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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 2, 2021 10:43:51 GMT
I've got certain friends to whom I believe I can trust. But honestly, people are sometimes so cruel, and I doubt even in the commandment of love to people, i.e. "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Mk 12:31).
How can we love people if we cannot trust to them? People are untrusted, therefore they are unloved.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 2, 2021 13:15:02 GMT
If you a are a decent and pious person, even in the pagan gods you can trust. If you are non violent, the violent trust you. If you are humble, the pride ones will follow you. That is the key for religious practices. Thank you very much! It's very kind of you to say it!! But I guess I am a monster, I am worse, than Devil, worse than Hitler, Stalin, and Putin. I did nothing good in my life, I have brought nothing good into this life.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 2, 2021 13:37:34 GMT
There are virtues that combine more with our being. I have passed a long time analising virtues, and trying to discover the secret of things, even of romantic issues. Curiosity is a good thing for intelligence. But you must follow your way, independently of what people think or say about you. Sometimes people have good ideas, but we have to adapt for our situation. But the essence of life progress, is good will. Having good will, you can learn everything you can imagine. I have stopped trust people. They betrayed me many times. I don't know how to bring them as much as possible harm and pain. My way - is to stop people's ways. If I could I would prevent everyone from their own ways. Individuality is what kills us. It separates us. But on the other hand, without being individual it is very hard to do anything. Non-individuals doesn't even know what they're doing, they're tools. Anyway, the more person is individualistic, the less chances for another person to get one. The most individual persons are as far from each other as possible. They don't even know about the existence of the other people.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 2, 2021 16:43:38 GMT
I have stopped trust people. They betrayed me many times. I don't know how to bring them as much as possible harm and pain. My way - is to stop people's ways. If I could I would prevent everyone from their own ways. Individuality is what kills us. It separates us. But on the other hand, without being individual it is very hard to do anything. Non-individuals doesn't even know what they're doing, they're tools. Anyway, the more person is individualistic, the less chances for another person to get one. The most individual persons are as far from each other as possible. They don't even know about the existence of the other people. If you trust in someone else, you will trust in yourself. That is the advantage. But I'm not sure that I am is what I am. It wasn't me who had created me as I was and as I am. It wasn't me who made me a human being, a mortal, and it wasn't me who had sent me to this epoch and place to live. Since no answer to these questions, no positive answers can't be on the other ones.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 2, 2021 16:48:22 GMT
But I'm not sure that I am is what I am. It wasn't me who had created me as I was and as I am. It wasn't me who made me a human being, a mortal, and it wasn't me who had sent me to this epoch and place to live. Since no answer to these questions, no positive answers can't be on the other ones. Read the Bible, if you like. Proverbs is a nice thing to read, also, the Book of Salomon wisdom. Yes, I already have. The books if Shlomo are great, it's true. It's interesting that even not many Jews like those books, and it makes me shrugging.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 20, 2021 4:57:24 GMT
I've got certain friends to whom I believe I can trust. But honestly, people are sometimes so cruel, and I doubt even in the commandment of love to people, i.e. "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Mk 12:31). How can we love people if we cannot trust to them? People are untrusted, therefore they are unloved. It is possible to love those that you cannot trust. If you have a black sheep in your family you will understand where I'm coming from. Also God loves people though he cannot trust them to do what is right. Christ said, "love your enemies" and if there is anyone on earth that you cannot trust it is certainly your enemy.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 21, 2021 6:14:31 GMT
Even family can backstab you. So in the end only God never will.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 21, 2021 12:32:22 GMT
I've got certain friends to whom I believe I can trust. But honestly, people are sometimes so cruel, and I doubt even in the commandment of love to people, i.e. "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Mk 12:31). How can we love people if we cannot trust to them? People are untrusted, therefore they are unloved. It is possible to love those that you cannot trust. If you have a black sheep in your family you will understand where I'm coming from. Also God loves people though he cannot trust them to do what is right. Christ said, "love your enemies" and if there is anyone on earth that you cannot trust it is certainly your enemy. But Jesus said to love our enemies too. Why families are that to have black sheep? God ordered us to keep #5 commandment.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 21, 2021 12:35:47 GMT
Even family can backstab you. So in the end only God never will. Shrug: If a family is backstabbing, one must to order his families wishes. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you" (Exodus 20:12). "Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose" (Mathews 5:17).
