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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2017 7:07:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 7:22:24 GMT
Unfortunately not here.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2017 7:28:37 GMT
It is even in my family so I do see it happening. The churches here too are declining in how many people attend and some close. I think it is happening because people just don't like the concept of living by faith. Also, science is saying its own thing and more people go after science. Or are there other explainations? Doesn't science correct itself and experiment and then get their mind blown again? I mean NASA studying other planets get mindblown a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 7:50:03 GMT
Yes, science corrects when is mistaken. The religion doesn't do that often. However, an atheist doesn't have to be an expert on science.
No one is able to base whole life aspects on religion, but it's explained with a word "sin" and claiming that everyone is sinful.
Anyway, I think most people have no trust towards religious institutions. The Church here wants to have too much influence on people's lives and these people do not want such influence. Some of them are atheists, some of them are not. The latter may live by their faiths, but not by the dogmas made by other people.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2017 7:57:09 GMT
Yes, science corrects when is mistaken. The religion doesn't do that often. However, an atheist doesn't have to be an expert on science. No one is able to base whole life aspects on religion, but it's explained with a word "sin" and claiming that everyone is sinful. Anyway, I think most people have no trust towards religious institutions. The Church here wants to have too much influence on people's lives and these people do not want such influence. Some of them are atheists, some of them are not. The latter may live by their faiths, but not by the dogmas made by other people. Oh, yes the trust part. I almost forgot about that. Some people wonder where their money goes to when they donate and there are "religious" people who molest and do all sorts of stuff. Those things also give a bad image to religions. I mean, honestly, I probably don't trust 90% of religious instutions in the world. Some are just there to make money and just cause harm more than good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 15:54:00 GMT
I always thought religion as more of a social gathering of people who share the same ideals. Of course, there are religious extremists in every religion--people who take or abuse the faith to God to produce their own twisted views of the word.
I personally think much of the Christian faith has and is under attack. I think that most Muslims are enjoying watching it happen as well, because it has pretty much thrown us into complete disarray. We are still arguing about everything but the stuff that may end up making slaves out of us.
There is a reason why Christians are being hunted en masse in the Middle East. It has more to do with it than religion. Our morals as Christians are the most progressive in the world aside from Taoism in China.
We lose our morals, we lose each other. And when we lose each other, we lose our control just as our control has slowly been declining around the world for at least the past 100 years.
America breeds those that** abuse their Christianity. I am proof of that.
edit: that**
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Post by Kaspias on Oct 26, 2017 19:11:05 GMT
As science progresses, the religions are losing their magnificence.
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 28, 2017 5:26:59 GMT
Across the world the churches have been closing more and more. The faith is truly dying. This is only true in the degenerate West. And thoughout history, when empires degenerated, they lost their religion. So nothing new here. Religion is growing outside the West. The West will fall, as Rome did, and some other culture with a strong religion will replace it. As science progresses, the religions are losing their magnificence. Simply not true. Science and religion are in different areas. It is only crazy American fundamentalists who tried push religion into the area of science. As long as religion focuses on its core area, which is values, then science will not affect it at all.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 28, 2017 6:04:51 GMT
Across the world the churches have been closing more and more. The faith is truly dying. This is only true in the degenerate West. And thoughout history, when empires degenerated, they lost their religion. So nothing new here. Religion is growing outside the West. The West will fall, as Rome did, and some other culture with a strong religion will replace it. I agree 100% and I do live in the west now so it is dying like crazy.
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Post by nchsh on Nov 10, 2017 15:50:11 GMT
World, keep up the good work!
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Post by Yhamilitz on Nov 11, 2017 4:18:44 GMT
Well, it is complex. Secularization do not necessarily means people stoping believe in things.
Per example, Secularization it is seems to be strong in Latin America and in Europe, but in both regions, the process is very different.
