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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 15, 2021 15:05:54 GMT
I don't understand, why believing in the multicolored deities the atheists are considered to confess the sane views, while 'believing in God by the theists' are being criticized as more or less insane view?
I guess that believing in God is even more sane view, just take a look: a human is more developed and well-organized specie all over the universe (we haven't had any contacts or interactions with more advanced species); so taking a human as the more advanced creature (many atheists and the other people, like the philosophers, did it earlier) has to be more obvious choice, comparing a human with the other deities all over the world (or the universe).
Anyway, even if the universe itself seems to be alone and even driven by casual forces with no real cause, so what? - Does it need to be connected with a view that the universe has been never developed by anyone? Our own theories (dozens of billions of them) are more strictly the evidence that the universe is possible to be created.
So, I see no reason to consider atheist as something to be sane. No, I guess the atheist is even much more insane view. And therefore, I think it wouldn't be unnecessary to provide some laws to prohibit atheism. The atheism is a dangerous self-destruction view; most of our daily problems are the result of the atheism.
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Post by Triangle on May 15, 2021 15:10:10 GMT
Everyone have the right to choice any kind of religious of irreligous belief, if he do not harm anyone.
So, being a sincere atheist have some kind of problem? To have no proof, no insight of God? Some people do not have the capacity for the religious experience.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 15, 2021 15:24:28 GMT
Everyone have the right to choice any kind of religious of irreligous belief, if he do not harm anyone. So, being a sincere atheist have some kind of problem? To have no proof, no insight of God? Some people do not have the capacity for the religious experience. Well, maybe. I guess there are the militant atheism, but it doesn't mean that all the atheists are militant. Anyway, theistic views are much more healthy. If an atheist doesn't feel any religious feeling, how can that atheist considers that he's surrounded by alive human being (not by atoms or multicolored balloons)?
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Post by Triangle on May 15, 2021 15:31:48 GMT
Well, do you agree that is pointless to combat a militant by arguing? Only by attacking his main view we can show that he is wrong to profess what he profess? We need a method, not words.
You can convert people by arguing, but not fight a harsh fight against people who don't wanna listen to us, only give us problems to solve and lose time with the essential.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 15, 2021 15:43:40 GMT
Well, do you agree that is pointless to combat a militant by arguing? Only by attacking his main view we can show that he is wrong to profess what he profess? We need a method, not words. You can convert people by arguing, but not fight a harsh fight against people who don't wanna listen to us, only give us problems to solve and lose time with the essential. I'll repeat: how an atheist is able to consider a human being to be a human being, and at the same time he doesn't have any "extra space" in his soul to not believe in anything, except for variegated balloons? I think atheist have much more abilities to believe. And I don't see it reasonable to tell me about to fight with the atheists. Nobody said it. There was said that the atheism could be dangerous.
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Post by Triangle on May 15, 2021 15:46:17 GMT
Well, do you agree that is pointless to combat a militant by arguing? Only by attacking his main view we can show that he is wrong to profess what he profess? We need a method, not words. You can convert people by arguing, but not fight a harsh fight against people who don't wanna listen to us, only give us problems to solve and lose time with the essential. I'll repeat: how an atheist is able to consider a human being to be a human being, and at the same time he doesn't have any "extra space" in his soul to not believe in anything, except for variegated balloons? I think atheist have much more abilities to believe. And I don't see it reasonable to tell me about to fight with the atheists. Nobody said it. There was said that the atheism could be dangerous. The question is: what kind of God atheists are considering and what kind of God theists are workshipping? It's the same God? It's the same entity?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 15, 2021 15:59:36 GMT
I'll repeat: how an atheist is able to consider a human being to be a human being, and at the same time he doesn't have any "extra space" in his soul to not believe in anything, except for variegated balloons? I think atheist have much more abilities to believe. And I don't see it reasonable to tell me about to fight with the atheists. Nobody said it. There was said that the atheism could be dangerous. The question is: what kind of God atheists are considering and what kind of God theists are workshipping? It's the same God? It's the same entity? I think there is a major difference. I can't say this is "One and the same God". Firstly, the Scriptures say about it as "I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over me" (John 14:30) and so on. Secondly, that the style of worshipping - I mean the moral behaviour and moral principles that a person aims - has great benefits, and can show to whom a person is worshipping.
