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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 11, 2021 13:59:20 GMT
As a medium I mean any priests or persons which perform any sacrament functions. I'm asking it, because I think that there might be mediums, and I guess sometimes we can choose persons who are better, than us in some practice, so why to reject medium or priests?
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Post by jonbain on Jul 11, 2021 21:12:59 GMT
The person who most assured me that the Christian traditions were worth pursuing at an early age was a Rasta who told me to avoid any priests and deal with God directly myself, and take no other persons opinion as being worth more than that.
As I look back and figure why that was so convincing, well its because western christianity, especially the protestants are mostly fake christians. The term "sacramentarian" is used to describe people who are hypocrites like that.
Probably this is why people with genuine christian convictions in these societies prefer to use the Rastafari process.
Well we do often use marijuana as a medium, though ambiguously it is also called a 'sacrament' - but that has an entirely different meaning to 'sacramentarian' - even though the semantics suggest they are similar words.
But simply: western churches are corrupt to the core. At least those I have experienced.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 15, 2021 17:57:37 GMT
Well mediums communicate with the dead and God says not to do such things. When some guy in old testament (Saul?) went to do that God was seriously displeased with him.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 15, 2021 20:30:22 GMT
Well mediums communicate with the dead and God says not to do such things. When some guy in old testament (Saul?) went to do that God was seriously displeased with him. When did God say this? There are numerous cases of such events in the bible. Not the least, Jesus himself does it. But the word 'medium' has more than one meaning.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 16, 2021 14:30:56 GMT
Well mediums communicate with the dead and God says not to do such things. When some guy in old testament (Saul?) went to do that God was seriously displeased with him. When did God say this? There are numerous cases of such events in the bible. Not the least, Jesus himself does it. But the word 'medium' has more than one meaning. The person (Saul) who I mentioned above knew Mediums were detestible against God. He used to kill them. But when Saul turned bad himself he had to disguise himself to see that medium. When she realized it was him she feared for her life. And Jesus never spoke to dead people. He only raised the dead by commanding them to rise. He simply gave an order. Here is more for you on why mediums were evil and killed off. Saul lost his own life for doing this evil act even of getting medium. www.learnreligions.com/the-bible-on-talking-to-the-dead-701973
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Post by jonbain on Jul 16, 2021 14:39:34 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 16, 2021 14:57:54 GMT
It was not a summons. And God is the one who raises the dead and judges them. Prophets returning isn't even a bad thing and we are waiting on 2 prophets to rise back to life for Revelations. This isn't some evil medium act but an act of God. Remember in terms of actual medium stuff God commanded death for them.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 17, 2021 6:38:10 GMT
The debate between Johnbain and Elizabeth is pointless because the word that Eugene was looking for is MEDIATOR, as in a priest or Bishop who mediates between God and humans. A medium contacts the dead but that is not what Eugene is talking about. As for why protestants reject priests and Bishops it is because Martin Luther perceived that the Bishops who claimed succession from the Apostles themselves were wrong on matters of doctrine. And if they could be wrong in their apostolic office on matters of doctrine then their role in the church as mediators could not be trusted either and so it was up to the individual to read the Bible himself and come to his own conclusions and pray to God himself for forgiveness. Protestantism is a very democratic and individualistic branch of Christianity.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 17, 2021 6:46:01 GMT
Well mediums communicate with the dead and God says not to do such things. When some guy in old testament (Saul?) went to do that God was seriously displeased with him. When did God say this? There are numerous cases of such events in the bible. Not the least, Jesus himself does it. But the word 'medium' has more than one meaning. But, to put you and Elizabeth's debate to rest these are all the Bible verses on mediums. www.openbible.info/topics/mediumsAs you can see, God is very much against mediums and sorcerers. These people contacting the dead and dealing in magic are screwing around with spiritual forces that they do not understand. My father tells me that one of the moments of his life that unnerved him the most was when he was in a room with people screwing with a Ouija board. Contacting the dead is evil and people should stay away from it.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 17, 2021 7:31:32 GMT
