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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 16, 2020 18:09:15 GMT
I think I can understand Buddha. When he firstly had encountered with facts of suffering he got it. He could feel all that pain that mankind bore inside.
It's always better to live without pain & sorrow. But it's so hard to find such a life. Any life is filled up with pain & sorrow.
Buddha tried to find eight-hand route to release from pain & sorrow, but he failed. There is no way out. No accepting, not playing with it won't help to escape pain & sorrow. We're doomed.
Buddha became being Buddha when we got enlighten by those meeting with pain & sorrow. Without pain & sorrow there were no Buddha.
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Post by ajay0 on Nov 17, 2020 9:27:02 GMT
The state of enlightenment or Buddhahood exists. I have met enlightened people who were in a state of constant bliss and peace without depending on intoxicants or alcohol or other external devices . Buddhahood is within you and every human being. I consider Jesus to be an enlightened master as well .
This phenomenon of enlightenment has not been properly understood by western psychology yet, though they are now endorsing the practices of meditation and mindfulness as part of therapy. Buddha stated that strong desires are the cause of suffering. Anyone can see for themselves the logic of this teaching. Any psychological suffering we may have stems from an unfulfilled desire or craving. We can have goals for progressing, but not cravings as they tend to make the mind feverish, unfocussed during work, and depressed upon not getting the craved result. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 17, 2020 11:47:51 GMT
The state of enlightenment or Buddhahood exists. I have met enlightened people who were in a state of constant bliss and peace without depending on intoxicants or alcohol or other external devices . Buddhahood is within you and every human being. I consider Jesus to be an enlightened master as well .
This phenomenon of enlightenment has not been properly understood by western psychology yet, though they are now endorsing the practices of meditation and mindfulness as part of therapy. Buddha stated that strong desires are the cause of suffering. Anyone can see for themselves the logic of this teaching. Any psychological suffering we may have stems from an unfulfilled desire or craving. We can have goals for progressing, but not cravings as they tend to make the mind feverish, unfocussed during work, and depressed upon not getting the craved result. I can agree, but without pain & sorrow there's no Buddha. Why pain & sorrow are so important to cause either Buddhahood or kinda to appear? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 16:08:43 GMT
Pain exist, but suffering, is only psychological.
I don't think that Buddha wants to ends suffering, but pain itself.
Now Buddhism talks about world peace. It's a sign of a very buddhist truth.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 17, 2020 18:29:47 GMT
Pain exist, but suffering, is only psychological. I don't think that Buddha wants to ends suffering, but pain itself. Now Buddhism talks about world peace. It's a sign of a very buddhist truth. It is a notable argument. Actually, I didn't get all the terms too precisely, but I think I had to. By pain&suffering I understood any kind of pain or suffering. I mean that if x is a kind of pain or suffering, then x is what causes Buddha to exist. In heaven everything is fine, so there's no need to Buddha. Oppositely, if there's something difficult or hard for life, then there might be need of Buddha. I've found an article, and it says that suffering, not pain can be cured by meditation. Here's the link: link |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 21:00:55 GMT
Agree. But have you see the film Lawrence of Arabia? In the beginning, he puts his hand on a candle and do not cause pain to him.
I believe is true, Lawrence had did that.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 17, 2020 21:17:54 GMT
Agree. But have you see the film Lawrence of Arabia? In the beginning, he puts his hand on a candle and do not cause pain to him. I believe is true, Lawrence had did that. Oh, it's very interesting. No, I haven't seen. Thank you for advising this film. I guess this moment - about not causing anything harmful to his body - is very representative. It precisely shows some important things which Buddhism is providing us. I guess that to understand and to be able to perform (=to realize the comprehended principles) that our deities can be easily separated, because the deities are the creations, so if we really can do it - it can happen. You know, there's an interesting logical puzzle I've read in one of Raymond Smullyan's books. I don't remember it exactly (I need to reread it if I find the right one book), but tt says something like this: "Assumed that a teapot has been on a stove for a long time. And, there's a claim: the teapot isn't boiling, until you will watch it (boiling)". So, there's no chance to disprove this - that a teapot isn't boiling, because each time we'll check the teapot... Because I've lost the fine interpretation, I guess the main sense must be this - some things are what how do we see them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 22:43:39 GMT
logical puzzles are amusing. Like a lot but have solved no one, haha.
Only chess problems, and the more simple ones.
Ok, I perceive what is wrong. But pain based on heat and cold can be mindly ignored. And cutting, also. People that don't feel pain in cirurgical processes.
Pain can be mindly ignored, if you have the correct training.
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Post by johnbc on Nov 24, 2020 2:39:07 GMT
Buddhism is merely passive and reactive on the character of its ethics: it emphasize patience, resistance, abstinence, and less active sacrifice and struggle for the good. The buddhist virtues would, in short, be “feminine” exclusively, without the manly mark of the Christ-King. A true salvation, to exist, would have to inject some histamine in the tired old Buddha...
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Post by ajay0 on Dec 28, 2020 8:22:14 GMT
Buddhism is merely passive and reactive on the character of its ethics: it emphasize patience, resistance, abstinence, and less active sacrifice and struggle for the good. The buddhist virtues would, in short, be “feminine” exclusively, without the manly mark of the Christ-King. A true salvation, to exist, would have to inject some histamine in the tired old Buddha...
I found this funny. Buddha is charecterised as feminine, while Jesus Christ is masculine and manly due to his being a King even though both espoused nonviolence, renunciation, compassion, forgiveness and patience in adversity ! 
If this is the case, everyone will opt to be buddhist, because everyone, including grown macho men, love their feminine mothers much more than masculine daddies. 
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 12, 2021 20:01:32 GMT
Buddhism is merely passive and reactive on the character of its ethics: it emphasize patience, resistance, abstinence, and less active sacrifice and struggle for the good. The buddhist virtues would, in short, be “feminine” exclusively, without the manly mark of the Christ-King. A true salvation, to exist, would have to inject some histamine in the tired old Buddha...
I found this funny. Buddha is charecterised as feminine, while Jesus Christ is masculine and manly due to his being a King even though both espoused nonviolence, renunciation, compassion, forgiveness and patience in adversity ! :)
If this is the case, everyone will opt to be buddhist, because everyone, including grown macho men, love their feminine mothers much more than masculine daddies. laughy
Well, you know, it's not like that. At least not in many representations. Actually, two main counterexamples: women in Christianity started to play more major role, i.e. emancipation touched them too; and the second one can be found in cultural influences. Two writers Nikos Kazantzakis who put Christ to some of his narratives made him be less masculine, and Michael Bulgakov who also made him less masculine. Also, the reaction of Jewish people to Jesus - as mostly negative, because Jews had been expecting the warrior, a man like Alexander the Great or Atilla. Buddhism is above of all it, it's more clear and more clean. It goes through the purest areas of the thinest air and the keenest vibrations of the universal anti-universality... well, I guess so... |
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