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Post by Triangle on May 15, 2021 16:02:27 GMT
The question is: what kind of God atheists are considering and what kind of God theists are workshipping? It's the same God? It's the same entity? I think there is a major difference. I can't say this is "One and the same God". Firstly, the Scriptures say about it as "I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over me" (John 14:30) and so on. Secondly, that the style of worshipping - I mean the moral behaviour and moral principles that a person aims - has great benefits, and can show to whom a person is worshipping. Perfect.
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Post by Triangle on May 15, 2021 16:02:52 GMT
So, what you conclude?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 15, 2021 16:05:47 GMT
Well, I don't know yet. I mean for me it's early to make some firm conclusions. But the question of yours that I have to do it - yeah, I think I thank you for this question. It's a good one.
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Post by Triangle on May 15, 2021 16:10:10 GMT
The syllogism is the basis of dialectics, the art of, in a conversation, conclude certain things on a fundamental and firm ground.
If you don1t have the word, but have the idea, make a analogy, as Aristotle does.
Logic turns clear language, and dialects conclude the premisses.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 15, 2021 19:03:26 GMT
The syllogism is the basis of dialectics, the art of, in a conversation, conclude certain things on a fundamental and firm ground. If you don1t have the word, but have the idea, make a analogy, as Aristotle does. Logic turns clear language, and dialects conclude the premisses. Yeah, thanks for the tips. I guess they might be useful.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 24, 2021 3:28:50 GMT
There are also religious people who are not so sane. They do all kinds of weird rituals and sacrifices because they think their "god" wants it. As long as people watch their boundaries in their beliefs then they're sane enough even if they have a wrong belief. The moment they go into your bubble like they own it is definitely insane.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on May 24, 2021 11:21:37 GMT
There are also religious people who are not so sane. They do all kinds of weird rituals and sacrifices because they think their "god" wants it. As long as people watch their boundaries in their beliefs then they're sane enough even if they have a wrong belief. The moment they go into your bubble like they own it is definitely insane. Yes, I do agree. And at the same time I guess that uf those people can't control themselves, God is to care about them. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. (John 15:19) It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. (Mark 2:17)
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Post by jonbain on Jul 15, 2021 14:05:40 GMT
I don't understand, why believing in the multicolored deities the atheists are considered to confess the sane views, while 'believing in God by the theists' are being criticized as more or less insane view? I guess that believing in God is even more sane view, just take a a human is more developed and well-organized specie all over the universe (we haven't had any contacts or interactions with more advanced species); so taking a human as the more advanced creature (many atheists and the other people, like the philosophers, did it earlier) has to be more obvious choice, comparing a human with the other deities all over the world (or the universe). Anyway, even if the universe itself seems to be alone and even driven by casual forces with no real cause, so what? - Does it need to be connected with a view that the universe has been never developed by anyone? Our own theories (dozens of billions of them) are more strictly the evidence that the universe is possible to be created. So, I see no reason to consider atheist as something to be sane. No, I guess the atheist is even much more insane view. And therefore, I think it wouldn't be unnecessary to provide some laws to prohibit atheism. The atheism is a dangerous self-destruction view; most of our daily problems are the result of the atheism. The problem here is that there are more than 2 categories, simply because many people falsely claim to believe in God, and then stab you in the back when you let your guard down. One way to stop this is to counter it by the pretense of atheism. Thus the false-believer, will confess to being an atheist when in conversation with the false atheist! (who is actually a Theist in disguise). So laws prohibiting atheism actually cause atheism. And the freedom to be an atheist helps people towards God.
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