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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 11, 2021 13:59:20 GMT
As a medium I mean any priests or persons which perform any sacrament functions. I'm asking it, because I think that there might be mediums, and I guess sometimes we can choose persons who are better, than us in some practice, so why to reject medium or priests?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 23, 2021 7:30:59 GMT
Clovis Merovingian When the old and new testaments disagree, it is the new that must prevail.
But it CAN be dangerous. That is not the same as it is ALWAYS dangerous. If your mind is in a state of purity, ghosts cannot harm you. Those that fear spirits, are reflecting their own subconscious spirituality. Did Jesus die on the cross? Are we not told to pray to him? Jesus is the vital medium between man and God. To reject mediums, is to enslave yourself in the material world. You are leaving out a very important part of this equation. The reason mediums are banned in the Old Testament is that mediums are dealing with forces outside of God (the Canaanite deities as all pagan deities are real demonic beings) to contact the dead and are screwing with forces that they shouldn't mess with and don't understand. Jesus is God in the flesh and on the mount of trans configuration he's talking to his prophets come down from heaven. This isn't what mediums are doing by any stretch. Humans have no ability by themselves to do magic or talk to the dead, they need to commune with spiritual forces to do that. As for Jesus dying on a cross and us praying to him. Three days later he rose from the dead and later he ascended alive into heaven. We worship a living God, not a dead one.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 23, 2021 7:44:04 GMT
But, to put you and Elizabeth's debate to rest these are all the Bible verses on mediums. www.openbible.info/topics/mediumsAs you can see, God is very much against mediums and sorcerers. These people contacting the dead and dealing in magic are screwing around with spiritual forces that they do not understand. My father tells me that one of the moments of his life that unnerved him the most was when he was in a room with people screwing with a Ouija board. Contacting the dead is evil and people should stay away from it. And despite this, Jesus Christ Himself allowed some apostles to do exorcism, and on the fiftieth day of His Ancension the Father send the Holy Spirit. Plus, remember the sorcerers and magicians who came to knee before Christ? Why God allowed them to bless the little Jesus? I think that Christianity is not non-spiritual; I'd say that Christianity is one of the most spiritual religion ever. There are numerous examples in Bible where the spiritual powers are being used; while the link Mr. Clovis and Ms. Elizabeth have given has just one ambiguous quote from the Bible. And moreover, I was talking about the mediums in a more wider sense, including priests. Yes, Christians do exorcisms, they have the Holy Spirit which in some people allows them to do miracles, the three wise men were not sorcerers they were Persian Magi that practiced astrology and looked for signs in the stars. Yes, Christianity is a very spiritual religion, I pray to God often and often he answers by telling me things and making things happen for me. Other times he tells me no because what I asked was not in his will. Christianity has a huge spiritual element to it. I would refer you to Christian Near Eastern scholar Michael S. Heiser's book the Unseen Realm which describes the spiritual realm as perceived by ancient Israelites and the first Christians, or watch the series by another Christian Near Eastern Scholar named Tim Mackie of the Bible Project called Spiritual Beings.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 23, 2021 9:30:58 GMT
Elizabeth said that the Old Testament was irrelevant to the Protestants. Some of traditions as circumcision were cancelled. So, I don't know. But the Old Testament is the word of G-d(YHWH) ... Hmm. Interesting.. G-d? Why not God??... confused1
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 23, 2021 9:37:47 GMT
And despite this, Jesus Christ Himself allowed some apostles to do exorcism, and on the fiftieth day of His Ancension the Father send the Holy Spirit. Plus, remember the sorcerers and magicians who came to knee before Christ? Why God allowed them to bless the little Jesus? I think that Christianity is not non-spiritual; I'd say that Christianity is one of the most spiritual religion ever. There are numerous examples in Bible where the spiritual powers are being used; while the link Mr. Clovis and Ms. Elizabeth have given has just one ambiguous quote from the Bible. And moreover, I was talking about the mediums in a more wider sense, including priests. Yes, Christians do exorcisms, they have the Holy Spirit which in some people allows them to do miracles, the three wise men were not sorcerers they were Persian Magi that practiced astrology and looked for signs in the stars. Yes, Christianity is a very spiritual religion, I pray to God often and often he answers by telling me things and making things happen for me. Other times he tells me no because what I asked was not in his will. Christianity has a huge spiritual element to it. I would refer you to Christian Near Eastern scholar Michael S. Heiser's book the Unseen Realm which describes the spiritual realm as perceived by ancient Israelites and the first Christians, or watch the series by another Christian Near Eastern Scholar named Tim Mackie of the Bible Project called Spiritual Beings. You know, I think here we've got the same that about the culture differentiation or the cultural plurality. 'Spirituality' in East is almost the same as 'Rationality' in West. Honestly, I think not being completely Eastern I think at least partially I can find the similarities between these two words. In Russell's "Wise of the West" there are kinda similar speculations about this (by Russell, of course) that in the Ancient Greece similar affairs were held between naturalphilosopher as Empedocles and Pythagoras (an island Samos), while more rational were from Anaxagoras and Parmenides (from an island Ealea). And almost the same problem raises when the disputes about the problem of the Holy Trinity between Fathers of Church (IV-VI). I mean that there are more tiny and detailed problems that we could never solve. Anyway, I guess that there is no so much differences between practicing understanding or interpreting signs as those Magis did, and spiritual acts as it's been understood by many in East. (This scene is going on in the Near East). Anyway, I think there are more unusual underlined between two this notions. I think we should work to find similarities, not differentiations.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 23, 2021 11:07:35 GMT
But the Old Testament is the word of G-d(YHWH) ... Hmm. Interesting.. G-d? Why not God??... I parody Jews.)))
