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Post by oluwamayokun on Nov 7, 2017 6:18:32 GMT
Does Satan really exit? How did God and Satan come into existence
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:49:27 GMT
Well, I think gods, stans, aesir, vanir, and other such terms are mostly references.
The pre bible and democratic societies were largely warrior, and people used to protect their tribes, enslave others. That's how the racial classification came into existence.
In such scenarios, there used to be certain head or master, these were labelled as gods. The war head of other tribe would give him the status of devil, because he attacking his kingdom or his people.
We lost all this knowledge ,though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:50:27 GMT
In fact, the gods are more brutal, and would do anything to achieve their victory. It is only when they become victorious, they are labelled as lords, or gods etc. There never has been any yahweh type of gods, epsecially in indo european history. This has come from middle east.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:53:26 GMT
Those war tribes label each other based on their features, such tall, giants, or some eye, light skin color etc, or some of their food habits. The ultimate goal was to enslave each other. That's how races came into existence.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 13, 2017 10:53:42 GMT
Of course it is. If I say love me or you will suffer for eternity...that is blackmail. If he said please love me because of the beauty of my creation. Then that is a choice...You could be as free as you wish to make whatever choices you want, because you want too. Not because you will be punished if you do not. No, He doesn't say "love me" but "please love me because I love you and created you". And He doesn't want anyone punished. He is very grieved actually if anyone goes astray from the safe path basically.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:55:57 GMT
Of course it is. If I say love me or you will suffer for eternity...that is blackmail. If he said please love me because of the beauty of my creation. Then that is a choice...You could be as free as you wish to make whatever choices you want, because you want too. Not because you will be punished if you do not. No, He doesn't say "love me" but "please love me because I love you and created you". And He doesn't want anyone punished. He is very grieved actually if anyone goes astray from the safe path basically. Elizabeth, ewok is correct. This so called written love is sort of blackmail. In India, you have such things.
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Post by ewok on Nov 13, 2017 10:59:36 GMT
Thank you lamburk.
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Post by mothman on Nov 15, 2017 3:00:56 GMT
I'd say they're as real as fairies.But hey,that's just me :v
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 15, 2017 3:04:48 GMT
I'd say they're as real as fairies.But hey,that's just me :v Atheist? If so, you'd be great for the religion section here
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Post by mothman on Nov 15, 2017 20:08:08 GMT
I'd say they're as real as fairies.But hey,that's just me :v Atheist? If so, you'd be great for the religion section here Thanks for the welcoming and support.I prefer the term skeptic.Although atheist'd be factualy correct
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 15, 2017 20:19:57 GMT
Atheist? If so, you'd be great for the religion section here Thanks for the welcoming and support.I prefer the term skeptic.Although atheist'd be factualy correct Then bring some skepticism
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Post by mothman on Nov 16, 2017 1:50:00 GMT
Thanks for the welcoming and support.I prefer the term skeptic.Although atheist'd be factualy correct Then bring some skepticism I'll try.
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Post by nchsh on Nov 16, 2017 16:10:42 GMT
Neither God nor Satan exist outside of our own imaginations. The concept of God was created to provide answers to questions that were unanswerable at the time of its invention. As our knowledge of the world increases, our belief in a deity decreases, since supernatural explanations become less and less necessary to explain our observations. As we have absolutely zero evidence for the existence of a God, and all religious concepts of God are either self-contradictory or logically impossible (for example, the question of whether God can create a rock too heavy for even it to lift eliminates the possibility of the existence of ANY omnipotent being, since the question creates an unsolvable paradox), there seems to be no reason to entertain the existence of such a being.
Satan was a concept created by the early Hebrews, which has little to no resemblance to the current Christian idea of Satan. In Hebrew mythology, Satan (who's name is derived from the term for "adversary") was basically God's prosecuting attorney. He was not a fallen angel, no the enemy of God, nor the origin of Evil (that's God: Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”). The Christian idea of Satan seems to be a fusion of various character from both Hebrew and non-Hebrew sources. The concept seems to be a combination of Ha Nahash (The Serpent) in the Garden of Eden, Lucifer (the minor Roman god who's chariot pulled the Sun), was included because of a biblical mistranslation (The text in Isaiah 14:12 in King James states: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!", while a far more accurate translation is: "How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" "Morning Star" or more accurately "Star of Morning" refers to a Babylonian king, and has nothing to do with a Roman god, who was then idiotically paired with the concept of a fallen angel rebelling against God. Later, in Revelation, the concept is further expanded with the introduction of the Beast with seven heads. Biblically, none of these concepts have any actual relation to each other. Many (but not all religions) have a concept that could be loosely related to the Western concept of Satan, but nothing close to universal. Basically, again, there's no reason to propose the existence of such a being, since it has no support in either evidence or necessity.
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