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Post by Sonny on Jan 2, 2022 19:16:16 GMT
Pious pakistanis (quite possibly the ugliest race of people to ever exist) torture a Sri Lankan factory manager to death and set him on fire. They beat Priyanka Kumara for 2 hours and break every single bone in his body, save for his foot, then set him ablaze. I tried to watch the video clips of his torture, but I couldn't stomach it and had to stop. At one point in one of the clips, they are dragging his (what I initially thought was his life less) swollen body by the feet and a pious muslim pakistani smashes a large cement brick on his face and Priyanka instantly juts his arm in a delayed reaction to protect his face. At that point I had to stop watching. The pakistani crowd was cheering on and some among them were taking selfies as Priyanka was being tortured to death. There is no reason to believe that Priyanka Kumara had died when they set him on fire.
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Post by Sonny on Jan 10, 2022 4:45:14 GMT
What does me saying I'm an Orthodox Christian have anything to do with making an appeal to authority? Because it adds absolutely nothing to the conversation and such statements are generally used (among juvenile debaters and sophists, and hired cyber propaganda bots/shills) to influence naive people into believing it gives the speaker some sort of authority and credibility on the subject. It does not and that is why I had to call you out on that. (As I mentioned, I have seen this strategy used time and time again especially by pakistan government muslim bots/shills to disseminate disinformation and propaganda.) Also the no true Scotsman fallacy argument of yours is an obvious straw man argument. Its completely natural to think that because you made the claim that "radical islam" is distinct from "moderate islam" that you therefore meant that '"radical islam" is not real islam' (especially considering that this happens to be a typical islamic apologist argument). So, sure you can now claim that you meant something else, but it's not a strawman on my part. I'm not trying to say that radical Muslims aren't 'true Muslims' only that they aren't mainstream Muslims. If both of your alleged groups, the radicals and the mainstream, are muslims, then simply giving a different title to these muslim groups changes nothing. If we go by the dictionary definition of radical, it means it's 'new, basic views of islam that are not shared by the majority of practitioners of that religion' (which is completely false): www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/radicalNot only is the idea that only a minority of muslims hold to those 'radical' islamic views/teachings completely false, but if you claim that the views of radicals and moderates don't contradict each other then you prove my meme art as true (and admit that islam is indeed a religion of violence and savagery). (On the other hand, if you claim that they do contradict each other, then you are forced to select one version as true and the radicals as false and it again becomes a 'no true Scotsman'.) For example, in most traditional islamic countries the majority of muslims favor the death penalty as punishment for apostasy. According to pew statistics, 76% of the muslims in pakistan favor the death penalty for apostasy. instead of trying to whip out fallacy cards you don't know how to use If you're going to continue to make fallacious arguments, then I'm going to call you out on it. But yeah you go ahead and cry about it some more, see if that changes anything. Also there is such a thing as radical and mainstream Christianity. Bollocks. There is no such thing as radical and mainstream Christianity. The Ku Klux Klan was an example of radical Christianity, The Gunpowder plot of 1605 was an example of christian extremism, The Army of God is a Christian terrorist organization. Nobody has bombed London more than the IRA Bollocks again. The Ku Klux Klan has absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity. Ditto the Army of God (who break the fundamental tenets of Christianity by committing murder) and IRA (a group or ideology whose motivations are entirely political, not religious). Moreover, these groups that you're listing, like the kkk, are comprised of and supported by less than .01% of the Christian population. Whereas, the muslims that you call 'radical' are not a minority population (in fact they're the majority in traditional muslim countries) and they're following the teachings of their prophet mohammed to the letter. Mohammed taught his followers to treat non muslims with contempt and as second class citizens. Some of the islamic holy texts pertinent to the torture and killing of Priyantha for blasphemy are: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,Quran 5:33Narrated Anas: Some people of the tribe of 'Ukl and 'Uraina arrived at Medina to meet the Prophet and embraced Islam and said, "O Allah's Prophet! We are the owners of milch livestock (i.e. bedouins) and not farmers (i.e. countrymen)." They found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So Allah's Apostle ordered that they should be provided with some milch camels and a shepherd and ordered them to go out of Medina and to drink the camels' milk and urine (as medicine) So they set out and when they reached Al-Harra, they reverted to Heathenism after embracing Islam, and killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away the camels. When this news reached the Prophet, he sent some people in pursuit of them. (So they were caught and brought back to the Prophet ). The Prophet gave his orders in their concern. So their eyes were branded with pieces of iron and their hands and legs were cut off and they were left away in Harra till they died in that state of theirs. Sahih Bukhari 5:59:505pakistani muslims didn't dismember Priyantha like your pedophile prophet did to those tribesmen by blinding, then cutting off their hands and feet, but at this point I'm not sure they didn't get the better deal. They might have suffered less. paki muslims beat Priyantha so much and for so long that they broke every single bone in Priyantha's body and turned it into mush. And this is why you'll find me calling out your prophet mohammed fir being a degenerate pedophile and you're just going to have to deal with it.
