavior would be more agreed. That's why any anthropologist would rather use animal/nature as the reference in the vocabulary to start speaking with a savage. Such words as a tree or the Sun are most comprehensive. Another way – to use human reference as a hand, a head, etc. Any emotions are human's. At the time, the emotions are being found almost elsewhere: among the pets, among the cartoon characters, and even among people from different epoch. If emotions are so well shared and present almost everywhere, then what about recognizing them as objective things? So, the question is: which emotions are objective? And do they? In the unpopular part of the occult when interpreting ancient literature animals represented emotions due to their nature of consistency and how when you say the name of an animal the general understanding of what that animals habits are just like when we say happy we all understand what happy means For example in the bible Noah had to take 2 animals of each kind into the Arc male and female The arc is the human mind and the animals are emotions and he had to have both the masculine and The feminine which means a complete understanding so that the emotion can truly be utilized and understood Really nice piece of argument. I don't like any occult stuff, can't say I believe it a bit, but as a fact of culture history of humanity, as something that can give a key to this problem – is really impressive. Especially about canalizing or utilizing the emotions. Well, my point was quite different, I just compared the emotions of animals, and emotions of people saying that there was a mutual connect = we could understand each other's emotions. Your point is more deeper. You've brought here a cultural background linking it up with symbolical and etc things. Cool. As I said I don't like the occult, however there's another connection in as religion so occult through the sacrifices as a kind of symbolism. For instance, for some reason, which are possible to be the representation of some expressions /emotions/, utilizing with fire an animal can be taken as getting rid of some weight in the soul, an act of getting rid of some burdens. Today we'd rather take a couple of pills to get rid of emotions, but earlier seemed one should bring the animal. By the way, not all the tribes had animal sacrifices. Some of tribes of Indians as well as in Afrika killed human being. I wonder which energy or emotions could have been utilized then? |
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Post by jonbain on May 25, 2022 18:26:17 GMT
Karl Jung had 4 core emotions, and an emergent 5th emotion.
Which he deconstructed as the 5 visible planets by archetypal emotion:
Mars is war and Anger.
Venus is Love.
Saturn is Sadness,
and Jupiter, or Jove, is Joy or Joviality.
Mercury, then encompasses all these as: enlightenment.
Notice that the masculine pair: Anger and Joy are extroverted,
whereas the feminine is introverted.
Each pair has a positive and a negative.
So its a very objective foundation.
Enlightenment has to be more than mere love here.
For it also encapsulates the negative aspects of life.
This is why Jung expects us to integrate the negative parts of life.
If a man represses sadness, he will become victim of subconscious bouts of anger.
If a woman represses anger, she will become engulfed in all-absorbing sadness.
Each emotion must have its place
for enlightenment to ensue.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 25, 2022 19:13:29 GMT
Karl Jung had 4 core emotions, and an emergent 5th emotion. Which he deconstructed as the 5 visible planets by archetypal emotion: Mars is war and Anger. Venus is Love. Saturn is Sadness, and Jupiter, or Jove, is Joy or Joviality. Mercury, then encompasses all these as: enlightenment. Notice that the masculine pair: Anger and Joy are extroverted, whereas the feminine is introverted. Each pair has a positive and a negative. So its a very objective foundation. Enlightenment has to be more than mere love here. For it also encapsulates the negative aspects of life. This is why Jung expects us to integrate the negative parts of life. If a man represses sadness, he will become victim of subconscious bouts of anger. If a woman represses anger, she will become engulfed in all-absorbing sadness. Each emotion must have its place for enlightenment to ensue. Maya-el brought also the example of occult... I wonder why this question can be linked to the occult stuff? This is very interesting. Can we trust to occult? Using of dive into it risks to stain or to cloud our souls. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on May 26, 2022 4:48:39 GMT
Karl Jung had 4 core emotions, and an emergent 5th emotion. Which he deconstructed as the 5 visible planets by archetypal emotion: Mars is war and Anger. Venus is Love. Saturn is Sadness, and Jupiter, or Jove, is Joy or Joviality. Mercury, then encompasses all these as: enlightenment. Notice that the masculine pair: Anger and Joy are extroverted, whereas the feminine is introverted. Each pair has a positive and a negative. So its a very objective foundation. Enlightenment has to be more than mere love here. For it also encapsulates the negative aspects of life. This is why Jung expects us to integrate the negative parts of life. If a man represses sadness, he will become victim of subconscious bouts of anger. If a woman represses anger, she will become engulfed in all-absorbing sadness. Each emotion must have its place for enlightenment to ensue. Maya-el brought also the example of occult... I wonder why this question can be linked to the occult stuff? This is very interesting. Can we trust to occult? Using of dive into it risks to stain or to cloud our souls. I agree with you I don't like the occult one bit however I live by the old saying "keep your enemies closer' and so I study any and all things and groups that have anything to do with the spiritual side of life Because as much as I hate to admit it the spiritual realm is real and influences every living thing and so I learn about these things so that I can better keep myself