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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 15, 2022 16:17:26 GMT
Marx or Lenin (I don't remember exactly) intended that the communism should have been spreaded among all the nations, or else it wouldn't have worked. My own opinion is that if any ideology had been spreaded all over the world properly, then people wouldn't have closed to those ideology; they wouldn't have any other choice. In that sense, any of such intentions is quite dangerous. Other ideologies, as liberalism, don't require to be spreaded everywhere. Thus, the leftists might be compared to the globalists. While, I don't really know.
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Post by jonbain on Dec 15, 2022 19:15:43 GMT
I'm always a bit bemused by the term 'left-wingers'. The origin is the french revolution, as those that sat on the left were republicans, and those on the right supported the monarchy
was the french revolution then the real origin of communism?
it hinges on the notion of private property (thou shalt not steal) so a violent rejection of christian monarchy (commies) are effectively violating the 10 commandments.
But christianity also seeks a global narrative...
I reckon that since the vikings figured how to build a boat properly, globalism has been inevitable,
just what shape it takes remains to be seen...
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 15, 2022 21:53:50 GMT
I'm always a bit bemused by the term 'left-wingers'. The origin is the french revolution, as those that sat on the left were republicans, and those on the right supported the monarchy was the french revolution then the real origin of communism? it hinges on the notion of private property (thou shalt not steal) so a violent rejection of christian monarchy (commies) are effectively violating the 10 commandments. But christianity also seeks a global narrative... I reckon that since the vikings figured how to build a boat properly, globalism has been inevitable, just what shape it takes remains to be seen... I speak to Europeans sporadically; mostly to Croatians, Swisses, Nederlanders. And also to Polish, Estonians, Litvians. I'd say almost everyone of them hearing that 'left-wingers' would undersand the same. Well, the left-wingers in that common thought of some Europeans are lgbt, Gretha Tunberg, commies of all the sorts, hippies, etc. It seems like there is a notion - we don't know so well what this notion is - but people use a set of synonyms or even sentences to mark or to define that notion more or less better. I am sure that there are anti-Christian groups in the higher power. God, bless us all! Help us! Yes, I think Christianity is also toward that global, but (!) Gospels must be spelled everywhere, not become a tool of repression. If a person rejects hearing Bible, or rejecting Christ, his teachings, the teachings of God, then that person rejects himself from Christianity. I guess is a good thing to tell anyone about Bible, but another thing is to make anyone become a Christian. In this last meaning such "an act" would be truly anti-Christian. Muslims, Judaists, Hinduists try to make people to believe in God, but Christians have always been quite liberal about that. May I ask you, please, what about the vikings with boats? What plans did they have? I wish vikings rule the world! I guess it would be much more rational, than today.
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Post by jonbain on Dec 16, 2022 6:10:53 GMT
I'm always a bit bemused by the term 'left-wingers'. The origin is the french revolution, as those that sat on the left were republicans, and those on the right supported the monarchy was the french revolution then the real origin of communism? it hinges on the notion of private property (thou shalt not steal) so a violent rejection of christian monarchy (commies) are effectively violating the 10 commandments. But christianity also seeks a global narrative... I reckon that since the vikings figured how to build a boat properly, globalism has been inevitable, just what shape it takes remains to be seen... I speak to Europeans sporadically; mostly to Croatians, Swisses, Nederlanders. And also to Polish, Estonians, Litvians. I'd say almost everyone of them hearing that 'left-wingers' would undersand the same. Well, the left-wingers in that common thought of some Europeans are lgbt, Gretha Tunberg, commies of all the sorts, hippies, etc. It seems like there is a notion - we don't know so well what this notion is - but people use a set of synonyms or even sentences to mark or to define that notion more or less better. I am sure that there are anti-Christian groups in the higher power. God, bless us all! Help us! Yes, I think Christianity is also toward that global, but (!) Gospels must be spelled everywhere, not become a tool of repression. If a person rejects hearing Bible, or rejecting Christ, his teachings, the teachings of God, then that person rejects himself from Christianity. I guess is a good thing to tell anyone about Bible, but another thing is to make anyone become a Christian. In this last meaning such "an act" would be truly anti-Christian. Muslims, Judaists, Hinduists try to make people to believe in God, but Christians have always been quite liberal about that. May I ask you, please, what about the vikings with boats? What plans did they have? I wish vikings rule the world! I guess it would be much more rational, than today.