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Post by KGrim on Jan 10, 2022 11:45:03 GMT
SonnyWell I pinky promise that I'm not a paid pakistani shill and it certainly is true that I'm just an amateur debater so forgive me for the gross miscarriage in the holy most reverend art of debate of letting you know that I'm not muslim so I don't really have a personal stake in defending moderate islam from what I think are unjust characterizations. No. You made an assumption. You thought you could get me with the no true scotsman when I wasn't using the no true scotsman so its still a straw-man. It seemed like a rationally compelling argument on your end but it did not deductively follow. Giving titles do not reform behavior but reformed behavior can earn you a better title. Well I'm given an interesting choice here. I'm very tempted to say YES they do contradict each other and moderate Islam is the true Islam for the very purpose of gladly watching yourself shoot yourself in the foot the the reason below . . . This is the no true Scotsman argument. Same exact thing. And on what authority do you say they're breaking the fundamental tenets of Christianity!? Are you Orthodox or Catholic? If not your protestant and protestants believe in sola scriptura effectively making their own personal interpretation of the bible their sole authority. These guys may not be part of your particular denomination but according to their denomination that doesn't make them any less Christian. Now if you're Catholic or Orthodox you could say that these guys are violating the fundamental tenets of Christianity based on the authority of the church and say they shouldn't be called Christians but why stop there? Shouldn't that apply to ALL Protestants moderate or radical? Yet Catholics and Orthodox usually don't dare say a moderate protestant is not a christian. If thats the case then why can't we call radical christians...christians? Cause they violate the fundamental tenets of christianity? According to what authority? Yours? No true scotsman indeed. Sheesh. So much frikkin heat! And you keep on saying "Your" prophet Muhammad. He's not my prophet
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 10, 2022 11:59:17 GMT
KGrim What you said about the Ku Klux Klan and Christianity, it definitely makes sense ... this movement arose among WASP people who positioned themselves as advocates of 'Christian values' in the South of the United States (Dixie)..Of course, this is incompatible with real Christian values, but for the people of that time, everything seemed within the framework of the Christian religion ..As for Islam, there is liberal or cultural Islam .. it is mainly widespread in post-Soviet countries .. this is when people say that they are culturally Muslim (because their ancestors were Muslim) but these people themselves drink alcohol, eat pork and even prohibit some of the Koran's suras as extremist.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Jan 10, 2022 16:44:34 GMT
The Third World War Will Be Fought Against the Third World The Latin America Indigenees were a subhuman species that came to the Americas as bandits on the run. Kicked out of Asia by an evolved human species, they continued their feral ways here, wandering from place to place, looting and wiping out other tribes, never developing anything out of the Americas' immense natural resources. A hideout is not a homeland; they never belonged here and the Whites justifiably treated them as fugitives from justice. This Mongoloid species, protected by degenerate heiristocrats, is what the Great Wall of China was built for—to protect civilization from evolution's sore losers. The Spaniards came from a civilized race and realized that people who act like wild animals need to be tamed. Their real crime was Birth-Class Supremacy; they should have invited their oppressed birth-classes to start a new life here, removing the Indigenees away from the productive areas.
