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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 12, 2018 14:58:08 GMT
In RE class today, I was told there is a passage in the Bible that said that you can't have material wealth and you have to have the "riches" in your heart
Matthew 6:19-20
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. "
Does this mean that we have to live in poverty just to get into heaven? Please explain.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 13, 2018 23:27:12 GMT
No it doesn't mean you must live in poverty. It just means focus on godly things because that will carry you to heaven in the next life. But if you focus on earthly things you'll get carried away and not focus on what God needs from you and you'll miss your chance to enter heaven. Rich people rely everything on their wealth and usually don't need anything else and such are the ones who usually don't enter heaven because wealth means more to them but in the afterlife they won't have that wealth anymore and will end up in hell caring for what wasn't important.
Here's one example from the bible. This guy didn't like that Jesus told him that he needed to follow the commandments and love people by sharing and not being greedy to go to heaven and that guy cared more about his riches so his "treasure" was stored in earthly things not stored in heavenly things.
Matthew 19:21-23
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
In his heart his treasure was only money not following God. And Jesus said this is why he lost his treasure in heaven because of it. His heart loved money way too much.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 14, 2018 0:54:48 GMT
Elizabeth explained it very well  I’d like to share a passage that is related to the topic, 1 Timothy 6:17-19 [17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; [18] That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; [19] Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. It isn’t saying you cannot be rich, but that if you are rich that you shouldn’t be highminded(arrogant/proud), nor should you trust in riches that are uncertain(meaning that you cannot take with you into eternity), but to trust God, who, if you trust in Him, will give you all things. Charge(command) them, the rich, that they do good works to and for all, and that they don’t keep to themselves and hide what they have and keep it from others(basically don’t be a greedy hermit). By doing this they set themselves in the right path and obtain salvation and eternal life along with it |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 14, 2018 10:23:22 GMT
In General, Yes..this suggests that a person should live modestly! Becouse :
10. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(1 Timothy 6:10)
What do you need for a Christian to find in life?
11. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
(1 Timothy 6:11)
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 14, 2018 15:13:54 GMT
Okay thanks, it helped my understanding of the context of the passage.
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Post by whitecoats1 on Sept 15, 2018 19:20:48 GMT
You can have money. Just don't put money before God.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 15, 2018 19:25:48 GMT
You can have money. Just don't put your money before God. Do you believe money can be the root of all evil? |
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Post by whitecoats1 on Sept 15, 2018 20:03:43 GMT
You can have money. Just don't put your money before God. Do you believe money can be the root of all evil? Mark 7:15 to Mark 7:23, money is not evil. man is evil. What ever goes into a man is not evil but once it goes through a man and within him comes out is evil. You can say this about many things such as, lets say guns need to be banned, guns are bad. Guns are inanimate object! But when you give a MAN a gun, what could happen? |
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 15, 2018 20:34:54 GMT
Do you believe money can be the root of all evil? Mark 7:15 to Mark 7:23, money is not evil. man is evil. What ever goes into a man is not evil but once it goes through a man and within him comes out is evil. You can say this about many things such as, lets say guns need to be banned, guns are bad. Guns are inanimate object! But when you give a MAN a gun, what could happen? Yes, I know having money isn't evil to have but I meant can it become evil at one point or another for some reason or be the root of evil at least? What do you think? But yes, I agree with you on what you said |
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Post by whitecoats1 on Sept 15, 2018 21:18:41 GMT
Mark 7:15 to Mark 7:23, money is not evil. man is evil. What ever goes into a man is not evil but once it goes through a man and within him comes out is evil. You can say this about many things such as, lets say guns need to be banned, guns are bad. Guns are inanimate object! But when you give a MAN a gun, what could happen? Yes, I know having money isn't evil to have but I meant can it become evil at one point or another for some reason or be the root of evil at least? What do you think? But yes, I agree with you on what you said Money is a pretty useful tool and an essential part of society. It is seen as the root of evil because it can cause men to envy, deceive, kill, steal, and commit all other forms of sin and iniquity. We as sinful humans cause and see a tool such as money to be evil. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 15, 2018 21:23:26 GMT
Yes, I know having money isn't evil to have but I meant can it become evil at one point or another for some reason or be the root of evil at least? What do you think? But yes, I agree with you on what you said Money is a pretty useful tool and an essential part of society. It is seen as the root of evil because it can cause men to envy, deceive, kill, steal, and commit all other forms of sin and iniquity. We as sinful humans cause and see a tool such as money to be evil. People have killed their own spouses over life insurance money even facepalm It's sad when people let sin win Sad |
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Post by devariel on Oct 19, 2018 2:06:03 GMT
Matthew 6:24
No one is able to serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and he will love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and he will despise the other. You are not able to serve God and mammon [Money].
2 Timothy 3:2
People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy.
Money is the enabler of sin, all temporary desires have their root in money. It is unclean, it creates PROBLEMS that only itself can SOLVE. Truly, money is a genius plot by evil men, that wanted to control the things other people had. But it was popular, it was compact and valueble. You could have the value of a cow and ten chickens in your pocket using valueble coin. Truely the concept of money when it was still pure gold or silver or bronze is ABSOLUTELY A HUNDRED PERCENT genius, and perfect as a mediator where the value of it depends on the value of the mineral. But paper money and even computer bits? I find the concept of what i call "IMAGINATIVE" currency to be completely worthless but i cant do anything.
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Post by devariel on Oct 19, 2018 2:06:59 GMT
It is the way of the world.
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