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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 30, 2021 16:41:46 GMT
The theism is a belief that God has created our world, our reality, and people, and that He is able to interfere into our reality, into the sequence of things. As an example, the theism supports miracles.
The supernatural is everything that goes beyond any scientific laws, or what doesn't necessary correlate with scientific logic.
It must be seen that theism is a necessary component of today's big religions. What about those religions with no supernatural? Will they still be accaptable or people need to support their supernatural presentations?
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 1, 2021 5:54:47 GMT
Quantum mechanics says that everything exists as a probability distribution. This means that all miracles are possible, just unlikely. Therefore miracles do not violate the laws of science, and so are not supernatural.
That said, as a skeptic I personally refuse to believe in miracles unless they are backed by overwhelming evidence. This is one reason why I follow the Old Testament which does not require believing in miracles.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 1, 2021 7:11:22 GMT
Quantum mechanics says that everything exists as a probability distribution. This means that all miracles are possible, just unlikely. Therefore miracles do not violate the laws of science, and so are not supernatural. That said, as a skeptic I personally refuse to believe in miracles unless they are backed by overwhelming evidence. This is one reason why I follow the Old Testament which does not require believing in miracles. Strange things. And you propose not to believe in all the miracles during the long escape from Egypt lands?!.. It is the same to just put away the Old Testament. The Old Testament is built up of the miracles. |
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Post by karl on Apr 1, 2021 8:35:36 GMT
The focus on miracles described in ancient Christian literature, distracts one from acknowledging consciousness and free will as the clearest evidence for divine will. The current scientific paradigm is in conflict with itself. The prevailing view among the majority of mathematicians and computer engineers is that AI one day will surpass human intelligence in every aspect. This premises a deterministic view of the human mind, and an understanding of human intelligence as nothing substantially beyond algorithms. This is a belief system, and as any other belief system it can hardly be disproven. But it premises assumptions which themselves can't be proven. We know that the universe is not deterministic on a quantum level, so for the human mind to still be deterministic, it may only be so with a limited level of accuracy, and there can't be any structures in the human brain that allows quantum uncertainty to play a significant role. And human intelligence being nothing beyond algorithms means that the limitations of algorithms described by the incompleteness theorem also apply to human intelligence itself. For example, there will have to exist an infinite number of diophantine equations unsolvable to the human mind, despite having a general solution.
Those who argue for a deterministic and mechanistic view of the human mind, are in reality making the human individual insignificant, with principal limitations for what it may understand, with no inherent value, and no deeper purpose to its existence. The true miracle is that they're wrong. We experience free will introspectively every moment of the day, rather than being biological computers where all our thoughts and actions are pre-determined by the physical processes in the brain and the world it interacts with.
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Post by fschmidt on Apr 1, 2021 15:56:00 GMT
Strange things. And you propose not to believe in all the miracles during the long escape from Egypt lands?!.. It is the same to just put away the Old Testament. The Old Testament is built up of the miracles. The Old Testament has things described as miracles but it is certainly not built up of the miracles. The miracles are not central to the Old Testament. How were the Old Testament stories preserved? Initially just in people's memories, and then later written down. So for example the escape from Egypt was described as understood by ignorant slaves. Consider crossing the Red Sea. Moses was highly educated and had connections. Egypt had a Suez Canal equivalent at that time, with canal locks. I assume Moses closed the lock to let the Israelites pass and then opened it to wash away the Egyptian army. How would this have been understood by ignorant slaves seeing a wall of water wiping out the Egyptians? Probably as a miracle. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 2, 2021 3:39:23 GMT
Strange things. And you propose not to believe in all the miracles during the long escape from Egypt lands?!.. It is the same to just put away the Old Testament. The Old Testament is built up of the miracles. The Old Testament has things described as miracles but it is certainly not built up of the miracles. The miracles are not central to the Old Testament. How were the Old Testament stories preserved? Initially just in people's memories, and then later written down. So for example the escape from Egypt was described as understood by ignorant slaves. Consider crossing the Red Sea. Moses was highly educated and had connections. Egypt had a Suez Canal equivalent at that time, with canal locks. I assume Moses closed the lock to let the Israelites pass and then opened it to wash away the Egyptian army. How would this have been understood by ignorant slaves seeing a wall of water wiping out the Egyptians? Probably as a miracle. I do believe Moses was very well educated, and his moves were decent and wise. However, at exactly this point God could help Moses just because of it – of his wisdom. God wouldn't help those who blindly left Him. He blessed those who followed Him, and didn't leave Him. Anyway, the miracles were God's signs or God's marks. As for me, to say "this something is miracle" and "it was for to glorify God", then it's highly possible that it was a sign of the presence of God. |
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