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Post by joustos on Apr 21, 2021 15:15:56 GMT
In U.S. courtrooms, on U.S. money, etc., there is the inscription "In God we trust". Somebody has been playing a joke on the readers. And now, I see that this thread declares, even more forcefully, that ONLY God can be trusted. Is this another joke??? In both cases, the writers never met or talked with God.... So, what is it IN/ABOUT that God could be trusted? ABOUT anything that we can read in the Scriptures, but these were composed/written by some humans -- all too-human imaginative humans. Inference: Like all other humans, they cannot be trusted. We expect some individuals to be trustworthy; that is, we trust ourselves, our own feelings, to begin with, even though there is always the risk of being wrong. The uncertainties of life are innumerable. Cheers.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 21, 2021 15:21:46 GMT
In U.S. courtrooms, on U.S. money, etc., there is the inscription "In God we trust". Somebody has been playing a joke on the readers. And now, I see that this thread declares, even more forcefully, that ONLY God can be trusted. Is this another joke??? In both cases, the writers never met or talked with God.... So, what is it IN/ABOUT that God could be trusted? ABOUT anything that we can read in the Scriptures, but these were composed/written by some humans -- all too-human imaginative humans. Inference: Like all other humans, they cannot be trusted. We expect some individuals to be trustworthy; that is, we trust ourselves, our own feelings, to begin with, even though there is always the risk of being wrong. The uncertainties of life are innumerable. Cheers. I don't trust your arguments. Cheers.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 21, 2021 15:23:04 GMT
In U.S. courtrooms, on U.S. money, etc., there is the inscription "In God we trust". Somebody has been playing a joke on the readers. And now, I see that this thread declares, even more forcefully, that ONLY God can be trusted. Is this another joke??? In both cases, the writers never met or talked with God.... So, what is it IN/ABOUT that God could be trusted? ABOUT anything that we can read in the Scriptures, but these were composed/written by some humans -- all too-human imaginative humans. Inference: Like all other humans, they cannot be trusted. We expect some individuals to be trustworthy; that is, we trust ourselves, our own feelings, to begin with, even though there is always the risk of being wrong. The uncertainties of life are innumerable. Cheers. I've talked with God. Can confirm, he can be trusted.
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Post by antor on Apr 21, 2021 17:22:46 GMT
I am not going to trust THE PEOPLE who wrote down Gods words.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 23, 2021 17:40:43 GMT
I am not going to trust THE PEOPLE who wrote down Gods words. May I ask you, what do you think about the spoiler element there? I mean if for some reason the written text cannot be trusted I can mark a few reasons: a) the language has some flaws, and that's why it ruins the previous uttered speech; b) the translators/writers, because their intentions are greedy or kinda; c) a human factor - a human even cannot trust to himself, because no one knows himself for good; d) all of these previous reasons or some of theme.
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Post by antor on Apr 23, 2021 20:53:46 GMT
I am not going to trust THE PEOPLE who wrote down Gods words. May I ask you, what do you think about the spoiler element there? I mean if for some reason the written text cannot be trusted I can mark a few reasons: a) the language has some flaws, and that's why it ruins the previous uttered speech; b) the translators/writers, because their intentions are greedy or kinda; c) a human factor - a human even cannot trust to himself, because no one knows himself for good; d) all of these previous reasons or some of theme. Not sure what you mean about "spoiler element". But anyway, all your points can be called the human element. Thats why theres loads of jibberish in the bible and why it needs to be "interpreted" which often means just cherry picking. And you said "How can we love people if we cannot trust to them?". And now you've answered that yourself when youre saying "a human even cannot trust to himself, because no one knows himself for good". That means, we must accept ourselves as faulty and untrustable. And that others are that too. That way we can love ourself and eachother.
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