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Post by antor on Jun 28, 2021 10:51:07 GMT
Just a hypothesis fires would be started near rock walls because of the wind shelter and then they'd soon discover that the heat cracked the rock which made an excellent start into hacking a cave into it.
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Post by joustos on Jun 28, 2021 15:38:55 GMT
Just a hypothesis fires would be started near rock walls because of the wind shelter and then they'd soon discover that the heat cracked the rock which made an excellent start into hacking a cave into it. A fire? No; a conflagration could crack a rock wall... Most likely, a small fire was started by somebody who tried to bore a hole through a piece of wood by using a pointed bovine horn, you know, by rolling it back and forth between the two hands. This friction method may be a later one; the earlier method may have consisted in striking two stones (or certain stones) so that the fire/light sparks would ignite nearby dry leaves or twigs. This method may have been discovered accidentally by stone-tool makers when they got burnt by flying sparks. The amazing thing is that, unlike stones, pieces of trees catch on fire and continue burning automatically (just like the automatic chain-reaction of an atomic fission in modern times). Thus they started learning the nature of things.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Jun 28, 2021 17:17:47 GMT
Just a hypothesis fires would be started near rock walls because of the wind shelter and then they'd soon discover that the heat cracked the rock which made an excellent start into hacking a cave into it. A fire? No; a conflagration could crack a rock wall... Most likely, a small fire was started by somebody who tried to bore a hole through a piece of wood by using a pointed bovine horn, you know, by rolling it back and forth between the two hands. This friction method may be a later one; the earlier method may have consisted in striking two stones (or certain stones) so that the fire/light sparks would ignite nearby dry leaves or twigs. This method may have been discovered accidentally by stone-tool makers when they got burnt by flying sparks. The amazing thing is that, unlike stones, pieces of trees catch on fire and continue burning automatically (just like the automatic chain-reaction of an atomic fission in modern times). Thus they started learning the nature of things. Man Didn't Invent Firemaking; One Man Did One of the few who evolved into a more intelligent species noticed the practicality of what had been just an annoyance to the unevolved. It reminds me of football's draw play. The coach's offensive line didn't do its job and let the defense rush in. But the quarterback was lucky enough to salvage a ten-yard gain out of what should have been a ten-yard loss. One bright coach finally realized that he could have his team to do that on purpose, tricking the defense to abandon its proper structure, leaving a gap that the quarterback could take advantage of. It's what Stalin did to Hitler, faking a collapse so the Nazi army would blitzkrieg and over-extend itself. So many of these set-ups for invention were repeated thousands of times and just answered with "shit happens." Metallurgy was discovered when a rare creative human noticed what everybody else had noticed but only he could see how he could go further, into a higher mental dimensionality, by using it to advance on and end the pathetic Stone Age technology. Forest fires had turned the ore on the surface into metal; only he saw any use in that knowledge.
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Post by antor on Jun 28, 2021 18:04:00 GMT
Ok I didn't actually mean to discuss firemaking but the consequence it might have had. But then I read somewhere that cave making intentionally would have been near impossible with the tools at the time (stone on stone hacking) but near impossible to me just means there probably were a few dudes crazy enough. Can't find the link to that now though.
Also I wonder if dancing was inspired by fire related accidents or if dancing and perhaps music preceded fire.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 20, 2021 16:25:02 GMT
Just a hypothesis fires would be started near rock walls because of the wind shelter and then they'd soon discover that the heat cracked the rock which made an excellent start into hacking a cave into it. This means people had an understanding of the warm effect (or the heat effect) – to perform work or turning the warm as energy to some work – earlier to their other views, which I have some hesitations about such a way. My version is this: 1. People took wooden planks to do some plain and routine work; and also they used rocks to throw, or to scratch something 2. They sharp their planks or made them be more needle-like or spike-like tools 3. To sharp the plank the best is using rocks 4. Not every rock is good for sharping or scratching the surface, etc 5. They might sharp or got the form to their rocks (making the ricks be more comfortable as tools) 6. Sharpen certain rocks is a better way to see lights or to feel warm they produce: the more scrubbing the more getting warmer; and the same about the sharpening their wooden planks: this process can really make them burn 7. Sharpening or scrubbing either a rock + a plank, or a rock + a rock allow them to see the effect in action
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 11, 2021 0:09:13 GMT
It started when Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to humans. Now he is chained to a rock and a great bird eats his liver as punishment. Gosh, people! Learn your history!