When did God say this? There are numerous cases of such events in the bible. Not the least, Jesus himself does it. But the word 'medium' has more than one meaning. But, to put you and Elizabeth's debate to rest these are all the Bible verses on mediums. www.openbible.info/topics/mediumsAs you can see, God is very much against mediums and sorcerers. These people contacting the dead and dealing in magic are screwing around with spiritual forces that they do not understand. My father tells me that one of the moments of his life that unnerved him the most was when he was in a room with people screwing with a Ouija board. Contacting the dead is evil and people should stay away from it. And despite this, Jesus Christ Himself allowed some apostles to do exorcism, and on the fiftieth day of His Ancension the Father send the Holy Spirit. Plus, remember the sorcerers and magicians who came to knee before Christ? Why God allowed them to bless the little Jesus? I think that Christianity is not non-spiritual; I'd say that Christianity is one of the most spiritual religion ever. There are numerous examples in Bible where the spiritual powers are being used; while the link Mr. Clovis and Ms. Elizabeth have given has just one ambiguous quote from the Bible. And moreover, I was talking about the mediums in a more wider sense, including priests.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 17, 2021 8:47:02 GMT
But, to put you and Elizabeth's debate to rest these are all the Bible verses on mediums. www.openbible.info/topics/mediumsAs you can see, God is very much against mediums and sorcerers. These people contacting the dead and dealing in magic are screwing around with spiritual forces that they do not understand. My father tells me that one of the moments of his life that unnerved him the most was when he was in a room with people screwing with a Ouija board. Contacting the dead is evil and people should stay away from it. And despite this, Jesus Christ Himself allowed some apostles to do exorcism, and on the fiftieth day of His Ancension the Father send the Holy Spirit. Plus, remember the sorcerers and magicians who came to knee before Christ? Why God allowed them to bless the little Jesus? I think that Christianity is not non-spiritual; I'd say that Christianity is one of the most spiritual religion ever. There are numerous examples in Bible where the spiritual powers are being used; while the link Mr. Clovis and Ms. Elizabeth have given has just one ambiguous quote from the Bible. And moreover, I was talking about the mediums in a more wider sense, including priests. Read the link again there are DOZENS of verses there literally dozens condemning mediums one which says that they should be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27 ESV / 168 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 17, 2021 9:47:57 GMT
And despite this, Jesus Christ Himself allowed some apostles to do exorcism, and on the fiftieth day of His Ancension the Father send the Holy Spirit. Plus, remember the sorcerers and magicians who came to knee before Christ? Why God allowed them to bless the little Jesus? I think that Christianity is not non-spiritual; I'd say that Christianity is one of the most spiritual religion ever. There are numerous examples in Bible where the spiritual powers are being used; while the link Mr. Clovis and Ms. Elizabeth have given has just one ambiguous quote from the Bible. And moreover, I was talking about the mediums in a more wider sense, including priests. Read the link again there are DOZENS of verses there literally dozens condemning mediums one which says that they should be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27 ESV / 168 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” Elizabeth said that the Old Testament was irrelevant to the Protestants. Some of traditions as circumcision were cancelled. So, I don't know.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 17, 2021 10:02:58 GMT
Clovis Merovingian When the old and new testaments disagree, it is the new that must prevail.
But it CAN be dangerous. That is not the same as it is ALWAYS dangerous. If your mind is in a state of purity, ghosts cannot harm you. Those that fear spirits, are reflecting their own subconscious spirituality. Did Jesus die on the cross? Are we not told to pray to him? Jesus is the vital medium between man and God. To reject mediums, is to enslave yourself in the material world.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 23, 2021 5:33:54 GMT
Read the link again there are DOZENS of verses there literally dozens condemning mediums one which says that they should be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27 ESV / 168 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” Elizabeth said that the Old Testament was irrelevant to the Protestants. Some of traditions as circumcision were cancelled. So, I don't know. But the Old Testament is the word of G-d(YHWH) ... Hmm. Interesting..
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 23, 2021 7:25:36 GMT
Elizabeth said that the Old Testament was irrelevant to the Protestants. Some of traditions as circumcision were cancelled. So, I don't know. But the Old Testament is the word of G-d(YHWH) ... Hmm. Interesting.. That is not at all a mainstream position among protestants. The Old Testament is in the Bible and nothing in the Bible is irrelevant.
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