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Post by Sonny on Jan 10, 2022 17:15:56 GMT
KGrim What you said about the Ku Klux Klan and Christianity, it definitely makes sense ... this movement arose among WASP people who positioned themselves as advocates of 'Christian values' in the South of the United States (Dixie)..Of course, this is incompatible with real Christian values, but for the people of that time, everything seemed within the framework of the Christian religion KKK has absolutely nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity. KKK was never within the framework of the Christian religion. Their beliefs and practices completely contradict Christian teachings. The onus is on you to prove otherwise. Your post just says you agree with him but you explain nothing. KGrim As for Islam, there is liberal or cultural Islam .. it is mainly widespread in post-Soviet countries .. this is when people say that they are culturally Muslim (because their ancestors were Muslim) but these people themselves drink alcohol, eat pork and even prohibit some of the Koran's suras as extremist. Okay, so in other words, those cultural muslims are not actually practicing and following the actual teachings of islam which are extremist, violent and dangerous. Thanks for making my point.
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Post by Sonny on Jan 10, 2022 20:29:45 GMT
Well I pinky promise that I'm not a paid pakistani shill and it certainly is true that I'm just an amateur debater so forgive me for the gross miscarriage in the holy most reverend art of debate of letting you know that I'm not muslim so I don't really have a personal stake in defending moderate islam from what I think are unjust characterizations. It's the duck-test. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_testThe test implies that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics. It is sometimes used to counter abstruse arguments that something is not what it appears to be.
What are the chances that a self professing "Christian" would criticize Christianity and argue in favor of islam using traditional (but typical highly fallacious) islamic apologetic arguments (arguments that also question the legitimacy of Christianity itself)? I also don't see why you feel the need to defend against and deflect the idea that you are a paid pakistani shill / bot (unless of course, if you were one and are doing PR damage control) since there is absolutely no way for you to prove that you are not a shill. Yeah, I don't think you're doing very well. I'd say I've got you dangling by the balls. You thought you could get me with the no true scotsman when I wasn't using the no true scotsman You ARE using a 'no true Scotsman' and I DID get you when you were forced to admit that "YES they do contradict each other and moderate Islam is the true Islam" (which is a claim that is completely false as I already demonstrated in the quran and hadith passages I quoted). This is the no true Scotsman argument. Same exact thing. Unless you're suggesting that who is and is not a Christian is completely arbitary, I'm not making a 'no true Scotsman'. Because the teachings of Christianity (and islam) are not subjective. How well one follows the fundamental beliefs and teachings laid out in the Bible through Christ is what makes that person a Christian. Ditto for islam, where the pedophile prophet mohammed's teachings and practices as laid out in the quran and hadiths defines whether he is or is not a practicing muslim. Thus, your so called moderate muslims are not following mohammed's teachings. You are operating under a 'false equivalence', a fallacy, where you're indirectly implying that Christianity and islam espouse the same moral principles, beliefs and practices (which is completely false). That, if islam promotes violence and savagery, that it must also be true of Christianity. That is an entirely false premise. The truth is that mohammed's islamic teachings are violent and savage. And the teachings of Christ in the Bible are not violent or savage. And on what authority do you say they're breaking the fundamental tenets of Christianity!? I don't need any special authority, mohammaddan. I can read the Bible and follow the example that Christ's has laid out.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jan 10, 2022 22:22:38 GMT
Well I pinky promise that I'm not a paid pakistani shill and it certainly is true that I'm just an amateur debater so forgive me for the gross miscarriage in the holy most reverend art of debate of letting you know that I'm not muslim so I don't really have a personal stake in defending moderate islam from what I think are unjust characterizations. It's the duck-test. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_testThe test implies that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics. It is sometimes used to counter abstruse arguments that something is not what it appears to be.
