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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 26, 2023 19:27:44 GMT
Time to time I noticed that my speed in typing, in playing guitar, running, etc are getting slower if after a series of succes (~1-5 times) I get just one mistake. In other words, as soon as I make a mistake my speed gets slower. Why so? And of course it wouldn't be a problem, it might be personal, but I remember some people also complained about quite exact things. Let's say a person I knew, when he played piano for some times it played very good without mistakes, but as soon as he made just one mistake, his speed in playing dropped down, and he couldn't start playing the same tempo as before. I don't know what kind of psychology effect is presented here - loosing the focus, or concentration or something, and it may be this thing, and not that just loosing the speed. I mean if the focus has been lost, then it is uneasy to bring it back again easily, so there is why the speed drops down.
Anyway, as soon as either the focus is lost, or a mistake is done, the delays start appearing, and perhaps they are the reason of dropping the speed. This is what I think, but I'm not sure.
What I don't know is how to check or examine what is the reason of delays after making a mistake in a series of successful exercises, and loosing speed after that. How to do this? Because, let's say that if this was the focus, but how to prove it? It seems like the argument about the focus isn't so bad, but that's just a hypothesis, not a theory.
What would you do?
Let's say you want to do somethig by yourself as riding a bike or a motorcycle, or playing guitar, or something else, and you noticed that as soon as you made a mistake your exercises became worse, and worse [in general: loosing speed, making more repeats, etc], so how would you find out the reasons, and how could you try to fix it?
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Post by jonbain on Feb 27, 2023 9:49:51 GMT
Time to time I noticed that my speed in typing, in playing guitar, running, etc are getting slower if after a series of succes (~1-5 times) I get just one mistake. In other words, as soon as I make a mistake my speed gets slower. Why so? And of course it wouldn't be a problem, it might be personal, but I remember some people also complained about quite exact things. Let's say a person I knew, when he played piano for some times it played very good without mistakes, but as soon as he made just one mistake, his speed in playing dropped down, and he couldn't start playing the same tempo as before. I don't know what kind of psychology effect is presented here - loosing the focus, or concentration or something, and it may be this thing, and not that just loosing the speed. I mean if the focus has been lost, then it is uneasy to bring it back again easily, so there is why the speed drops down. Anyway, as soon as either the focus is lost, or a mistake is done, the delays start appearing, and perhaps they are the reason of dropping the speed. This is what I think, but I'm not sure. What I don't know is how to check or examine what is the reason of delays after making a mistake in a series of successful exercises, and loosing speed after that. How to do this? Because, let's say that if this was the focus, but how to prove it? It seems like the argument about the focus isn't so bad, but that's just a hypothesis, not a theory. What would you do? Let's say you want to do somethig by yourself as riding a bike or a motorcycle, or playing guitar, or something else, and you noticed that as soon as you made a mistake your exercises became worse, and worse [in general: loosing speed, making more repeats, etc], so how would you find out the reasons, and how could you try to fix it? Its to do with learned anxiety from mistakes. Society conditions us with negative emotions when we error, and thus subconscious trauma inhibits the learning process.
This is especially prevalent, for example, with people that stutter. The more they err, the more anxious they get, the worse it becomes.
Psycho-analytically it can take much time and effort to get to the source of the problem, which results in existential crises, and nervous breakdowns as they relive they learnt trauma. It takes as much philosophy as it does psychology to find the Gnosis that stabilizes the mind.
I started this year taking on one of the toughest learning-curves around: Blender 3D. At this point my left arm starts to go on strike due to decades of mousing around on the PC, so I am forced into doing this with my wrong (right) hand too.
What an uphill battle! Relax.
Smoke a spiff and enjoy it. Just don't smoke on an empty stomach ! Honestly, ganja increases concentration if used properly. Ras Tafari do not consider it the fruit of the tree of knowledge for nothing.
Look at all the best musicians? Almost everyone puffs ganja.
