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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2019 6:32:54 GMT
Something has been on my mind today. Don't most people (men and women) wear their own form of a hijab today? They may just call it differently but in reality it's basically a gown/dress. Take a look what I mean... A woman in a hijab. A nun in her clothing. A monk in his clothing. A pope in his clothing. A priest in his clothing. An Indian man dressed in a dress for his wedding. People in dresses/gowns from the past. That completes our show of men and women in dresses/gowns. So like I noticed that since the past the men and women both wore dresses/gowns. And some have carried it over to today when we now have more masculine and feminine clothing. So why are some still living in old times and even carried it into religion when it was just an old way to dress when we didn't fully have gender clothes? A muslim woman is no different than a catholic nun or their male versions the priests, pops, and monks. I even dress like them when I'm out of the shower and in my robe with my hair in a towel. And men still today wear dresses/skirts temporarily when out of a shower with a towel on. My point is how are we really all that different? In dress? Maybe some are but still not always different in dress. Some still like the old times of dresses/gowns which is fine for women but not men these days with clothing standards in place. But don't put a woman in a dress/gown only anymore because we have girl pants too. And those claming that pants are for men then I have some cute flowerly pants for you to wear. I wish I still had my bright leather purple butterfly pants to give you too. Pants are like jackets or hats or gloves or shoes or whatever which both genders can wear. Anyone have anything to say? I'll go find my girliest pants to donate to men now...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 9:08:11 GMT
covering of veil by femles has nothing to do with islam. girls and females of noble and elite classes were not supposed to show their faces anyone except their husbands so the tradition.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 12, 2019 12:49:27 GMT
Some kinda fashion. Our dresses are strange too. Western world is just a contemporary standard. It will be change over a time. I think this process has some variation, but as almost it's constant. Summary, there's no strange in this or that clothes. All the clothes are equally. The most cool clothe, especially for young women, is their own undercover natural bodies
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 12, 2019 15:01:22 GMT
Not really. Islamic veil and Hijab are based on Quran verses, Hadith, and Sharia. Comparing traditional/folk stuff like wearing scarfs or hats with Islamic hijab is irrelevant.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2019 15:19:18 GMT
Not really. Islamic veil and Hijab are based on Quran verses, Hadith, and Sharia. Comparing traditional/folk stuff like wearing scarfs or hats with Islamic hijab is irrelevant. But isn't that how people basically dressed back then? Then when Quran was written it was put it in there as the way to dress to keep it protected always? Ukrainians have hystinas for women which is like a hat/scarf for the head. Everyone in my family abandoned it except grandparents basically. As I see it it's an odd old style of a hat for woman and many have abandoned it overall. Hair coverings look more and more like a normal hat or cap now. Books written in certain times mention the things around it. Like bible mentions people buried in a tomb rather than in the ground and mentions death penalties on the cross while today death penalties are done differently. The books reflect time periods.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 12, 2019 15:37:17 GMT
Not really. Islamic veil and Hijab are based on Quran verses, Hadith, and Sharia. Comparing traditional/folk stuff like wearing scarfs or hats with Islamic hijab is irrelevant. But isn't that how people basically dressed back then? Then when Quran was written it was put it in there as the way to dress to keep it protected always? Ukrainians have hystinas for women which is like a hat/scarf for the head. Everyone in my family abandoned it except grandparents basically. As I see it it's an odd old style of a hat for woman and many have abandoned it overall. Hair coverings look more and more like a normal hat or cap now. Books written in certain times mention the things around it. Like bible mentions people buried in a tomb rather than in the ground and mentions death penalties on the cross while today death penalties are done differently. The books reflect time periods. Are Ukrainian stuff based on folk/ethnic culture or religion?
Hijab was/is alien to many cultures and Islam brought it to them. It's compulsory and forced (however some Muslims say it's optional).
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2019 15:41:15 GMT
But isn't that how people basically dressed back then? Then when Quran was written it was put it in there as the way to dress to keep it protected always? Ukrainians have hystinas for women which is like a hat/scarf for the head. Everyone in my family abandoned it except grandparents basically. As I see it it's an odd old style of a hat for woman and many have abandoned it overall. Hair coverings look more and more like a normal hat or cap now. Books written in certain times mention the things around it. Like bible mentions people buried in a tomb rather than in the ground and mentions death penalties on the cross while today death penalties are done differently. The books reflect time periods. Are Ukrainian stuff based on folk/ethnic culture or religion? Hijab was/is alien to many cultures and Islam brought it to them. It's compulsory and forced (however some Muslims say it's optional). Ethnic I'd say. I only wore it in Ukraine during cold times as a hat for warmth. Orthodoxy makes a big deal over it for women which is silly. Men need something like that so we can see how they feel.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 12, 2019 15:55:55 GMT
Are Ukrainian stuff based on folk/ethnic culture or religion? Hijab was/is alien to many cultures and Islam brought it to them. It's compulsory and forced (however some Muslims say it's optional). Ethnic I'd say. I only wore it in Ukraine during cold times as a hat for warmth. Orthodoxy makes a big deal over it for women which is silly. Men need something like that so we can see how they feel. As I said before, I'm OK with harmless religious/ethnic stuff if people keep them personal. I don't care if someone likes to wear a sack and thinks wearing that sack will take them to somewhere called heaven. But if a person tries to push their religious stuff by force and tries to make all people believing in it, that would be a serious problem.