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Post by jonbain on Jul 23, 2021 11:20:25 GMT
Clovis Merovingian When the old and new testaments disagree, it is the new that must prevail.
But it CAN be dangerous. That is not the same as it is ALWAYS dangerous. If your mind is in a state of purity, ghosts cannot harm you. Those that fear spirits, are reflecting their own subconscious spirituality. Did Jesus die on the cross? Are we not told to pray to him? Jesus is the vital medium between man and God. To reject mediums, is to enslave yourself in the material world. You are leaving out a very important part of this equation. The reason mediums are banned in the Old Testament is that mediums are dealing with forces outside of God (the Canaanite deities as all pagan deities are real demonic beings) to contact the dead and are screwing with forces that they shouldn't mess with and don't understand. Jesus is God in the flesh and on the mount of trans configuration he's talking to his prophets come down from heaven. This isn't what mediums are doing by any stretch. Humans have no ability by themselves to do magic or talk to the dead, they need to commune with spiritual forces to do that. As for Jesus dying on a cross and us praying to him. Three days later he rose from the dead and later he ascended alive into heaven. We worship a living God, not a dead one. Its a semantic issue too. The opening post is actually referring to priests and such as mediums. And you are right that such capacity requires more than just the intent of the person communing. Its a 2-way process. But my point remains that if your intent is pure, then nothing can harm you. But those that try this with worldly gain as the goal, are going to invoke spirits on a base level. Mary herself communes with Gabriel too. Thus Gabriel acts as the 'medium' between her and God.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 23, 2021 11:29:00 GMT
You are leaving out a very important part of this equation. The reason mediums are banned in the Old Testament is that mediums are dealing with forces outside of God (the Canaanite deities as all pagan deities are real demonic beings) to contact the dead and are screwing with forces that they shouldn't mess with and don't understand. Jesus is God in the flesh and on the mount of trans configuration he's talking to his prophets come down from heaven. This isn't what mediums are doing by any stretch. Humans have no ability by themselves to do magic or talk to the dead, they need to commune with spiritual forces to do that. As for Jesus dying on a cross and us praying to him. Three days later he rose from the dead and later he ascended alive into heaven. We worship a living God, not a dead one. Its a semantic issue too. The opening post is actually referring to priests and such as mediums. And you are right that such capacity requires more than just the intent of the person communing. Its a 2-way process. But my point remains that if your intent is pure, then nothing can harm you. But those that try this with worldly gain as the goal, are going to invoke spirits on a base level. Mary herself communes with Gabriel too. Thus Gabriel acts as the 'medium' between her and God. There have always been mediators .. In addition, they have always not only represented YHWH , but also had the holiness in themselves that comes from him. Well this is a long theological lesson.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 23, 2021 11:32:37 GMT
And despite this, Jesus Christ Himself allowed some apostles to do exorcism, and on the fiftieth day of His Ancension the Father send the Holy Spirit. Plus, remember the sorcerers and magicians who came to knee before Christ? Why God allowed them to bless the little Jesus? I think that Christianity is not non-spiritual; I'd say that Christianity is one of the most spiritual religion ever. There are numerous examples in Bible where the spiritual powers are being used; while the link Mr. Clovis and Ms. Elizabeth have given has just one ambiguous quote from the Bible. And moreover, I was talking about the mediums in a more wider sense, including priests. Yes, Christians do exorcisms, they have the Holy Spirit which in some people allows them to do miracles, the three wise men were not sorcerers they were Persian Magi that practiced astrology and looked for signs in the stars. Yes, Christianity is a very spiritual religion, I pray to God often and often he answers by telling me things and making things happen for me. Other times he tells me no because what I asked was not in his will. Christianity has a huge spiritual element to it. I would refer you to Christian Near Eastern scholar Michael S. Heiser's book the Unseen Realm which describes the spiritual realm as perceived by ancient Israelites and the first Christians, or watch the series by another Christian Near Eastern Scholar named Tim Mackie of the Bible Project called Spiritual Beings. There's something I'd like to add too. Recently a thought came to my mind, a thought about love. The reason is that more spiritual sometimes in the East is almost the same is truly love. You know, like a Platonic love. Here, mostly much more important is that whether you do love a girl; and it doesn't really matter whether you've slept with her. So, more important have you presented your heart to your beloved part or have not. That's why in the East love about what Christ talked more closer to that love. And I can't say that the Western or the Easter understanding of love is correct. What I do believe is that we both are presumably wrong. It would be too much for us (West & East) to think that we do know what God has said etc. Who can claim that know that he knows what the wisdom is?
"Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him"
(Corinthians 1st 1: 22-29)
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Post by jonbain on Jul 23, 2021 14:05:38 GMT
Eugene 2.0The word 'love' has become debased from its intended meaning. It became subverted into a act via marriage. We could try use 'Joy' instead, but then they'll just subvert that one too.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 23, 2021 15:58:45 GMT
Eugene 2.0The word 'love' has become debased from its intended meaning. It became subverted into a act via marriage. We could try use 'Joy' instead, but then they'll just subvert that one too. Perhaps, it is. All I can say that here – in the villages far out of towns (I hope such villages still exist) – there are old traditional rituals and practices, and those practices suppose both love parts being in platonic love. I mean that such traditions are still alive. And those traditions existed before the great baptization into Christianity at the end of IX c. Those times the predecessors of Slavs also respected virginity-before-marriage traditions and monogamy. In towns the modern youth act differently, and I suppose it's problematic to find out what their views are. Anyway, the students I spoke with (I speak only to a part of them, surely, and it's really not enough quantity to make a clear conclusion) said that they also didn't like some modern trends, however many youths hold the views the media imposed to them. What I was trying to say by it? I wanted to say that the media provides a terrible and destructive influence on language. If the old villagers can have the old traditions they keep the old language too. By the way, that's I'm almost all the time worrying speaking English. Because my "style" is something terrible and by this style I may spoil someone. You know, it's like a bad manners during the dinner, etc... :(
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Post by jonbain on Jul 23, 2021 19:20:44 GMT
Eugene 2.0I often wonder if you want me to correct your English? Sometime people find it a bit rude to be corrected all the time. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines anyway. I live in a country where only 2% of the population speak English as a first language, but it is the official language anyway. We have 12 other 'official' languages too. (Yes, that makes no sense, ). I once got violently attacked by a mob of policemen for saying "you are not a law unto yourself", which they thought meant "you are not the law", but it really means "you are not allowed to make up your own laws!" In my ideal society, the age of consent is 25 years.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 23, 2021 19:48:21 GMT
Eugene 2.0 I often wonder if you want me to correct your English? Sometime people find it a bit rude to be corrected all the time. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines anyway. I live in a country where only 2% of the population speak English as a first language, but it is the official language anyway. We have 12 other 'official' languages too. (Yes, that makes no sense, lol). I once got violently attacked by a mob of policemen for saying "you are not a law unto yourself", which they thought meant "you are not the law", but it really means "you are not allowed to make up your own laws!" In my ideal society, the age of consent is 25 years. Jonathan, it would be absolutely perfect and the best of the best help!!! Any of your corrections would be totally accepted by me! I see how many faults I do in English, and even see how could I group them. And I guess that the most necessary help for me is a psychological one. That's why even critics for me would be good. I think that there are a) lots of grammar mistakes, i.e. I spoil many rules, or don't know them properly, or haven't read about them; b) lots of contextual mistakes, i.e. I don't pay attention which word I use, for which context, and so on; c) style; I repeat over and over again almost the same patterns. A person who reads me can read my thoughts even faster, than the text. I guess there are lots of work, and it has to be started somewhere in my mind; d) not using of short good and practical phrases we can meet in brief dictionaries. I've been told that there are some dictionaries, and that I must use such short and usable words, but I... I'm to addicted to my usage of English... Anyway, any help of yours would be super cool!!! I really appreciate you for proposing me some help here! P.S. You mentioned people which might turn mad when somebody would start correcting them. I'm definitely not of those persons, but I am in the other category. I'm of those people hesitate; I think that if you would correct me you could spend your precious time for not a worth thing. And this is what I'm always find to be sad for me. I mean I don't want somebody would suffer, because of me. I'd rather become a lazy one and the life itself makes me do something.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 24, 2021 5:51:08 GMT