Have you ever tried to learn a musical instrument? AND enjoy the process so that it is enjoyable to others?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 1, 2023 9:33:08 GMT
Time to time I noticed that my speed in typing, in playing guitar, running, etc are getting slower if after a series of succes (~1-5 times) I get just one mistake. In other words, as soon as I make a mistake my speed gets slower. Why so? And of course it wouldn't be a problem, it might be personal, but I remember some people also complained about quite exact things. Let's say a person I knew, when he played piano for some times it played very good without mistakes, but as soon as he made just one mistake, his speed in playing dropped down, and he couldn't start playing the same tempo as before. I don't know what kind of psychology effect is presented here - loosing the focus, or concentration or something, and it may be this thing, and not that just loosing the speed. I mean if the focus has been lost, then it is uneasy to bring it back again easily, so there is why the speed drops down. Anyway, as soon as either the focus is lost, or a mistake is done, the delays start appearing, and perhaps they are the reason of dropping the speed. This is what I think, but I'm not sure. What I don't know is how to check or examine what is the reason of delays after making a mistake in a series of successful exercises, and loosing speed after that. How to do this? Because, let's say that if this was the focus, but how to prove it? It seems like the argument about the focus isn't so bad, but that's just a hypothesis, not a theory. What would you do? Let's say you want to do somethig by yourself as riding a bike or a motorcycle, or playing guitar, or something else, and you noticed that as soon as you made a mistake your exercises became worse, and worse [in general: loosing speed, making more repeats, etc], so how would you find out the reasons, and how could you try to fix it? Its to do with learned anxiety from mistakes. Society conditions us with negative emotions when we error, and thus subconscious trauma inhibits the learning process.
This is especially prevalent, for example, with people that stutter. The more they err, the more anxious they get, the worse it becomes.
Psycho-analytically it can take much time and effort to get to the source of the problem, which results in existential crises, and nervous breakdowns as they relive they learnt trauma. It takes as much philosophy as it does psychology to find the Gnosis that stabilizes the mind.
I started this year taking on one of the toughest learning-curves around: Blender 3D. At this point my left arm starts to go on strike due to decades of mousing around on the PC, so I am forced into doing this with my wrong (right) hand too.
What an uphill battle! Relax.
Smoke a spiff and enjoy it. Just don't smoke on an empty stomach ! Honestly, ganja increases concentration if used properly. Ras Tafari do not consider it the fruit of the tree of knowledge for nothing.
Look at all the best musicians? Almost everyone puffs ganja.
Have you ever tried to learn a musical instrument? AND enjoy the process so that it is enjoyable to others?
Do thank you, Jonathan, for your ispiring answer! You not only answered on my question, but propose truly good advice! Indeed! You're right, I almost forgot that there are stuff that can be used to load the aoul! First of all, about the anxiety - yes, I guess this is something very important for this case. Actually, I noticed that if I do exercises (musical or logical, or whatsoever), I usually never had any problems of such: after making few mistakes the speed (if I play guitar or typing texts, etc) was kept by the same level. While the later I start doing it (afternoun, evening, or night) the speed is sufficiently dropping down. So, if at night I make a little mistake the speed drop down very fast. So, I guess the anxiety is the best explanation. Of course these are just my subjective introspections. Second, my father served in army, and at the same time he was a musician. He also played few bands - not popular. Mostly he played as a session musician. He played flute, saxophone, and drums. No doubt that the drums were my favourite instrument too, and even being a kid I tried to play drums. I had no intentions to a musician, and my father never made me play on any instrument, he wanted me to choice this deliberately. He said that his father (my grandfather) made my father to play some instruments, and he didn't want to repeat that mistake. But along with it he could swear that because my grandfather made him playing it helped him a lot, because it helped him become a professional musician. I'm not a professional; all I know was only by me. So, I had no interests in playing until ~15. Yes, I played drums, but it was just more fun, then serious. In 15 I started trying guitar, but my soul was not for the one, I liked bluesharp - the little harmonica - the one that some of old bluesmen had. I liked the idea that I could carry it whenever I go, and I liked that country western style. Time to time I visited a village where I helped my grandparents, and after doing some work I wanted to sit down near a bonfire and played something. But I must say to buy a harmonica wasn't so easy, because I lived in Kharkiv, not the capital of Ukraine, and those times (the beginning of 00's) such musical instruments as harmonica were not so widely popular. But after searching more stores I finally found one. It was a cheat model. So, there another problem raised in front of me - I had no instructions or notes, or whatever. I knew only one guy in Kharkiv who played harmonica, but neither me, nor my father didn't know him personally. That guy was blind (as Sonny Terry), and I doubted even if I knew him he could help me a lot. Anyway, later I found some literature. Year by year I found not only the literature offline, but as soon as I started surfing Internet I could find some info about how to play. Moreover, I was truly lucky when in one store a German/English CD-ROM about harmonica was selling. That was fantastic! Since that my technique started being more and more good, and in 2008-2010 I even played in few bands. Those bands were not professional, but I liked it. Yes, I also played guitar. Not so well, but I did it mostly by my own style, so I'd say I play in my own style. Even with a slider, or an electric. Mostly, acoustic. And I played drums also with few guys. I'm not a good drummer. When I needed the drums (the drum set) in my 16-17 my father didn't have them anymore. He often bought or sold them, so I didn't have them, and I couldn't allow myself to have them - must they the drums were usually expensive. But I played. Well, thank you again for your comments and question! Good luck to you!!!