What are the chances that a self professing "Christian" would criticize Christianity and argue in favor of islam using traditional (but typical highly fallacious) islamic apologetic arguments (arguments that also question the legitimacy of Christianity itself)? I also don't see why you feel the need to defend against and deflect the idea that you are a paid pakistani shill / bot (unless of course, if you were one and are doing PR damage control) since there is absolutely no way for you to prove that you are not a shill. Yeah, I don't think you're doing very well. I'd say I've got you dangling by the balls. You thought you could get me with the no true scotsman when I wasn't using the no true scotsman You ARE using a 'no true Scotsman' and I DID get you when you were forced to admit that "YES they do contradict each other and moderate Islam is the true Islam" (which is a claim that is completely false as I already demonstrated in the quran and hadith passages I quoted). This is the no true Scotsman argument. Same exact thing. Unless you're suggesting that who is and is not a Christian is completely arbitary, I'm not making a 'no true Scotsman'. Because the teachings of Christianity (and islam) are not subjective. How well one follows the fundamental beliefs and teachings laid out in the Bible through Christ is what makes that person a Christian. Ditto for islam, where the pedophile prophet mohammed's teachings and practices as laid out in the quran and hadiths defines whether he is or is not a practicing muslim. Thus, your so called moderate muslims are not following mohammed's teachings. You are operating under a 'false equivalence', a fallacy, where you're indirectly implying that Christianity and islam espouse the same moral principles, beliefs and practices (which is completely false). That, if islam promotes violence and savagery, that it must also be true of Christianity. That is an entirely false premise. The truth is that mohammed's islamic teachings are violent and savage. And the teachings of Christ in the Bible are not violent or savage. And on what authority do you say they're breaking the fundamental tenets of Christianity!? I don't need any special authority, mohammaddan. I can read the Bible and follow the example that Christ's has laid out. I agree with you on Islam but KGrim is not a Pakistani. He used to post on this forum 2 years ago. He's legit.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jan 10, 2022 22:41:44 GMT
KGrim What you said about the Ku Klux Klan and Christianity, it definitely makes sense ... this movement arose among WASP people who positioned themselves as advocates of 'Christian values' in the South of the United States (Dixie)..Of course, this is incompatible with real Christian values, but for the people of that time, everything seemed within the framework of the Christian religion ..As for Islam, there is liberal or cultural Islam .. it is mainly widespread in post-Soviet countries .. this is when people say that they are culturally Muslim (because their ancestors were Muslim) but these people themselves drink alcohol, eat pork and even prohibit some of the Koran's suras as extremist. The Ku Klux Klan originated in Central Tennessee and those people are of Scots-Irish (what you in Europe call Ulster Scots) ancestral and cultural heritage not English WASP. That's where the, "klan" part of the name comes from as well as the burning of the cross which originated in a Sir Walter Scott novel about Scottish Highlanders. There are generally two different parts of the South, the Upland/Greater Appalachia Yeoman farmer South which is Scots-Irish culturally, and the Lowland or Deep "plantation" South (where I'm from) which is culturally Anglo-Norman. In my state during reconstruction the Klan was most active in the Upstate region of South Carolina which is part of the Scots-Irish Upland South. The original Ku Klux Klan had two goals 1. to restore white supremacy in the South and 2. Drive the Yankees out of the occupied South and defeat reconstruction (both of which they achieved). The original reconstruction klan was about white supremacy, not Anglo-Saxon supremacy. It was the second Klan revived in the early 20th century following D.W Griffith's film Birth of a Nation that was about Anglo-Saxon supremacy because the Klan had gone national and moved to the North and Northerners were not contending with black people but instead Irish and Italian Catholics, Jews, Slavs and other immigrants that were anathema to the Anglo-Saxon Puritan protestant ethos of much of the region. The United States is composed of very different cultural regions based on who settled there first and not all of these regions are of English or even British heritage.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jan 10, 2022 22:49:24 GMT
Can you really cherry pick the worst that happens in the muslim world and generalize that the whole muslim world is like this? There is mainstream Islam and radical Islam just like there is mainstream Christianity and radical Christianity. I'm an Orthodox Christian and I'm not for Islam but I'm not for misrepresenting it by picking out the worst instances that happen among islamic adherents or those who claim to be. Have you ever read the Quran? You can say that not all Muslims are terrorists but the problem is that Muhammad himself was a terrorist. Islam spread by the sword and much of it spread by the sword he held in his hand. That's the difference between Islam and Christianity. When the KKK, or the Lord's Resistance Army, or the IRA commits some heinous act (usually for some political reason not related to Christianity) they are not following the example of Jesus of Nazereth, but when a Muslim commits a horrific act like the one this topic is about, they are absolutely following the example of their prophet. That fact that they got two hundred Pakistani's to get together to commit this horrific deed in the name of their religion should tell you everything. I don't think you could get two hundred Christians together today to do something like this in the name of Jesus.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jan 10, 2022 22:56:31 GMT