Well if I take your definition of left wing as normal, then the riposte is that the right wing are typically racist, hierarchical, authoritarian,
misogynist wife-beating alcoholic drunk-drivers.
Whereas those on the left are openly queer, those on the right hide their queer
away from the public eye, and typically acquire numerous properties
so that they can have easy access to 'rent-boys'. (With which the left supplies them).
Some are lawyers and rape prison inmates in their spare time, whilst dressing in shiny squeeky clean suits in the public eye.
The more ambitious then graduate to acquiring female prostitutes which often take the guise of 'secretary' (or such terms), and in effect these are little
different to muslims.
Well, if such are the definitions, then politics as a decision making process for society is doomed to war.
The descendants of vikings are pre-occupied with technical work, thus its the saxon media that is currently ruling the world through media-fascism.
Sad as my conclusion sounds, but I think its only going to get better when your war expands beyond your borders, and threatens to consume the world.
We are at that precipice.
Will the press perpetuate the lies that lead to war? Or will they confess their errors and lose money and give the world a chance at peace?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 18, 2022 12:28:08 GMT
I speak to Europeans sporadically; mostly to Croatians, Swisses, Nederlanders. And also to Polish, Estonians, Litvians. I'd say almost everyone of them hearing that 'left-wingers' would undersand the same. Well, the left-wingers in that common thought of some Europeans are lgbt, Gretha Tunberg, commies of all the sorts, hippies, etc. It seems like there is a notion - we don't know so well what this notion is - but people use a set of synonyms or even sentences to mark or to define that notion more or less better. I am sure that there are anti-Christian groups in the higher power. God, bless us all! Help us! Yes, I think Christianity is also toward that global, but (!) Gospels must be spelled everywhere, not become a tool of repression. If a person rejects hearing Bible, or rejecting Christ, his teachings, the teachings of God, then that person rejects himself from Christianity. I guess is a good thing to tell anyone about Bible, but another thing is to make anyone become a Christian. In this last meaning such "an act" would be truly anti-Christian. Muslims, Judaists, Hinduists try to make people to believe in God, but Christians have always been quite liberal about that. May I ask you, please, what about the vikings with boats? What plans did they have? I wish vikings rule the world! I guess it would be much more rational, than today.
Well if I take your definition of left wing as normal, then the riposte is that the right wing are typically racist, hierarchical, authoritarian,
misogynist wife-beating alcoholic drunk-drivers.
Whereas those on the left are openly queer, those on the right hide their queer
away from the public eye, and typically acquire numerous properties
so that they can have easy access to 'rent-boys'. (With which the left supplies them).
Some are lawyers and rape prison inmates in their spare time, whilst dressing in shiny squeeky clean suits in the public eye.
The more ambitious then graduate to acquiring female prostitutes which often take the guise of 'secretary' (or such terms), and in effect these are little
different to muslims.
Well, if such are the definitions, then politics as a decision making process for society is doomed to war.
The descendants of vikings are pre-occupied with technical work, thus its the saxon media that is currently ruling the world through media-fascism.
Sad as my conclusion sounds, but I think its only going to get better when your war expands beyond your borders, and threatens to consume the world.
We are at that precipice.
Will the press perpetuate the lies that lead to war? Or will they confess their errors and lose money and give the world a chance at peace?