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 11, 2021 18:51:27 GMT
It started when Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to humans. Now he is chained to a rock and a great bird eats his liver as punishment. Gosh, people! Learn your history! The major problem is that Prometheus was a name of lightening. That's right, the lightening. Firstly, the sky had the fire, and the lightening happened only there. People were crying watching the fire blazed the sky. But people envied the sky, they wanted that fire came to them to warm them. One of such a fire - the lightening - decided to make some path to the Earth. But it was too risky - the other gods were watching him. Plus to it, he wanted to make it as silence as possible. So, he had to do it really quick. And he did. But he never knew one fact - if did it once, we would repeat it. And unfortunately for him, the other gods had heard him. And for this they ordered the hunder - that grey old god - to warn them every time the lightening (Prometheus) comes to the Earth. I was told this story by a little bird named Vicky.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 11, 2021 20:20:20 GMT
It started when Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to humans. Now he is chained to a rock and a great bird eats his liver as punishment. Gosh, people! Learn your history! The major problem is that Prometheus was a name of lightening. That's right, the lightening. Firstly, the sky had the fire, and the lightening happened only there. People were crying watching the fire blazed the sky. But people envied the sky, they wanted that fire came to them to warm them. One of such a fire - the lightening - decided to make some path to the Earth. But it was too risky - the other gods were watching him. Plus to it, he wanted to make it as silence as possible. So, he had to do it really quick. And he did. But he never knew one fact - if did it once, we would repeat it. And unfortunately for him, the other gods had heard him. And for this they ordered the hunder - that grey old god - to warn them every time the lightening (Prometheus) comes to the Earth. I was told this story by a little bird named Vicky. Oh yes, that's the thing about myths. They are not meant to be taken literally. They all have a deeper meaning beyond beyond the bare facts of the story and are in fact true. A great example is the story of Saint Patrick driving the snakes from Ireland. It's a silly story explaining why Ireland has no snakes right? No! Snakes were associated with Satan because of his appearance as a snake in the story of Adam and Eve and were also a huge part of the pagan religion of the greater Celtic world. Saint Patrick driving the snakes from Ireland is a way of saying that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland thereby driving out the devil and the demonic paganism of the Irish. The fact that Ireland literally has no snakes is just used as a devise to speak to this truth.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 11, 2021 20:25:53 GMT
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 12, 2021 5:49:48 GMT
The major problem is that Prometheus was a name of lightening. That's right, the lightening. Firstly, the sky had the fire, and the lightening happened only there. People were crying watching the fire blazed the sky. But people envied the sky, they wanted that fire came to them to warm them. One of such a fire - the lightening - decided to make some path to the Earth. But it was too risky - the other gods were watching him. Plus to it, he wanted to make it as silence as possible. So, he had to do it really quick. And he did. But he never knew one fact - if did it once, we would repeat it. And unfortunately for him, the other gods had heard him. And for this they ordered the hunder - that grey old god - to warn them every time the lightening (Prometheus) comes to the Earth. I was told this story by a little bird named Vicky. Oh yes, that's the thing about myths. They are not meant to be taken literally. They all have a deeper meaning beyond beyond the bare facts of the story and are in fact true. A great example is the story of Saint Patrick driving the snakes from Ireland. It's a silly story explaining why Ireland has no snakes right? No! Snakes were associated with Satan because of his appearance as a snake in the story of Adam and Eve and were also a huge part of the pagan religion of the greater Celtic world. Saint Patrick driving the snakes from Ireland is a way of saying that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland thereby driving out the devil and the demonic paganism of the Irish. The fact that Ireland literally has no snakes is just used as a devise to speak to this truth. Huh, I didn't know the Ireland had no snakes. But if to think, people who drink Jim Beam and Jack Daniels as a morning coffee eat snakes alive :) Anyway, must say that I respect St. Patrick. He was one of Christians who enlightened people with the light, not with the dark. These days we're missing such persons so much.
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