and my family safe as possible Because magik is also a real thing however it has its limits and it's rules that can't be broken and one of those characteristics happens to be That magik works on what you're not aware of So a person can have there life become a living hell and not know why and it be because of magik from someone attacking them and so long as they remain oblivious to it they can't stop it And this is why I learn about these things so that I am not cought ignorant. And occult means hidden so it's not necessarily a "group" although many groups have sprouted up throughout time they were simply piggy backing the name for common name sake But originally the occult was just people from all over the world that were initiated and learning by themselves there was no place of gathering and no physical master . What you said about the animal sacrifice goes right along with the particular interpretation that goes along with the one I previously mentioned which is That the almost sacrifice was upon the altar (which represents the heart/mind) And so killing the emotion temporarily pay the debt for sin, however if the animal isn't actually a literal animal and the alter isn't actually a alter like we normally think of then that means that the "sin" that it atones for also isn't what we think of traditional. And I find it very interesting how sacrificing these emotions is oddly similar to other Eastern religions like in Hinduism or Buddhism when the goal is samatti where you trans mute earthly desires and are liberated from them and are no longer played by you desires enrich place of bliss very similar to the Hebrew sacrifices or your destroying and transmitting that emotion on the altar it's said that in tribes that do human sacrificing they do so under the justification that each animal is able to send a message to the spirit world which is why certain animals are used in certain sacrifices but to send the most important message and get it sent to the highest level in the spirit realm you send it piggybacking the spirit of a human so that message reaches the highest influence possible and so whatever the tribes most important message was to send this program they would do so piggybacking the death of whoever they sacrificed |
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Post by jonbain on May 26, 2022 12:02:33 GMT
The term "occult" is problematic and has a variety of meanings to many people.
But Jung seems to have meant his categorizing of emotion in a fairly down
to earth way. Its just that these emotions being primal had survived as the
narrative of the planets purely because people recognized them as being
useful ideas as points of reference, figuratively.
We could just as easily look to the 5 symbols of the Norse tradition
symbolized by the same 5 planets, but not in the same order:
Thor, Tiu, Oden, Frija, Saturn
these are where the names of the week originate:
Thor is Thursday
Tiu is Tuesday
Woden is Wednesday (Oden)
Frija is Friday
though Saturn seems to have kept his Greek name,
a fairly typical trick of Loki.
Though the Latin traditions have preserved their Greek names too.
These terms are for symbolic reference.
The connection to the "occult" or paranormal cosmology of how these
emotions are so fundamental could be understood through Jung's archetypes.
So Mars is actually Saint Michael. They are both warriors who wear the red cape.
This may seem spurious until you realize that the symbol of the red cape
is also worn by Thor. And even Superman too!
Knowing that such symbols work, is a separate issue from HOW they work.
But they certainly have nothing to do with the failed paradigm of materialist biology.
That framework needs to be uprooted as widely and systematically as possible.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 26, 2022 16:15:01 GMT
The term "occult" is problematic and has a variety of meanings to many people. But Jung seems to have meant his categorizing of emotion in a fairly down to earth way. Its just that these emotions being primal had survived as the narrative of the planets purely because people recognized them as being useful ideas as points of reference, figuratively. We could just as easily look to the 5 symbols of the Norse tradition symbolized by the same 5 planets, but not in the same order: Thor, Tiu, Oden, Frija, Saturn these are where the names of the week originate: Thor is Thursday Tiu is Tuesday Woden is Wednesday (Oden) Frija is Friday though Saturn seems to have kept his Greek name, a fairly typical trick of Loki. Though the Latin traditions have preserved their Greek names too. These terms are for symbolic reference. The connection to the "occult" or paranormal cosmology of how these emotions are so fundamental could be understood through Jung's archetypes. So Mars is actually Saint Michael. They are both warriors who wear the red cape. This may seem spurious until you realize that the symbol of the red cape is also worn by Thor. And even Superman too! Knowing that such symbols work, is a separate issue from HOW they work. But they certainly have nothing to do with the failed paradigm of materialist biology. That framework needs to be uprooted as widely and systematically as possible. This is fascinating indeed! I've heard something about that. I used to be a fan of PC game called Silent Hill, and a couple of years ago I found a site where one shaman or a sorcerer (I don't know for sure) explained some occult stuff behind this game. To read about the occult use to be boring, but by the analysis of the game this occult/magic stuff can be watched in a very pleasure way. Here is the one: I think that to lear the occult using Silent Hill (or other games, franchises, culture) behind is super! I propose you to do it about your physics! I know that it sounds funny, however, Karl Jung - and Reinstall Paul, the author of that channel of the occult - is also a fan of Karl Jung, and he's been using his constantly in his series of videos. Thank you very much, Jonathan for your attention and support! |
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