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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 29, 2021 11:53:00 GMT
To explain why is it incomplete, let I bring the example of a dialogue between three people: an atheist and two believers.
Believer #1: "...God..." Believer #2: (response to him) "...God..." Atheist: "How do you believer #1 knows what believer #2 mentions about God? You don't know what r u talkin' about". Believer #1: "Hey, mister, what do you want about why do you think you know which God we've been mentioning?" Atheist: "Well... I... Don't load me with this. I know y'all talkn' bout the same. You talking that God this, God that and that He can do anything, and so on. So, stop loading me with this" Believer #2: "Okay, relax. My friend wanted to say that you come to us, ask us, yet respond on your own questions. You do not know about what we are talking. So, how can you point us out about what and how should we talk?" Atheist: "Hey, hey, hey, no need this. I know you, always the same. You talking about God, and you take Him as a special and unique deity" Believer #1: "Yes, it's close" Atheist: "So, maybe you tell me about what r u talking about then?"
And any atheists repeat merely the same. If they reject gods (as they say), then how can they perform it without any logical inconsistency? I mean that an atheist is the one who doesn't believe, that's why atheists' image of God is empty as well any conceptions. If an atheist knew a concept of God, and he knew it for real, how could he reject God? (Must say, that the same may turn to believers.)
So, briefly, there are few semantic concepts of God, lets say one better, than another
a) 98%; b) 99%; c) 99,9%; d) 99,99%...
There's also can be some limits which is required for us to know God, let's say:
e) 97% is enough; f) 98,1% is enough; g) 99,9% is enough; h) 99,9999999% is enough...
Taking, for example a combination of (a&e) we've got a set of those who knows (has) a concept of God, and this knowledge is enough to know God. However, all our combinations could left as they are, because we don't know where's enough, and how good do we know God. All what we can be 100% sure is that:
T) (Only God Himself know Himself 100%) & (Nobody knows God on 100%)
So, where an atheist fails. The atheist wants to say that he knows God good enough to claim that there is no God. So, his claim as well incomplete as those abcd/efgh combinations as well.
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Post by joustos on Oct 26, 2021 19:00:15 GMT
To explain why is it incomplete, let I bring the example of a dialogue between three people: an atheist and two believers. Believer #1: "...God..." Believer #2: (response to him) "...God..." Atheist: "How do you believer #1 knows what believer #2 mentions about God? You don't know what r u talkin' about". Believer #1: "Hey, mister, what do you want about why do you think you know which God we've been mentioning?" Atheist: "Well... I... Don't load me with this. I know y'all talkn' bout the same. You talking that God this, God that and that He can do anything, and so on. So, stop loading me with this" Believer #2: "Okay, relax. My friend wanted to say that you come to us, ask us, yet respond on your own questions. You do not know about what we are talking. So, how can you point us out about what and how should we talk?" Atheist: "Hey, hey, hey, no need this. I know you, always the same. You talking about God, and you take Him as a special and unique deity" Believer #1: "Yes, it's close" Atheist: "So, maybe you tell me about what r u talking about then?" And any atheists repeat merely the same. If they reject gods (as they say), then how can they perform it without any logical inconsistency? I mean that an atheist is the one who doesn't believe, that's why atheists' image of God is empty as well any conceptions. If an atheist knew a concept of God, and he knew it for real, how could he reject God? (Must say, that the same may turn to believers.) So, briefly, there are few semantic concepts of God, lets say one better, than another a) 98%; b) 99%; c) 99,9%; d) 99,99%...There's also can be some limits which is required for us to know God, let's say: e) 97% is enough; f) 98,1% is enough; g) 99,9% is enough; h) 99,9999999% is enough... Taking, for example a combination of (a&e) we've got a set of those who knows (has) a concept of God, and this knowledge is enough to know God. However, all our combinations could left as they are, because we don't know where's enough, and how good do we know God. All what we can be 100% sure is that: T) (Only God Himself know Himself 100%) & (Nobody knows God on 100%)So, where an atheist fails. The atheist wants to say that he knows God good enough to claim that there is no God. So, his claim as well incomplete as those abcd/efgh combinations as well.No, No; an atheist claims or argues that what some people mean by "god" , or what he defines as "God", does not really exist. Furthermore, some atheists may admit that, in order to explain some facts about the world , or persons, there must be a god, but he does not thereby know that there is a god and, therefore, he does not believe that there is a god or that the gods of historical religions exist. As a matter of fact, many valid arguments have been made that the gods of religions are fictitious.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 27, 2021 15:32:48 GMT
To explain why is it incomplete, let I bring the example of a dialogue between three people: an atheist and two believers. Believer #1: "...God..." Believer #2: (response to him) "...God..." Atheist: "How do you believer #1 knows what believer #2 mentions about God? You don't know what r u talkin' about". Believer #1: "Hey, mister, what do you want about why do you think you know which God we've been mentioning?" Atheist: "Well... I... Don't load me with this. I know y'all talkn' bout the same. You talking that God this, God that and that He can do anything, and so on. So, stop loading me with this" Believer #2: "Okay, relax. My friend wanted to say that you come to us, ask us, yet respond on your own questions. You do not know about what we are talking. So, how can you point us out about what and how should we talk?" Atheist: "Hey, hey, hey, no need this. I know you, always the same. You talking about God, and you take Him as a special and unique deity" Believer #1: "Yes, it's close" Atheist: "So, maybe you tell me about what r u talking about then?" And any atheists repeat merely the same. If they reject gods (as they say), then how can they perform it without any logical inconsistency? I mean that an atheist is the one who doesn't believe, that's why atheists' image of God is empty as well any conceptions. If an atheist knew a concept of God, and he knew it for real, how could he reject God? (Must say, that the same may turn to believers.) So, briefly, there are few semantic concepts of God, lets say one better, than another a) 98%; b) 99%; c) 99,9%; d) 99,99%...There's also can be some limits which is required for us to know God, let's say: e) 97% is enough; f) 98,1% is enough; g) 99,9% is enough; h) 99,9999999% is enough... Taking, for example a combination of (a&e) we've got a set of those who knows (has) a concept of God, and this knowledge is enough to know God. However, all our combinations could left as they are, because we don't know where's enough, and how good do we know God. All what we can be 100% sure is that: T) (Only God Himself know Himself 100%) & (Nobody knows God on 100%)So, where an atheist fails. The atheist wants to say that he knows God good enough to claim that there is no God. So, his claim as well incomplete as those abcd/efgh combinations as well.No, No; an atheist claims or argues that what some people mean by "god" , or what he defines as "God", does not really exist. Furthermore, some atheists may admit that, in order to explain some facts about the world , or persons, there must be a god, but he does not thereby know that there is a god and, therefore, he does not believe that there is a god or that the gods of historical religions exist. As a matter of fact, many valid arguments have been made that the gods of religions are fictitious. I'd say there's no atheists who believes in miracles. I believe, therefore I cannot be an atheist. Non-supernatural gods are not god at all. Any of such are oxymoron, or contradictions in definition.
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