Eugene 2.0 I often wonder if you want me to correct your English? Sometime people find it a bit rude to be corrected all the time. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines anyway. I live in a country where only 2% of the population speak English as a first language, but it is the official language anyway. We have 12 other 'official' languages too. (Yes, that makes no sense, ). I once got violently attacked by a mob of policemen for saying "you are not a law unto yourself", which they thought meant "you are not the law", but it really means "you are not allowed to make up your own laws!"In my ideal society, the age of consent is 25 years. What ethnicity were they (and I mean this in the proper sense of what cultural group they are a part of not their skin color)? Were they Afrikaners? Are Afrikaners usually so inept at speaking English?
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Post by jonbain on Jul 24, 2021 12:55:28 GMT
Eugene 2.0 I often wonder if you want me to correct your English? Sometime people find it a bit rude to be corrected all the time. I'm pretty good at reading between the lines anyway. I live in a country where only 2% of the population speak English as a first language, but it is the official language anyway. We have 12 other 'official' languages too. (Yes, that makes no sense, ). I once got violently attacked by a mob of policemen for saying "you are not a law unto yourself", which they thought meant "you are not the law", but it really means "you are not allowed to make up your own laws!"In my ideal society, the age of consent is 25 years. What ethnicity were they (and I mean this in the proper sense of what cultural group they are a part of not their skin color)? Were they Afrikaners? Are Afrikaners usually so inept at speaking English? Yes. First I got attacked by 3 Afrikaners, but they got a clobbering from me, so they ran away. Then 20 of them came, jumping over the wall. None of them showed ID or even used an 'official' vehicle at first. Its not just that they do not speak english all that well, but they are arrogant enough to insist that they can, and everyone else is to blame for not understanding them. I have some sympathy, though for the 10% of them that are decent, having to be part of that culture cannot be easy. But then, they could easily choose to return to their French, German or Dutch roots. Their culture is typically one of systematic child-abuse and thus they learn violence very early on as the means to their ends.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 24, 2021 13:08:21 GMT
Eugene 2.0Jonathan, it would be absolutely perfect and the best of the best help!!!
Any of your corrections would be totally accepted by me! I see how many faults I MAKE in English, and even see how could I group them. And I guess that the most necessary help for me is a psychological one. That's why even A CRITIQUE would be good FOR ME.
I think that there are a) lots of grammar mistakes, i.e. I spoil many rules, or don't know them properly, or haven't read about them; b) lots of contextual mistakes, i.e. I don't pay attention TO which wordS I use, for which context, and so on; c) style; I repeat over and over again almost the same patterns. A person who reads MY WRITING can read my thoughts even faster, than the text. I guess there IS lots of work, and it has to START somewhere in my mind; d) not using of short good and practical phrases we can FIND in brief dictionaries. I've been told that there are some SUCH dictionaries, and that I must use such short and SIMPLE words, but I... I'm to addicted to my usage of English...
Anyway, any help of yours would be super cool!!! I really appreciate you for proposing TO help ME here!
P.S. You mentioned people which might GET mad when somebody would start correcting them. I'm definitely not of those PEOPLE, but I am in the other category. I'm of those people WHO hesitate; I think that if you would correct me you could spend your precious time for NOTHING. And this is what I'm always find to be sad for me. I mean I don't want THAT somebody would suffer, because of me. I'd rather become a lazy one and the life itself makes me do something.
I just wish my french was half as bad as your English. You are doing fine. As for my Russian, well, you can teach me that in about 10 years time. But I love the word "nyet". I gave taken to using it in English because it has such a powerful locution.
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