What does me saying I'm an Orthodox Christian have anything to do with making an appeal to authority? Also the no true Scotsman fallacy argument of yours is an obvious straw man argument. I'm not trying to say that radical Muslims aren't 'true Muslims' only that they aren't mainstream Muslims. There is a difference between mainstream Islam and radical Islam, though you could help yourself better by pointing out how radical Islam is becoming more mainstream than moderate Islam instead of trying to whip out fallacy cards you don't know how to use. Also there is such a thing as radical and mainstream Christianity. The Ku Klux Klan was an example of radical Christianity, The Gunpowder plot of 1605 was an example of christian extremism, The Army of God is a Christian terrorist organization. Nobody has bombed London more than the IRA (Irish Catholic terrorists).Spanish conquistadors were perfect example of this kind of terrorizing the native population. The entire latino people are now cut off from their roots. Yes, that's the point, that how radical islam is turning into main stream islam. But, if you look carefully, majority of muslims are rather poor,so from where they get these weapons ,and also, how do they join such outfits? Sure, there's more than pointing fingers at foot soldiers. There are lot of terrorist organizations in african nations too. Most of the Latino population in Latin America, even the Mestizos of mixed descent, are of majority Spanish descent. They are not cut off from their heritage, they are living out their heritage daily. The actual unmixed Natives of their country mostly retain their culture and live as second class citizens. Latin America is a fundamentally European cultural area and in Mexico, for instance, the left overs from their Aztec heritage are remnants of barbarism like the Santa Muerte human sacrifice cult and should be done away with.
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Post by Sonny on Jan 10, 2022 23:52:27 GMT
It's the duck-test. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_testThe test implies that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics. It is sometimes used to counter abstruse arguments that something is not what it appears to be.
What are the chances that a self professing "Christian" would criticize Christianity and argue in favor of islam using traditional (but typical highly fallacious) islamic apologetic arguments (arguments that also question the legitimacy of Christianity itself)? I also don't see why you feel the need to defend against and deflect the idea that you are a paid pakistani shill / bot (unless of course, if you were one and are doing PR damage control) since there is absolutely no way for you to prove that you are not a shill. Yeah, I don't think you're doing very well. I'd say I've got you dangling by the balls. You ARE using a 'no true Scotsman' and I DID get you when you were forced to admit that "YES they do contradict each other and moderate Islam is the true Islam" (which is a claim that is completely false as I already demonstrated in the quran and hadith passages I quoted). Unless you're suggesting that who is and is not a Christian is completely arbitary, I'm not making a 'no true Scotsman'. Because the teachings of Christianity (and islam) are not subjective. How well one follows the fundamental beliefs and teachings laid out in the Bible through Christ is what makes that person a Christian. Ditto for islam, where the pedophile prophet mohammed's teachings and practices as laid out in the quran and hadiths defines whether he is or is not a practicing muslim. Thus, your so called moderate muslims are not following mohammed's teachings. You are operating under a 'false equivalence', a fallacy, where you're indirectly implying that Christianity and islam espouse the same moral principles, beliefs and practices (which is completely false). That, if islam promotes violence and savagery, that it must also be true of Christianity. That is an entirely false premise. The truth is that mohammed's islamic teachings are violent and savage. And the teachings of Christ in the Bible are not violent or savage. I don't need any special authority, mohammaddan. I can read the Bible and follow the example that Christ's has laid out. I agree with you on Islam but KGrim is not a Paki. He used to post on this forum 2 years ago. He's legit. Yes, the subject of islam is far more important than who KGrim is or isn't. KGrim could be a convicted terrorist or child molestor or a morally upstanding citizen and still be right or wrong about islam. Who he is, shouldn't take away from or add to his credibility (the latter is why I felt it necessary to point out that he was making what seemed like an appeal to authority). That said, Pakistan government bots / shills have been trolling internet forums to spread disinformation for 10+ years now. They're in it for the long game, so again, the age of the poster does not really add to the credability of the poster. (For example, anthroscape and human biodiversity had a lot of muslim shills. The and anthro even now have many paid pakistan bot posters).
