Clovis Merovingian
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 15, 2022 3:06:34 GMT
This video is almost 30 minutes long and may be kind of dull for some people because of the speaker but it's subject matter is fascinating to me. Tall Tales, Westerns, Comic Book Superhero's, and Pulp Heroes have all been called American Mythology and I agree with this. But what's interesting is that all of these things are related to one another. There is a direct line of descent from Tall Tales about frontier folk heroes like Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone to Western Dime Novels after the Civil War, and to the Pulps and Pulp Heroes from the turn of the century to mid 20th century, to comic book superheroes. The Comic Book Superhero (figures like Superman) are directly descended from the other famous icon of American heroism the Western Gunslinger/Cowboy. Anyways, this is explained by the video below.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 15, 2022 9:19:43 GMT
When I read Lovecraft, Machen, or S. King, I always wondered about the mythology behind. I wish I had a Ukrainian translate of American Mythology book. I'm sure there are some.
The video is more about heroes, fiction, and so on. This is a part of mythology, but I never thought that may be close to it.
By the way, I've also seen some crossovers or mixed tales about 1861-1865 the Great war times and near years where there cowboys and big worms (Tremors), cowboys and aliens (Cowboys vs UFO), cowboys and zombies (Dezperados), and so on.
What about living of the citizens in town? I mean calm and peaceful living of the citizens in those times? Their town's legends, their folklore, their habits? I remember I was interested in what cowboy usually ate. I found that that were beans.
Games as Red Dead Redemption or others can tell about this. Some peaceful and quite farmers movies are also about this (Gone With the Wind). And also I like the line in Back to the Future III about the doc, Marty, and that women they'd saved. I remember there was a cartoon Back to the Future about those times. And also one cartoon about a mouse, oh, I forgot his name. Plus to it there was a movie that only reminds of that epoch from that no-cowboy posiiton - Once in the Valley (with Edward Northon). And that no-cowboy style of living can be found in different numerous movies as His Name Was Trinity or The True Grit (1969).
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Clovis Merovingian
Prestige/VIP
Elder
Posts: 2,689
Likes: 1,757
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 15, 2022 17:25:41 GMT
When I read Lovecraft, Machen, or S. King, I always wondered about the mythology behind. I wish I had a Ukrainian translate of American Mythology book. I'm sure there are some. The video is more about heroes, fiction, and so on. This is a part of mythology, but I never thought that may be close to it. By the way, I've also seen some crossovers or mixed tales about 1861-1865 the Great war times and near years where there cowboys and big worms (Tremors), cowboys and aliens (Cowboys vs UFO), cowboys and zombies (Dezperados), and so on. What about living of the citizens in town? I mean calm and peaceful living of the citizens in those times? Their town's legends, their folklore, their habits? I remember I was interested in what cowboy usually ate. I found that that were beans. Games as Red Dead Redemption or others can tell about this. Some peaceful and quite farmers movies are also about this (Gone With the Wind). And also I like the line in Back to the Future III about the doc, Marty, and that women they'd saved. I remember there was a cartoon Back to the Future about those times. And also one cartoon about a mouse, oh, I forgot his name. Plus to it there was a movie that only reminds of that epoch from that no-cowboy posiiton - Once in the Valley (with Edward Northon). And that no-cowboy style of living can be found in different numerous movies as His Name Was Trinity or The True Grit (1969). Oh, yeah some explanation is needed I guess. Literary types in the United States have come to regard Comic Book Superheroes and Westerns as the United States creating it's own body of mythology. In Greek mythology you had the gods and you had heroes. The claim is that Americans seem to have combined the two in the Marvel and DC universes to create a pantheon of god like heroes called superheroes that represent American ideals. As for Westerns they are compared to European knights tales. In the same way Lancelot, El Cid, and Roland come from idealized warriors from the idealized Middle Ages, Westerns have iconic gun slingers in our Wild West period. I guess you'd compare them also to Samurai legends in Japan's and Viking Sagas in Scandinavia as well. Also, you mentioned Gone With the Wind. That has nothing to the Wild West. That is a heavily idealized version of the Antebellum South, my culture. That slavery times are remembered so fondly is it's own kind of myth called by scholars "the plantation myth." Basically a poor defeated South after the Civil War looking back with rose colored glasses at a time when they were part of a rich, cultured, chivalrous, honorable civilization destroyed by uncouth, greedy, and rapacious Yankees. This is exemplified by the quote below. “There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind...” ― Ben Hecht |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 15, 2022 21:45:44 GMT
When I read Lovecraft, Machen, or S. King, I always wondered about the mythology behind. I wish I had a Ukrainian translate of American Mythology book. I'm sure there are some. The video is more about heroes, fiction, and so on. This is a part of mythology, but I never thought that may be close to it. By the way, I've also seen some crossovers or mixed tales about 1861-1865 the Great war times and near years where there cowboys and big worms (Tremors), cowboys and aliens (Cowboys vs UFO), cowboys and zombies (Dezperados), and so on. What about living of the citizens in town? I mean calm and peaceful living of the citizens in those times? Their town's legends, their folklore, their habits? I remember I was interested in what cowboy usually ate. I found that that were beans. Games as Red Dead Redemption or others can tell about this. Some peaceful and quite farmers movies are also about this (Gone With the Wind). And also I like the line in Back to the Future III about the doc, Marty, and that women they'd saved. I remember there was a cartoon Back to the Future about those times. And also one cartoon about a mouse, oh, I forgot his name. Plus to it there was a movie that only reminds of that epoch from that