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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 24, 2023 20:16:29 GMT
The more we try to grasp at truth the more we create patterns for it, that end in absurdity and contradiction, given the fact that in grasping for truth we create definitions for it, which stand apart from other definitions and truths, through which we can hold said truth from our own angle of perception; any angle of perception is a vice-grip which holds and crushes the truth until its leaks away leaving one with a state of tension as the angle of perception is fundamentally relative and subject to contradiction given its manifestations of distinctions which stand apart. Relativity is a vice-grip. Definition thus becomes a prison of the self as the self encapsulates itself within its own specific viewpoints and patterns by multiplying that which is true until it becomes relative, i.e. the definition and the act of defining, as the subjective angle of observation which is the self is a sieve which separates "this from that" when in reality there is only "what is".
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Post by jonbain on May 24, 2023 20:46:07 GMT
The more we try to grasp at truth the more we create patterns for it, that end in absurdity and contradiction, given the fact that in grasping for truth we create definitions for it, which stand apart from other definitions and truths, through which we can hold said truth from our own angle of perception; any angle of perception is a vice-grip which holds and crushes the truth until its leaks away leaving one with a state of tension as the angle of perception is fundamentally relative and subject to contradiction given its manifestations of distinctions which stand apart. Relativity is a vice-grip. Definition thus becomes a prison of the self as the self encapsulates itself within its own specific viewpoints and patterns by multiplying that which is true until it becomes relative, i.e. the definition and the act of defining, as the subjective angle of observation which is the self is a sieve which separates "this from that" when in reality there is only "what is". The more we try to grasp at truth the more we distance our self
from the media-controlled world of hypocrisy,
given that obtaining truth is only defined as meaningful
in a society that perpetuates deceit.
Truth for the self is impossible emotionally,
it becomes a self-defeating vice-grip.
Truth is always at war with the world, and only when embroiled in that war of ethic can truth be held as a substantial and real state of being, a vehicle for a dichotomy of joy and sadness; as empathy is its most critical property.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on May 26, 2023 19:44:42 GMT
The more we try to grasp at truth the more we create patterns for it, that end in absurdity and contradiction, given the fact that in grasping for truth we create definitions for it, which stand apart from other definitions and truths, through which we can hold said truth from our own angle of perception; any angle of perception is a vice-grip which holds and crushes the truth until its leaks away leaving one with a state of tension as the angle of perception is fundamentally relative and subject to contradiction given its manifestations of distinctions which stand apart. Relativity is a vice-grip. Definition thus becomes a prison of the self as the self encapsulates itself within its own specific viewpoints and patterns by multiplying that which is true until it becomes relative, i.e. the definition and the act of defining, as the subjective angle of observation which is the self is a sieve which separates "this from that" when in reality there is only "what is". The more we try to grasp at truth the more we distance our self
from the media-controlled world of hypocrisy,
given that obtaining truth is only defined as meaningful
in a society that perpetuates deceit.
Truth for the self is impossible emotionally,
it becomes a self-defeating vice-grip.
Truth is always at war with the world, and only when embroiled in that war of ethic can truth be held as a substantial and real state of being, a vehicle for a dichotomy of joy and sadness; as empathy is its most critical property.
If truth is at war with the world, and both truth and the world exist, then existence is grounded in contradiction and with it the nature of truth (as truth and existence are inseparable).
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Post by MAYA-EL on May 28, 2023 10:08:59 GMT
I actually agree with this one
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jun 2, 2023 19:24:04 GMT
I actually agree with this one Thus we are left with 'no-thingness' as we cannot grasp no-thingness and what can be grasped is not true.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Jun 4, 2023 22:21:28 GMT
I actually agree with this one Thus we are left with 'no-thingness' as we cannot grasp no-thingness and what can be grasped is not true. No not at all you always seem to come to these conclusions that make no sense how you arrived at them but you just gracefully conclude them as if it's some obvious fact that no sane person can see
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jun 21, 2023 17:50:42 GMT
Thus we are left with 'no-thingness' as we cannot grasp no-thingness and what can be grasped is not true. No not at all you always seem to come to these conclusions that make no sense how you arrived at them but you just gracefully conclude them as if it's some obvious fact that no sane person can see Face palm..... We can only grasp things. We cannot grasp nothing. If truth cannot be grasped it is not a thing.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Jun 28, 2023 5:18:47 GMT
No not at all you always seem to come to these conclusions that make no sense how you arrived at them but you just gracefully conclude them as if it's some obvious fact that no sane person can see Face palm..... We can only grasp things. We cannot grasp nothing. If truth cannot be grasped it is not a thing. I can't grasp the moon yet it's still a thing
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jun 28, 2023 23:33:19 GMT
Face palm..... We can only grasp things. We cannot grasp nothing. If truth cannot be grasped it is not a thing. I can't grasp the moon yet it's still a thing You just grasped it by making it distinct from other things.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Jun 29, 2023 2:59:38 GMT
I can't grasp the moon yet it's still a thing You just grasped it by making it distinct from other things. If you're really special that you think that because we can't grasp truth that therefore it doesn't exist then you need a handler and a helmet to play outside
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jun 30, 2023 19:08:46 GMT
You just grasped it by making it distinct from other things. If you're really special that you think that because we can't grasp truth that therefore it doesn't exist then you need a handler and a helmet to play outside I never said truth does not exist. I said it is no-thing (not a thing).
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Post by MAYA-EL on Jul 1, 2023 15:06:03 GMT
If you're really special that you think that because we can't grasp truth that therefore it doesn't exist then you need a handler and a helmet to play outside I never said truth does not exist. I said it is no-thing (not a thing). Things exist therefore no thing doesn't exist
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 5, 2023 14:54:36 GMT
I never said truth does not exist. I said it is no-thing (not a thing). Things exist therefore no thing doesn't exist Nothingness can neither be proven or disproven as to prove it would be to prove nothing and to disprove it would be to disprove nothing. To speak of nothing is to speak empty words.
As to your point:
Things are distinctions and distinctions require a standing apart. This standing apart results in contradiction. To say things exist is to say contradiction exists.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 5, 2023 11:02:08 GMT
I like both arguments that 'truth is not a thing', and that 'things exist before no-thing'. Both are very plausible.
I think there's an agreement for them:
If truth isn't a thing, then truths appears right after things.
Actually it sounds very true, just check this out:
If for a certain thing to be itself something else is needed, then for all the things 'no-things" is needed, and exactly this requirement is what causes the truth to appear.
The truth doesn't exist before things, it appears either after, or along with the things.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Aug 9, 2023 22:35:15 GMT
I like both arguments that 'truth is not a thing', and that 'things exist before no-thing'. Both are very plausible. I think there's an agreement for them: If truth isn't a thing, then truths appears right after things. Actually it sounds very true, just check this out: If for a certain thing to be itself something else is needed, then for all the things 'no-things" is needed, and exactly this requirement is what causes the truth to appear. The truth doesn't exist before things, it appears either after, or along with the things. 1. If truth is not a thing, and things exist before no-thing, then truth comes after existence. 2. If truth comes after existence then existence is not a truth (as it is before truth). 3. Existence coming before truth necessitates truth as an illusion (as existence is before truth thus existence precedes truth; the totality of existence is beyond truth and with it truth is just a fragment thus partial and relative).
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