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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Mar 25, 2021 19:49:55 GMT
This guy wrote absolutely correct. Can't disagree with him. Batman or Bruce Wayne - is one moron capitalistic person. And the most stupid move is that exploiting this character will bring anything good. Oh, no chances. All those shades on Batman, and all those fabricated drama - is dull and unserious. Whatta fool believes? Batman is just a psychotic asshole who bends capitalism to his selfish needsThe American psycho is Bruce Wayne — quite literally.
I mean both of these guys live double lives and suffer from dissociative identity disorder. One is a rich bachelor who has a hard time feeling powerless and the other, a vigilante who has his own twisted version of what justice means (how does punching and beating your way to answers really accomplish anything? How did torturing terrorism suspects help the US with the War on Terror and capturing Osama Bin Laden?). Mr. Wayne is violent, a bachelor at a job where there are many replicas of himself, he’s constantly trying to one-up the competition to send a message, he treats all women like he’s entitled to them and he marginalizes the marginalized (has an old person as his butler, who does a lot of his dirty work) — among other things. Bruce isn’t even a genius like Tony Stark or T’Challa. He can’t make any of the products or machines he constantly uses in battle and needs technology in almost every situation he’s in. He was also given his money through inheritance (though the circumstances were horrible), so he didn’t even work for his wealth. The Link to the Truth
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 20, 2021 5:17:54 GMT
Well, all the political stuff about the rich aside, the thing that most people don't seem to understand about Batman is that he is as insane as his villains. Batman has his one rule, no killing because as he has said if he kills someone there would be no difference between him and say, the Joker. A lot of fans misinterpret this as some kind of moral statement, but in many Batman comics such as Under the Red Hood to cite a later example, he clarifies his statement. If Batman were to kill someone, he would start to like it and he wouldn't be able to stop himself from killing again and again, and eventually, he would be a murderous maniac like the Joker. The Joker knows this and that's why he's always trying to get Batman to break his one rule. He wants to drive Batman insane and prove that there is actually no difference between Batman and himself, that all it takes is that the right set of circumstances, "one bad day," for him to be just as insane as the Joker. And the Joker is right, Batman is absolutely insane. In some depictions of Bruce Wayne's parents being murdered in front of him, little 8-year old Bruce Wayne doesn't even shed a tear when the act is committed, he just looks at the murderer Joe Chill with a focused, intimidating gaze, and stares at him with those serial killer like eyes. The insanity of Batman is actually one of his more interesting character traits.
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Post by jonbain on Apr 28, 2021 18:38:15 GMT
I just thought the movies had terrible acting.
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Post by karl on Apr 28, 2021 22:16:37 GMT
In my teens, I read a vast number of comic books, batman being among them. Comic books back then all shared the same formula for a hero's psychology. The hero was tough, but would either not kill anyone, or at least not someone defenseless, and he would never allow innocent people to get in harms way. He would also never torture anyone. Comic books mirrored what were considered to be Western values back then. After 9/11, this became distorted. There was no longer any consensus against the use of torture, and to what I hear, batman has used torture on at least one occasion in a movie. I also saw a clip where he uses mass surveillance as a tool to capture criminals. I've not watched any of the movies myself, but from the clips I've seen, he seems hard and emotionless, and gives a different vibe from how he came across in the comic books. Very often, in those stories, the most force he'd use would be to knock someone out with a punch.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 29, 2021 4:36:29 GMT
In my teens, I read a vast number of comic books, batman being among them. Comic books back then all shared the same formula for a hero's psychology. The hero was tough, but would either not kill anyone, or at least not someone defenseless, and he would never allow innocent people to get in harms way. He would also never torture anyone. Comic books mirrored what were considered to be Western values back then. After 9/11, this became distorted. There was no longer any consensus against the use of torture, and to what I hear, batman has used torture on at least one occasion in a movie. I also saw a clip where he uses mass surveillance as a tool to capture criminals. I've not watched any of the movies myself, but from the clips I've seen, he seems hard and emotionless, and gives a different vibe from how he came across in the comic books. Very often, in those stories, the most force he'd use would be to knock someone out with a punch. I'm good with torture myself. I do not see how it is morally wrong to do this to get information especially when the information could save lives. Sacrificing the comfort of one arsehole to save a bunch of innocents seems no great loss to me. I don't think governments should do this to their own citizens, but to foreigners and terrorists, I'm good with it.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 29, 2021 6:26:01 GMT
This guy wrote absolutely correct. Can't disagree with him. Batman or Bruce Wayne - is one moron capitalistic person. And the most stupid move is that exploiting this character will bring anything good. Oh, no chances. All those shades on Batman, and all those fabricated drama - is dull and unserious. Whatta fool believes? Batman is just a psychotic asshole who bends capitalism to his selfish needsThe American psycho is Bruce Wayne — quite literally.