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Post by MAYA-EL on Mar 2, 2023 23:07:32 GMT
Time to time I noticed that my speed in typing, in playing guitar, running, etc are getting slower if after a series of succes (~1-5 times) I get just one mistake. In other words, as soon as I make a mistake my speed gets slower. Why so? And of course it wouldn't be a problem, it might be personal, but I remember some people also complained about quite exact things. Let's say a person I knew, when he played piano for some times it played very good without mistakes, but as soon as he made just one mistake, his speed in playing dropped down, and he couldn't start playing the same tempo as before. I don't know what kind of psychology effect is presented here - loosing the focus, or concentration or something, and it may be this thing, and not that just loosing the speed. I mean if the focus has been lost, then it is uneasy to bring it back again easily, so there is why the speed drops down. Anyway, as soon as either the focus is lost, or a mistake is done, the delays start appearing, and perhaps they are the reason of dropping the speed. This is what I think, but I'm not sure. What I don't know is how to check or examine what is the reason of delays after making a mistake in a series of successful exercises, and loosing speed after that. How to do this? Because, let's say that if this was the focus, but how to prove it? It seems like the argument about the focus isn't so bad, but that's just a hypothesis, not a theory. What would you do? Let's say you want to do somethig by yourself as riding a bike or a motorcycle, or playing guitar, or something else, and you noticed that as soon as you made a mistake your exercises became worse, and worse [in general: loosing speed, making more repeats, etc], so how would you find out the reasons, and how could you try to fix it? Its to do with learned anxiety from mistakes. Society conditions us with negative emotions when we error, and thus subconscious trauma inhibits the learning process.
This is especially prevalent, for example, with people that stutter. The more they err, the more anxious they get, the worse it becomes.
Psycho-analytically it can take much time and effort to get to the source of the problem, which results in existential crises, and nervous breakdowns as they relive they learnt trauma. It takes as much philosophy as it does psychology to find the Gnosis that stabilizes the mind.
I started this year taking on one of the toughest learning-curves around: Blender 3D. At this point my left arm starts to go on strike due to decades of mousing around on the PC, so I am forced into doing this with my wrong (right) hand too.
What an uphill battle! Relax.
Smoke a spiff and enjoy it. Just don't smoke on an empty stomach ! Honestly, ganja increases concentration if used properly. Ras Tafari do not consider it the fruit of the tree of knowledge for nothing.
Look at all the best musicians? Almost everyone puffs ganja.
Have you ever tried to learn a musical instrument? AND enjoy the process so that it is enjoyable to others?
I must have a bad reaction to weed I've tried indica and sativa and several blends of both and only 1 was enjoyable but still I couldn't function worth a dang but usually no matter what the strand is it just make me physically that of a 2yr old and my mind is off in some Dr Seuss world and I've tried eating it and smoking it in a blunt or glass pipe or my preferred method that's most convenient and gets you the most out of your stash and that's using an electric coilless atomizer set to about 340* you get 4x as many hits out of however much you load in it and it doesn't make a smell so no one knows you smoked anything even if in the same room as you which is crazy giving how stinky this stuff is but still if I have any amount then the next 8hrs im worthless and dizzy . Perhaps it's a gut microbiome problem or something ? I also feel absolutely 0 from CBD products But I think kratom is the cats meow
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Post by jonbain on Mar 5, 2023 11:51:15 GMT
MAYA-ELI did not smoke a thing at all between 2014 and 2020, then the world went mad, so I had to alleviate reality a bit... But I am shocked at how potent the ganja had become, easily 10x stronger in some respects, maybe even 100x in other types of ganja. I make a miniscule tooth-pick of about 4 small hits which i then rebreath in a circular breathing technique similar to how you play a digeridoo, so almost no smoke escapes, and that will bake me from breakfast to lunch. If you are having negative effects, you just having too much. When I restarted smoking, even half of one drag would be optimal for 4 hours. That one spliff with 4 small hits is actually still too much for 1st timers, these days. In 10 years time they gonna make stuff so potent, we gonna be levitating and walking on water after getting just one whiff of it.
