Post by fschmidt on Oct 26, 2018 6:50:45 GMT
I have derailed Elizabeth's thread badly enough.
arktos.boards.net/thread/3598/greedy
So I will make a new thread to add some comments and respond to DKTrav88.
First of all, I am not actually greedy. My main motivation for screwing Americans out of money is because I hate them. But I would much rather kill them than rob them. Unfortunately that is not a practical option at the current time.
It totally supports it when dealing with evil morons outside of your community. There are so many examples, but I will just use Genesis.
Genesis 25:29-34 - Jacob screws his moronic brother out of his birthright.
Genesis 27 - Rebekah and Jacob conspire to lie to Isaac to get the blessing.
Genesis 34 - Jacob's sons lie to Hamor and then slaughter Hamor's family.
Genesis 38 - Tamar fools Judah to get what she wants.
Genesis 47:13-26 - Joseph enslaves the population of Egypt (because they were moronic scum).
Would you like me to continue to the other books?
This is kinda going off topic, but...
Where does it say it is okay to lie and cheat in that passage? Where is the support for it? Where is God's condoning of such behavior?
I'm seeing Esau give up his birthright because he had no faith in God: he put is temporary physical needs over his God-given birthright. A man of God does not do this. He didn't deserve the birthright to begin with if he was going to so easily give it up for a cup of soup.
Same with Rebekah and Jacob.. where does it support lying and cheating?
I see a story of a mother trying to protect her son by lying and Jacob lying to Isaac also, which is wrong to do according to the OT in many places(I'm sure you know that), but Rebekah wanted take the curse of telling Jacob to lie from Jacob upon herself, and Jacob was forced to live the life of a fugitive after he did what he did because his brother was going to kill him.
You might say something like "well God let it happen so that's what justifies it", but God let's many things happen, good and evil. It doesn't mean He condones of it. That would be silly to think especially if in the next book He is giving the Israelites commandments that say don't lie, not to mention all the other verses in the OT that say God hates liars.
I can say the same thing for the next story as well, where is the support for lying and cheating?
Jacob even told his sons what they did was wrong and ruined their reputation and that the surrounding countries would try to kill him, which is even a further curse for what he did from the beginning which was lie to his father.
Besides that, Hamor raped their sister and he was also holding her hostage.
There is no condoning by God for what they did anywhere before or after it happened.
And again with the next example, where is the condoning of such behavior? These are stories, not ways God commands you to live your life...
... and I'm
how you consider Joseph saving the lives of the Egyptians during a famine the same as enslaving them.
Genesis isn't a book of rules, it is a book of examples/archetypes. Jacob is clearly a hero, the founder of the Israelites. So him screwing over his moronic brother is implicitly condoned.
Rebekah and Jacob lying to Isaac is not wrong according to the Old Testament. It is wrong to lie to a member of your community, but this family was not yet a community, so no moral rules applied. In fact this is implicityl condoned just like the last example.
Jacob's concern about the slaughter of Hamor was just based on fear, not morality. Dinah was not held hostage. God never condemned this slaughter, so it was clearly approved.
Joseph did enslave the people of Egypt by acquiring all their land which forced them all to just work for Pharaoh.
I can continue in other books if you like, but why don't you provide counter-evidence?
Returning to the big picture, modern culture has become purely evil. It is no better than Sodom and Gomorrah or the Midianites that God had Israel slaughter in Numbers 25,31. Members of modern culture have absolutely no positive traits. They are pure evil and deserve extermination. I don't understand how any decent person wouldn't see this.
arktos.boards.net/thread/3598/greedy
So I will make a new thread to add some comments and respond to DKTrav88.
First of all, I am not actually greedy. My main motivation for screwing Americans out of money is because I hate them. But I would much rather kill them than rob them. Unfortunately that is not a practical option at the current time.
Genesis 25:29-34 - Jacob screws his moronic brother out of his birthright.
Genesis 27 - Rebekah and Jacob conspire to lie to Isaac to get the blessing.
Genesis 34 - Jacob's sons lie to Hamor and then slaughter Hamor's family.
Genesis 38 - Tamar fools Judah to get what she wants.
Genesis 47:13-26 - Joseph enslaves the population of Egypt (because they were moronic scum).
Would you like me to continue to the other books?
Where does it say it is okay to lie and cheat in that passage? Where is the support for it? Where is God's condoning of such behavior?
I'm seeing Esau give up his birthright because he had no faith in God: he put is temporary physical needs over his God-given birthright. A man of God does not do this. He didn't deserve the birthright to begin with if he was going to so easily give it up for a cup of soup.
Same with Rebekah and Jacob.. where does it support lying and cheating?
I see a story of a mother trying to protect her son by lying and Jacob lying to Isaac also, which is wrong to do according to the OT in many places(I'm sure you know that), but Rebekah wanted take the curse of telling Jacob to lie from Jacob upon herself, and Jacob was forced to live the life of a fugitive after he did what he did because his brother was going to kill him.
You might say something like "well God let it happen so that's what justifies it", but God let's many things happen, good and evil. It doesn't mean He condones of it. That would be silly to think especially if in the next book He is giving the Israelites commandments that say don't lie, not to mention all the other verses in the OT that say God hates liars.
I can say the same thing for the next story as well, where is the support for lying and cheating?
Jacob even told his sons what they did was wrong and ruined their reputation and that the surrounding countries would try to kill him, which is even a further curse for what he did from the beginning which was lie to his father.
Besides that, Hamor raped their sister and he was also holding her hostage.
There is no condoning by God for what they did anywhere before or after it happened.
And again with the next example, where is the condoning of such behavior? These are stories, not ways God commands you to live your life...
... and I'm
how you consider Joseph saving the lives of the Egyptians during a famine the same as enslaving them.Genesis isn't a book of rules, it is a book of examples/archetypes. Jacob is clearly a hero, the founder of the Israelites. So him screwing over his moronic brother is implicitly condoned.
Rebekah and Jacob lying to Isaac is not wrong according to the Old Testament. It is wrong to lie to a member of your community, but this family was not yet a community, so no moral rules applied. In fact this is implicityl condoned just like the last example.
Jacob's concern about the slaughter of Hamor was just based on fear, not morality. Dinah was not held hostage. God never condemned this slaughter, so it was clearly approved.
Joseph did enslave the people of Egypt by acquiring all their land which forced them all to just work for Pharaoh.
I can continue in other books if you like, but why don't you provide counter-evidence?
Returning to the big picture, modern culture has become purely evil. It is no better than Sodom and Gomorrah or the Midianites that God had Israel slaughter in Numbers 25,31. Members of modern culture have absolutely no positive traits. They are pure evil and deserve extermination. I don't understand how any decent person wouldn't see this.