Even in aspect of beauty, fashion, and style; Hijab is ugly as hell. Compare Hijab with traditional scarfs (e.g. African). When I see an image of African woman with a colorful dress and traditional scarf, I see beauty but when I see most Muslim women, I see terror, oppression, misogyny, misery, and many other bad things.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2019 18:14:55 GMT
Ethnic I'd say. I only wore it in Ukraine during cold times as a hat for warmth. Orthodoxy makes a big deal over it for women which is silly. Men need something like that so we can see how they feel. As I said before, I'm OK with harmless religious/ethnic stuff if people keep them personal. I don't care if someone likes to wear a sack and thinks wearing that sack will take them to somewhere called heaven. But if a person tries to push their religious stuff by force and tries to make all people believing in it, that would be a serious problem. Even in aspect of beauty, fashion, and style; Hijab is ugly as hell. Compare Hijab with traditional scarfs (e.g. African). When I see an image of African woman with a colorful dress and traditional scarf, I see beauty but when I see most Muslim women, I see terror, oppression, misogyny, misery, and many other bad things.
Yeah I think it's ugly too and the Ukrainian thingy. And no one told me I had to wear such things except for rare times when it was people from a religion that requires it. And I'm always like I'm not part of your beliefs so don't act like I am.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Feb 12, 2019 18:26:07 GMT
covering of veil by femles has nothing to do with islam. girls and females of noble and elite classes were not supposed to show their faces anyone except their husbands so the tradition. Yeah, the veiling of women is not limited to Islamic tradition alone, but the majority of all cultures and religions at one time or another. Within Egyptian Mythology, Isis "The Great Mother" had a veil which could not be seen through or lifted except by a select few.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 12:08:28 GMT
covering of veil by femles has nothing to do with islam. girls and females of noble and elite classes were not supposed to show their faces anyone except their husbands so the tradition. Yeah, the veiling of women is not limited to Islamic tradition alone, but the majority of all cultures and religions at one time or another. Within Egyptian Mythology, Isis "The Great Mother" had a veil which could not be seen through or lifted except by a select few.
This comes from pagan culture.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 12:11:59 GMT
Not really. Islamic veil and Hijab are based on Quran verses, Hadith, and Sharia. Comparing traditional/folk stuff like wearing scarfs or hats with Islamic hijab is irrelevant.
I agree that it has become a norm of islamic culture. What I said is that, wearing veil was always a cultural practice, even before islam took the shape.
Now, in today's time, it is related with islam.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Feb 14, 2019 17:58:09 GMT
Yeah, the veiling of women is not limited to Islamic tradition alone, but the majority of all cultures and religions at one time or another. Within Egyptian Mythology, Isis "The Great Mother" had a veil which could not be seen through or lifted except by a select few.
This comes from pagan culture.
And monotheistic as well, if one is to look into Jewish tradition.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 14, 2019 22:55:19 GMT
Orthodoxy makes a big deal over it for women which is silly. Men need something like that so we can see how they feel. I'd say it's a little not like that. Orthodoxy didn't make an influence on fashion (any clothes), it was pagan's style that had influenced on fashion. The pagan's style took an origin from difference tribes and from different folks. Bogatyrs, for example, came from India's fashion. We can find them similar. The traces of roots led to the legendary Aryan's tribes.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 14, 2019 23:59:03 GMT
Orthodoxy makes a big deal over it for women which is silly. Men need something like that so we can see how they feel. I'd say it's a little not like that. Orthodoxy didn't make an influence on fashion (any clothes), it was pagan's style that had influenced on fashion. The pagan's style took an origin from difference tribes and from different folks. Bogatyrs, for example, came from India's fashion. We can find them similar. The traces of roots led to the legendary Aryan's tribes. So you're saying orthodoxy isn't influencing any clothes? So women do not have to wear this...?
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