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Post by johnbc on Oct 12, 2020 6:33:22 GMT
I have always found it curious — to say the least — that so many people created opinions about Christianity without ever having the curiosity to ascertain the essential element of this religion: miracles. In other religions the miraculous events may only be posterior additions which are given a validating value, but Christianity begins with a miracle, the virgin birth of Christ, culminates in another miracle, the resurrection, and continues from miracle to miracle today. When we speak of “Christian revelation”, what is meant correctly by this is not the text of the Gospel, but the facts it reports: life, passion, death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ, that is, a sequence of miracles. Sto. Thomas teaches that we speak through words, but God speaks through words and facts. The facts of the Gospel revealed to the world what the text later recorded. You may not believe any of these facts, but you cannot deny that they, and not its later narrative, much less the conclusions that theologians, popes and councils have been drawing from them over the centuries, constitute the essence of Christian revelation. Therefore, there is no way to understand anything about Christianity without paying attention to miracles, on which the whole meaning of doctrine depends. You have no way of confirming or denying the truth of evangelical miracles, but Jesus promised that He would continue to work miracles through the centuries, and, strictly speaking, there are no facts of any other kind in the world that exist in such large numbers and that is so well documented, especially today. The lack of interest in getting to know them, on the part of people who nevertheless express their opinions about Christianity, reveals that these people prefer to know only the edges of the subject of which they speak, for fear of getting too close to the center and being singed.
Many, before having examined just one of these facts, already cling to the idea that one day they will all have a “scientific explanation” — it is understood: materialistic — and it will be proven that they were not miracles at all. Although this expectation has never been fulfilled in relation to any miracle confirmed by the Church, and although the promise of the devastating explanation has repeatedly postponed its fulfillment again and again in each specific case (recently it failed again to “explain” the Holy Shroud of Turin), the fact is that these people continue to trust the promise as if it were a test already carried out, complete and unanswerable. There can be nothing more irrational than this act of faith that takes as a proof a promise of proof and is renewed with every new failed attempt to carry it out. However, the people who practice it believe that, in doing this, they are tremendously scientific.
If I had any money, I would pay the luminaries of materialism to study, for as long as they wanted, the miracles of Father Pio, who knew in advance of the sins of others and events in distant lands, (for example he knew whether the son of an anguished mother had been killed in the war) and who healed a blind girl who had no pupils, or those reported by dr. Ricardo Castañon in his videos, who reports the event of a bleeding wafer and who, after taking it for examination by one of the best doctors in the United States, (who is an atheist, and does not know the origin of the sample) he strongly states that it belonged to a patient who died in pain and agony, that in his last moments of life he had difficulty breathing, and that this blood came from the heart, and then give us a “scientific explanation” of each one.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 12, 2020 8:18:44 GMT
I do agree that miracles must be viewed as more important than they are considered, however, there's something I can't be completely agree with the total importance of the miracles. Having two objections, I'll also provide and an apology to this.
A. Natural theology can be seen as the way which may lead those who hasn't believed yet to the truth. If scientists like Nico Copernicus who having discovered something important started to believe even more, might be taken as an example. Unfortunately many scientists are to recognize lack of God when they're doing researches, then to go the opposite way. So, miracles may be not the only one real reason to believe.
B. Some miracles may be devil signs. It's not easy to separate miracles (i.e. any unknown and unexplainable phenomena) from the devilish activities. The last ones are to capture their sacrifices and get their innocenct souls as from the plate. That's why the authority and where's booklore might help. A versed person who's had no miracle experience before, perhaps, will handle it better.
C. Also, there's one reason to trust experience of miracles by innocent or untutored persons. It's in their hearts. So, as you said, this feeling of miracle is probably the most crystally clear feeling of divine.
Even some pre-Christian people would have been considered as good and decent persons by Pope or the Church, such people as vestals, and also Socrates, and Hermesus the Trismegistus (and some others). But why? Because they have the experience and they live their lives in God or the Laws. Socrates said he was possessed by a demon (dialogue "Theag"), however that demon was rather angel than evil spirit.
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Post by johnbc on Oct 12, 2020 16:22:41 GMT
Seeing Jesus with the eyes of the flesh, especially seeing Him working miracles, It is very high spiritual knowledge. Many received it, but not all accepted it. Faith, sometimes, is not just knowing something you haven't seen yet. It is staying true to something that you have seen and that everything around you induces you to deny.
Jesus said: "by their fruits you shall know them", so the discernment of spirits is very simple; is it good, and led to God? If so, then it came from him. The miracle of the battle of Lepanto led the Christians to victory over the Muslim horde, saving Western civilization, the miracle of Fatima took the three children who were witnesses to become nuns, thousands were converted and healed, etc. The very fact of the bleeding host leads people to have faith in the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ. How is it possible to conceive that this was all set up by the devil? If so, fire him then, that he is very incompetent in doing his work...
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 12, 2020 18:12:18 GMT
Seeing Jesus with the eyes of the flesh, especially seeing Him working miracles, It is very high spiritual knowledge. Many received it, but not all accepted it. Faith, sometimes, is not just knowing something you haven't seen yet. It is staying true to something that you have seen and that everything around you induces you to deny. Jesus said: "by their fruits you shall know them", so the discernment of spirits is very simple; is it good, and led to God? If so, then it came from him. The miracle of the battle of Lepanto led the Christians to victory over the Muslim horde, saving Western civilization, the miracle of Fatima took the three children who were witnesses to become nuns, thousands were converted and healed, etc. The very fact of the bleeding host leads people to have faith in the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ. How is it possible to conceive that this was all set up by the devil? If so, fire him then, that he is very incompetent in doing his work... Ok, one has to accept it, not just take it as a hamburger from the plate, right? Surely, some practices are needed. Btw I said it when I was talking about pre-Christians as vestals. "By their fruits you shalt know them" - I presume was rather said about Pharisee and false Prophets in the future (false Christs). Those demons in human flesh who dared to claim heresy against Christ - I'm talking about those satanists in late 60's, about Alister Crowley, Blawatska, and many others who dared to say something against the Truth! The Lord said "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword!" and He also said: “For all who draw the sword [against the Lord] will die by the sword". I think that add I put in squared brackets is sufficient. God brand the sword to punish sinners! You're asking: "How is it possible to conceive that this was all set up by the devil?". Yes, it could be, unfortunately it could be. Not this case, I was not gonna talk about exactly this miracle (I wonder why did this thought visited you mind?). I was talking about a miracle, not the miracle.
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