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Post by Polaris on Mar 5, 2023 19:32:42 GMT
Time to time I noticed that my speed in typing, in playing guitar, running, etc are getting slower if after a series of succes (~1-5 times) I get just one mistake. In other words, as soon as I make a mistake my speed gets slower. Why so? And of course it wouldn't be a problem, it might be personal, but I remember some people also complained about quite exact things. Let's say a person I knew, when he played piano for some times it played very good without mistakes, but as soon as he made just one mistake, his speed in playing dropped down, and he couldn't start playing the same tempo as before. I don't know what kind of psychology effect is presented here - loosing the focus, or concentration or something, and it may be this thing, and not that just loosing the speed. I mean if the focus has been lost, then it is uneasy to bring it back again easily, so there is why the speed drops down. Anyway, as soon as either the focus is lost, or a mistake is done, the delays start appearing, and perhaps they are the reason of dropping the speed. This is what I think, but I'm not sure. What I don't know is how to check or examine what is the reason of delays after making a mistake in a series of successful exercises, and loosing speed after that. How to do this? Because, let's say that if this was the focus, but how to prove it? It seems like the argument about the focus isn't so bad, but that's just a hypothesis, not a theory. What would you do? Let's say you want to do somethig by yourself as riding a bike or a motorcycle, or playing guitar, or something else, and you noticed that as soon as you made a mistake your exercises became worse, and worse [in general: loosing speed, making more repeats, etc], so how would you find out the reasons, and how could you try to fix it? Making a mistake makes you slower because making a mistake makes you self-conscious. After making a mistake, part of your mind will be watching the part which is working to make sure that the same mistake is not repeated, so you only work with part of your capacity.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 5, 2023 20:01:01 GMT
Time to time I noticed that my speed in typing, in playing guitar, running, etc are getting slower if after a series of succes (~1-5 times) I get just one mistake. In other words, as soon as I make a mistake my speed gets slower. Why so? And of course it wouldn't be a problem, it might be personal, but I remember some people also complained about quite exact things. Let's say a person I knew, when he played piano for some times it played very good without mistakes, but as soon as he made just one mistake, his speed in playing dropped down, and he couldn't start playing the same tempo as before. I don't know what kind of psychology effect is presented here - loosing the focus, or concentration or something, and it may be this thing, and not that just loosing the speed. I mean if the focus has been lost, then it is uneasy to bring it back again easily, so there is why the speed drops down. Anyway, as soon as either the focus is lost, or a mistake is done, the delays start appearing, and perhaps they are the reason of dropping the speed. This is what I think, but I'm not sure. What I don't know is how to check or examine what is the reason of delays after making a mistake in a series of successful exercises, and loosing speed after that. How to do this? Because, let's say that if this was the focus, but how to prove it? It seems like the argument about the focus isn't so bad, but that's just a hypothesis, not a theory. What would you do? Let's say you want to do somethig by yourself as riding a bike or a motorcycle, or playing guitar, or something else, and you noticed that as soon as you made a mistake your exercises became worse, and worse [in general: loosing speed, making more repeats, etc], so how would you find out the reasons, and how could you try to fix it? Making a mistake makes you slower because making a mistake makes you self-conscious. After making a mistake, part of your mind will be watching the part which is working to make sure that the same mistake is not repeated, so you only work with part of your capacity. Many regards! I've been waiting for such an answer! I wanted to underline that conscious moment in that delay. Your addition sounds like the exact answer on this question. I still don't know how to check this new hypothesis. The anxiety Jonbain proposed is what can be measured more or less better. Let's say the strength of muscles looses or raises. However, the consciousness part allows to introduce even philosophical explanations as additional, which looks like a really interesting wander into the way to prove it. Let's say that the process of thinking T about 1 thing requires 1 value of energy E, or it costs 1 unit of effort to waste from my total amount of energy E. So, increasing T makes E be raised straight proportionally, and as the result, the other processes loose their energy E from a total amount of it. Here's another trap on this way – is to measure or to find out that total amount of energy. (What if it is being changed? Until it hasn't been measured, no precisely result is gained.) I do like that you also pointed that tiny, but very notable point about the self-consciousness. Of yes, it looks like such a turning point may have occurred in such cases. Because instead of thinking of the current process, the attention turns into the depths of self-analysis. If the self-analysis is the reason why the total speed drops down, then the self-analysis isn't good always. Maybe sometimes we just are tired of ourselves :) Maybe time to time it's okay to put someone else's shoes on?