no-cowboy posiiton - Once in the Valley (with Edward Northon). And that no-cowboy style of living can be found in different numerous movies as His Name Was Trinity or The True Grit (1969). Oh, yeah some explanation is needed I guess. Literary types in the United States have come to regard Comic Book Superheroes and Westerns as the United States creating it's own body of mythology. In Greek mythology you had the gods and you had heroes. The claim is that Americans seem to have combined the two in the Marvel and DC universes to create a pantheon of god like heroes called superheroes that represent American ideals. As for Westerns they are compared to European knights tales. In the same way Lancelot, El Cid, and Roland come from idealized warriors from the idealized Middle Ages, Westerns have iconic gun slingers in our Wild West period. I guess you'd compare them also to Samurai legends in Japan's and Viking Sagas in Scandinavia as well. Also, you mentioned Gone With the Wind. That has nothing to the Wild West. That is a heavily idealized version of the Antebellum South, my culture. That slavery times are remembered so fondly is it's own kind of myth called by scholars "the plantation myth." Basically a poor defeated South after the Civil War looking back with rose colored glasses at a time when they were part of a rich, cultured, chivalrous, honorable civilization destroyed by uncouth, greedy, and rapacious Yankees. This is exemplified by the quote below. “There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind...” ― Ben Hecht I haven't read it completely, only made a couple of glances. I'm going to read your comment more deeply a little later. But for a time being I just want to add that my mentioning of Gone With the Wind was not absolutely about slavery or something like that. I did not even take it in my mind. My bad, I don't know the folklore of United States as well as you do, that is why I brand only what I remembered at the moment. Some of my books about history of United States are at the occupied territories, and I cannot get any access to them. (I hope one I will have such a chance.) I've got some in English, but they were written not by historicians, rather by writers: Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) and Jack London. I haven't read the book Gone With the Wind (my mom did), I only watched the movie. But my interest was to see the architecture, manners of speech, characters (behaviour), style, cabs (vehicles), etc. I never paid such a great attention to the ideology. However, if you consider this book/movie to be not good I would rather agree with you, because you know something better, than me about that. |
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Clovis Merovingian
Prestige/VIP
Elder
Posts: 2,689
Likes: 1,757
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 16, 2022 19:29:25 GMT
Oh, yeah some explanation is needed I guess. Literary types in the United States have come to regard Comic Book Superheroes and Westerns as the United States creating it's own body of mythology. In Greek mythology you had the gods and you had heroes. The claim is that Americans seem to have combined the two in the Marvel and DC universes to create a pantheon of god like heroes called superheroes that represent American ideals. As for Westerns they are compared to European knights tales. In the same way Lancelot, El Cid, and Roland come from idealized warriors from the idealized Middle Ages, Westerns have iconic gun slingers in our Wild West period. I guess you'd compare them also to Samurai legends in Japan's and Viking Sagas in Scandinavia as well. Also, you mentioned Gone With the Wind. That has nothing to the Wild West. That is a heavily idealized version of the Antebellum South, my culture. That slavery times are remembered so fondly is it's own kind of myth called by scholars "the plantation myth." Basically a poor defeated South after the Civil War looking back with rose colored glasses at a time when they were part of a rich, cultured, chivalrous, honorable civilization destroyed by uncouth, greedy, and rapacious Yankees. This is exemplified by the quote below. “There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind...” ― Ben Hecht I haven't read it completely, only made a couple of glances. I'm going to read your comment more deeply a little later. But for a time being I just want to add that my mentioning of Gone With the Wind was not absolutely about slavery or something like that. I did not even take it in my mind. My bad, I don't know the folklore of United States as well as you do, that is why I brand only what I remembered at the moment. Some of my books about history of United States are at the occupied territories, and I cannot get any access to them. (I hope one I will have such a chance.) I've got some in English, but they were written not by historicians, rather by writers: Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) and Jack London. I haven't read the book Gone With the Wind (my mom did), I only watched the movie. But my interest was to see the architecture, manners of speech, characters (behaviour), style, cabs (vehicles), etc. I never paid such a great attention to the ideology. However, if you consider this book/movie to be not good I would rather agree with you, because you know something better, than me about that. Oh, no. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with liking Gone With the Wind or that you are pro slavery or anything. I for one love studying the Antebellum South in the same way a Norse person may enjoy studying the Vikings or a Greek person may enjoy studying ancient Athens or Sparta even though these places had slavery and barbarism as well. It's part of my culture and I like you very much enjoy the architecture, the dress, the manners of speech, the aristocratic lifestyle of the planters, the culture, and other such things. I've visited old plantations in my state and Charleston, a city filled with all of this beautiful culture and architecture, is one of if not my most favorite places on earth to visit. I actually hope to live there one day. Gone With the Wind is an American classic that has come under fire lately for depicting the pre civil war South in such romantic and idealized terms following the plantation myth, but these are the same fools renaming schools named after Abraham Lincoln because Lincoln was, "racist." In other words, they are political puritans who need to sit down, shut up, and enjoy the bloody movie, and stop bringing politics into everything. Gone With the Wind amounts to being the Southern national epic. |
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