Awesome answer =) I laughed and smiled. You know, it sounds crazy, but in most cases it might be that the left is about queers, etc, while the right is about racism. However, it works only in the worst cases. Usually, the rights are pro-life, while the lefts are pro-choice; the rights are pro-family, and along with it the lefts are pro-free-families, etc. Speaking honestly, I don't know what can gather the lefts, or the rights within their groups, and what are the key statements or ideals they've got. As for me that separation is a nutshell. I don't like when, let's say, a couple of lovers hate each other becuase of that political views. Romeo and Juliette were loving each other despite their families were in hate. This means the love is stronger, than hate, as I presume. God is stronger, than devil. And the good is better, than the bad. There is a purpose of life, and that purpose is God. I am pretty sure, vikings or their descendants never let such things as about youtube or twitter happened. I mean, you know, about three years ago many channels had to move out from yt and twitter. Elon Musk confirmed that the twitter was filled with the lefts of all the sorts. I guess such a state of affairs, when the rights are set against the lefts, yes, this only what may cause is fights and inconvenience for everyone. Why on earth all that mess was set, and by whom? And then whey the feminism turned into a disaster. The feminism was never about to turn women against men. It was about to get some rights. And in was sane at the moment in XIX and in the middle of XX. There were grounded reasons to imply some new laws. Today it seems like all the moods and movements are being involved into some kind of a war of everyone against of everyone. Is this rational a little? No. As for me this is totally horrible. And the firstly it reveals the level of human's calmness - it is broken or ruined. So, I have to agree with you about the early times of Freud and psychology, and also about those sane views on psychology. Year by year after Freud's followers it became less and less comprehensible. Like someone set all those volume handles to maximum. Maybe I'm wrong, because I haven't read directly the book, but I read from other sources that American philosopher John Dewey told something helpful about similar situations. In some of his books he presented an abstract concept of the inter-mediator. That indermediator is anyone who interrupts, intentionally or non-intentionally, into a dialogue of two persons. Dewey, as far as I may presume, thought that two rational agent might agreed on some main questions without any mediators. The government - is one of such inter-mediators, that may access the control over the relationshipt between people, interrupting and then violating those relationships into the way how the govt want it to be. Sometimes it has some fruits, and in some cases such mediating practice is necessary. Of course, it is needed in courtesies and in some other cases as that. But the initiator of the process of interrupting, and the thing of that (the tool) may bring troubles. In any case, that mediator is an important concept that is worth to be viewed and analyzed. My own opinion, is that people stop noticing any possible mediators. And if any process of their (people's) interaction is on, then the main reason of faults in any broken processes of communication may be that not because of the members of the dialogues, but due to the tool. Summarizing all said by me: today the rights and the lefts turned into a nightmare, so I agree with you about the situation. One of main problems of that may come not from the speakers, but from the tools of their communication.
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Post by jonbain on Dec 19, 2022 8:42:14 GMT
Eugene 2.0Its also vital to see that the divide between left and right originates at the french revolution, where the left were republican, and the right supported the monarchy. Of course now the republicans claim to to be the right wing. So I think the division is worthless. Mostly because its absurd to suggest that all human policy issues can be reduced to a binary decision between two groups of self-interested opportunists. Maybe the only real solution is to reinstate the French Monarchy and be done with all this parliament. After all the word 'parliament' is just french for 'talk'. The interesting loophole here is that in about 1939/40 when the nazis were invading france, de gaule declared france to be a part of great britain. So that technically makes Charles king of france as well. Not that I am putting too much high hope on this theory.
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Post by lamburk on Jan 6, 2023 7:44:07 GMT
The basis of left or right wing is economic, in real time, under democratic system, after tyranny of monarchs were replaced. All these things like racism, or LGBT etc are recently developed in these two ideologies. Both left and right wingers have always talked about ideology about who would control the economies.
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Post by jonbain on Feb 3, 2023 7:30:34 GMT
The basis of left or right wing is economic, in real time, under democratic system, after tyranny of monarchs were replaced. All these things like racism, or LGBT etc are recently developed in these two ideologies. Both left and right wingers have always talked about ideology about who would control the economies.
So the right is controlled by nazis and the left by the alphabet people. Best avoid both terms then entirely. Politics today is somewhere between a soap opera and a sitcom.
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