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Post by MAYA-EL on Mar 5, 2023 20:44:45 GMT
Time to time I noticed that my speed in typing, in playing guitar, running, etc are getting slower if after a series of succes (~1-5 times) I get just one mistake. In other words, as soon as I make a mistake my speed gets slower. Why so? And of course it wouldn't be a problem, it might be personal, but I remember some people also complained about quite exact things. Let's say a person I knew, when he played piano for some times it played very good without mistakes, but as soon as he made just one mistake, his speed in playing dropped down, and he couldn't start playing the same tempo as before. I don't know what kind of psychology effect is presented here - loosing the focus, or concentration or something, and it may be this thing, and not that just loosing the speed. I mean if the focus has been lost, then it is uneasy to bring it back again easily, so there is why the speed drops down. Anyway, as soon as either the focus is lost, or a mistake is done, the delays start appearing, and perhaps they are the reason of dropping the speed. This is what I think, but I'm not sure. What I don't know is how to check or examine what is the reason of delays after making a mistake in a series of successful exercises, and loosing speed after that. How to do this? Because, let's say that if this was the focus, but how to prove it? It seems like the argument about the focus isn't so bad, but that's just a hypothesis, not a theory. What would you do? Let's say you want to do somethig by yourself as riding a bike or a motorcycle, or playing guitar, or something else, and you noticed that as soon as you made a mistake your exercises became worse, and worse [in general: loosing speed, making more repeats, etc], so how would you find out the reasons, and how could you try to fix it? Making a mistake makes you slower because making a mistake makes you self-conscious. After making a mistake, part of your mind will be watching the part which is working to make sure that the same mistake is not repeated, so you only work with part of your capacity. What happens is the stress of making the mistake makes you release cortisol which activates your fight or flight mode and when that's activated then parts of your brain start to shut down inorder to put maximum energy into a few basic areas so that you can get out of danger as fast as possible What this means is you become as dumb as a box of rocks and you have hardly any fine motor skills You basically turn into a cave man only capable of running Then when the adrenaline wears off and you return to baseline so does your brain This is why when you get frustrated and start messing up it's best to take a break and relax for a little bit then try again when your cooled off.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 5, 2023 22:13:54 GMT
Making a mistake makes you slower because making a mistake makes you self-conscious. After making a mistake, part of your mind will be watching the part which is working to make sure that the same mistake is not repeated, so you only work with part of your capacity. What happens is the stress of making the mistake makes you release cortisol which activates your fight or flight mode and when that's activated then parts of your brain start to shut down inorder to put maximum energy into a few basic areas so that you can get out of danger as fast as possible What this means is you become as dumb as a box of rocks and you have hardly any fine motor skills You basically turn into a cave man only capable of running Then when the adrenaline wears off and you return to baseline so does your brain This is why when you get frustrated and start messing up it's best to take a break and relax for a little bit then try again when your cooled off. Jonbain was talking about that before, but additionally to that that the one of the reasons of that was the anxiety. And yes, I guess that as soon as you're out of focus this may be signalizing that the organism should rest. But here's something additionally from Polaris who added an interesting point of view that also happens not rarely. Just imagine you were doing something, and made a mistake. So, let's say that after that you decided to take a break, or to take a nap. However, even getting into bed you'd been thinking about the mistake. It may happen if the taks you've been working on is hard, and you have to put more intellect efforts to it to solve the puzzle. So, even taking the break doesn't mean that thought - about the mistake - will be vanished. It's like a sportsman who after making a mistake started thinking about his mistake, and why did he do this. Surely for the sportsman's sake he should think about this not during the competition, however it doesn't mean he can stop doing it, if he is urgent to solve it. Let's say it's a basketball competition, and a team must win some points. So, the team, or it's leader, or the coach (etc) should try to help the team, and for that he has to think about the mistakes too. Maybe putting efforts into the process of thinking about the team's faults will help to find out why the team made mistakes, and what troubles happened. Like in one of movies "Coach Carter" (if I don't confuse anything). There was a team, but it played badly, and the reason why they played badly were their spoiled life - of each of player's. The coach Carter couldn't help them out to win the game, because he couldn't courage them enought, but at least after he found what kind of trouble it was he helped the team to demonstrate a good game. So, after that some of the players were hired by other better teams.
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