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Post by KGrim on Jan 11, 2022 0:37:51 GMT
Can you really cherry pick the worst that happens in the muslim world and generalize that the whole muslim world is like this? There is mainstream Islam and radical Islam just like there is mainstream Christianity and radical Christianity. I'm an Orthodox Christian and I'm not for Islam but I'm not for misrepresenting it by picking out the worst instances that happen among islamic adherents or those who claim to be. Have you ever read the Quran? You can say that not all Muslims are terrorists but the problem is that Muhammad himself was a terrorist. Islam spread by the sword and much of it spread by the sword he held in his hand. That's the difference between Islam and Christianity. When the KKK, or the Lord's Resistance Army, or the IRA commits some heinous act (usually for some political reason not related to Christianity) they are not following the example of Jesus of Nazereth, but when a Muslim commits a horrific act like the one this topic is about, they are absolutely following the example of their prophet. That fact that they got two hundred Pakistani's to get together to commit this horrific deed in the name of their religion should tell you everything. I don't think you could get two hundred Christians together today to do something like this in the name of Jesus. I've read a good chunk of the Quran but its been a while since I have done that. I know Muhammad used the sword but from what I know in the Quran (please correct me if I'm wrong) the only warfare permitted is defensive warfare. There is no room for a preemptive strike in Islam. If the enemy inclines towards peace the Quran demands that the believers incline toward peace as well. So its really arguable that these folks who did this horrible thing were following the example of their prophet. These people who did this to this man I would argue are simply ignorant of what their religion is really teaching because they are misled by bad information and bad interpretation about the Quran. You could quote the famous "Sword Verses" but from what I've learned these are all taken out of context just like how critics of Christianity take certain things out of context in the bible. I think if we want people to understand our holy book and apply themselves to know the correct interpretation of the hard sections we should be willing to do so with the holy book of another faith.
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Post by KGrim on Jan 11, 2022 0:39:09 GMT
SonnyYou take yourself way too seriously man.
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Post by Sonny on Jan 11, 2022 1:06:19 GMT
I know Muhammad used the sword but from what I know in the Quran (please correct me if I'm wrong) the only warfare permitted is defensive warfare. How can you still argue that violence in islam is only defensive when I quoted these passages from the koran and hadiths in one of my first response to you: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,Quran 5:33Narrated Anas: Some people of the tribe of 'Ukl and 'Uraina arrived at Medina to meet the Prophet and embraced Islam and said, "O Allah's Prophet! We are the owners of milch livestock (i.e. bedouins) and not farmers (i.e. countrymen)." They found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So Allah's Apostle ordered that they should be provided with some milch camels and a shepherd and ordered them to go out of Medina and to drink the camels' milk and urine (as medicine) So they set out and when they reached Al-Harra, they reverted to Heathenism after embracing Islam, and killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away the camels. When this news reached the Prophet, he sent some people in pursuit of them. (So they were caught and brought back to the Prophet ). The Prophet gave his orders in their concern. So their eyes were branded with pieces of iron and their hands and legs were cut off and they were left away in Harra till they died in that state of theirs.
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:505 WTF man.. do even try to read people's replies to you or do you stick your head into the sand and continue copy pasting islamic apologetics?
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Post by Sonny on Jan 11, 2022 1:13:55 GMT
Sonny You take yourself way too seriously man. I take what happened to Priyantha Kumara very seriously.
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