(Western) Europeans basically just believe less in religions. and in general, look mainly the materialistic explication. That is actually not happen in Latin America. Latin America in other hand, they are in a process or disbelieving in Catholicism, but they still believe in something.. It may be socialism, protestantism, and so. The emotional structure is still string there.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 11, 2017 4:23:21 GMT
Well, it is complex. Secularization do not necessarily means people stoping believe in things. Per example, Secularization it is seems to be strong in Latin America and in Europe, but in both regions, the process is very different. (Western) Europeans basically just believe less in religions. and in general, look mainly the materialistic explication. That is actually not happen in Latin America. Latin America in other hand, they are in a process or disbelieving in Catholicism, but they still believe in something.. It may be socialism, protestantism, and so. The emotional structure is still string there. How would you compare Mexico and US in terms of religion? Which place seems more religious to you?
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Post by Yhamilitz on Nov 11, 2017 4:41:46 GMT
How would you compare Mexico and US in terms of religion? Which place seems more religious to you? In Mexico you have a dominant catholic society who refuse to die, with a growing protestant, and irreligious society. There are places in Mexico where catholicism is very active inside families and towns. I can say that Catholicism is part of the social life there. In bigger cities, you can find secularism. Secularism in Mexico is not very new, but is also not the dominant force. In the Schools, you receive an secular education, and for government, you can't use religious symbols. Still, Religion is very strong in some people, specially the older people, and the conservatives. In Mexico, you can also see a protestant wave, in which is very similar to the American one, but with some hispanic features. And is very extended by tele-evangelism. Still, I think that their exponential growth was ended. In Mexico, you can find any kind of Christianity (Even Orthodox, but they are very silent) and modern spiritual ideas. Some Asians religions, as buddhism and taoism seems to be attractive as a secondary religion for people. Catholicism is extended everywhere in the country. The most religious catholic places in Mexico, is in the Central-Western part of the country. Meanwhile protestantism's presence is strong in the south, and in the border with the USA. Still, you can find both branches everywhere. Irreligious people, seems to be in bigger cities, like the national capital. But more centralized in the Center, in the Central-East, and the South. Northern Mexicans seems to be a combination of these 3. About the USA, I'm not very sure honestly. I only know that in the Hispanic side of Texas, is dominantly Catholic, with a very strong Protestant presence. As many young people(But less that in Mexico) are irreligious.
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Post by ewok on Nov 11, 2017 4:43:36 GMT
You can be faithful to science and religon. Even Darwin kept his faith until he lost his son. Who knows what things such as Quotom science may bring us. There is already evidence of multiverse. Maybe it will lead to direct contact with God, Godess, Gods.(delete according to your beliefs).
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 11, 2017 4:52:29 GMT
How would you compare Mexico and US in terms of religion? Which place seems more religious to you? In Mexico you have a dominant catholic society who refuse to die, with a growing protestant, and irreligious society. There are places in Mexico where catholicism is very active inside families and towns. I can say that Catholicism is part of the social life there. In bigger cities, you can find secularism. Secularism in Mexico is not very new, but is also not the dominant force. In the Schools, you receive an secular education, and for government, you can't use religious symbols. Still, Religion is very strong in some people, specially the older people, and the conservatives. In Mexico, you can also see a protestant wave, in which is very similar to the American one, but with some hispanic features. And is very extended by tele-evangelism. Still, I think that their exponential growth was ended. In Mexico, you can find any kind of Christianity (Even Orthodox, but they are very silent) and modern spiritual ideas. Some Asians religions, as buddhism and taoism seems to be attractive as a secondary religion for people. Catholicism is extended everywhere in the country. The most religious catholic places in Mexico, is in the Central-Western part of the country. Meanwhile protestantism's presence is strong in the south, and in the border with the USA. Still, you can find both branches everywhere. Irreligious people, seems to be in bigger cities, like the national capital. But more centralized in the Center, in the Central-East, and the South. Northern Mexicans seems to be a combination of these 3. About the USA, I'm not very sure honestly. I only know that in the Hispanic side of Texas, is dominantly Catholic, with a very strong Protestant presence. As many young people(But less that in Mexico) are irreligious. Yeah, Catholism seems the most domininant religion from there. Living in California I have only met one Protestant family who are Mexican. The rest of them here are all Catholic. And I have noticed that most all are religious as compared to Americans. Maybe, it isn't fully true in them being more religious than Americans as a whole but it is what I observed so far.
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