I mean both of these guys live double lives and suffer from dissociative identity disorder. One is a rich bachelor who has a hard time feeling powerless and the other, a vigilante who has his own twisted version of what justice means (how does punching and beating your way to answers really accomplish anything? How did torturing terrorism suspects help the US with the War on Terror and capturing Osama Bin Laden?). Mr. Wayne is violent, a bachelor at a job where there are many replicas of himself, he’s constantly trying to one-up the competition to send a message, he treats all women like he’s entitled to them and he marginalizes the marginalized (has an old person as his butler, who does a lot of his dirty work) — among other things. Bruce isn’t even a genius like Tony Stark or T’Challa. He can’t make any of the products or machines he constantly uses in battle and needs technology in almost every situation he’s in. He was also given his money through inheritance (though the circumstances were horrible), so he didn’t even work for his wealth. The Link to the Truth By the way, this entire thread reminds me of this video.
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Post by Sonny on Jul 12, 2021 21:37:20 GMT
In my teens, I read a vast number of comic books, batman being among them. Comic books back then all shared the same formula for a hero's psychology. The hero was tough, but would either not kill anyone, or at least not someone defenseless, and he would never allow innocent people to get in harms way. He would also never torture anyone. Comic books mirrored what were considered to be Western values back then. After 9/11, this became distorted. There was no longer any consensus against the use of torture, and to what I hear, batman has used torture on at least one occasion in a movie. I also saw a clip where he uses mass surveillance as a tool to capture criminals. I've not watched any of the movies myself, but from the clips I've seen, he seems hard and emotionless, and gives a different vibe from how he came across in the comic books. Very often, in those stories, the most force he'd use would be to knock someone out with a punch. There's a lot to unpack in Batman's character. Pageau does a good job expanding on much of the symbolism here: It's interesting that at least Nolan's version of Batman has a lot of hidden Christ symbolism compared to the more overt Christ imagery seen in Superman films.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 12, 2021 23:27:09 GMT
In my teens, I read a vast number of comic books, batman being among them. Comic books back then all shared the same formula for a hero's psychology. The hero was tough, but would either not kill anyone, or at least not someone defenseless, and he would never allow innocent people to get in harms way. He would also never torture anyone. Comic books mirrored what were considered to be Western values back then. After 9/11, this became distorted. There was no longer any consensus against the use of torture, and to what I hear, batman has used torture on at least one occasion in a movie. I also saw a clip where he uses mass surveillance as a tool to capture criminals. I've not watched any of the movies myself, but from the clips I've seen, he seems hard and emotionless, and gives a different vibe from how he came across in the comic books. Very often, in those stories, the most force he'd use would be to knock someone out with a punch. There's a lot to unpack in Batman's character. Pageau does a good job expanding on much of the symbolism here: It's interesting that at least Nolan's version of Batman has a lot of hidden Christ symbolism compared to the more overt Christ imagery seen in Superman films. Thank you for enlightening me. That indeed was a light. You're right. A tiny thought blazed in my head when once again I was watching "The Dark Knight". And now I know that I'm not an alien in this thought. So, it completely changes my view to Batman. Indeed, how could I forget about his also positive sides?.. You know, all I saw in him was that that a richy major jerk who had decided to enjoy in his own no-moral way... I guess I was too narrow-minded then. And plus to it Bruce Wayne is rather tragic hero (in Nolan's movies), so it can change his appearance totally... ... ...
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