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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2021 22:35:55 GMT
Do you argue to win or to lose?
I see many feisty debates and apologetics, with little potential for a happy conclusion and wondered what motivates us all.
Preach, teach, or learn comes to mind.
Do you want to loser arguments or win them?
Which gives you the most pleasure and pain?
Regards
DL
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 18, 2021 7:07:04 GMT
When I was younger, winning arguments was one of my concerns. Now I like to read and listen. Sharing my points and learning new things.
In my opinion, debating on internet is pointless most of the times. Because many people are entitled to their opinion. They don't want to change/revise their thoughts or refuse to learn. Having a healthy/normal discussion on internet is something rare these days.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 18, 2021 7:46:42 GMT
Arguing to win can sure be nice but not arguing is better. So I have limitations. I might argue but eventually would just stop if it's not going anywhere.
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Post by karl on Feb 18, 2021 16:12:12 GMT
Winning in a discussion means something different than convincing someone that they're wrong. Rather, it's an act of persuasion, where the targets are not so much the person one argues with, but whoever are the spectators. So winning can mean to make the person one discusses with look foolish in the eyes of others. If that is achieved, then the person on the losing side is more likely to cement his/her views rather than changing them. Very few, if any, actually change their opinions because someone were able to beat them rhetorically in the eyes of others. For the most part it's just a pissing contest in verbal form.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 25, 2021 0:34:58 GMT
When I was younger, winning arguments was one of my concerns. Now I like to read and listen. Sharing my points and learning new things. In my opinion, debating on internet is pointless most of the times. Because many people are entitled to their opinion. They don't want to change/revise their thoughts or refuse to learn. Having a healthy/normal discussion on internet is something rare these days. I agree. I also see the religious apologists are too polarized and resist using logos instead of mythos. Literal reading of the Christian myth is what is killing Christianity and the possible discussions. Regards DL |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 25, 2021 0:37:06 GMT
Arguing to win can sure be nice but not arguing is better. So I have limitations. I might argue but eventually would just stop if it's not going anywhere. I prefer to lose an argument. That way I actually learn something new. I too end the dead end arguments or debates. Regards DL |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 25, 2021 0:42:06 GMT
Winning in a discussion means something different than convincing someone that they're wrong. Rather, it's an act of persuasion, where the targets are not so much the person one argues with, but whoever are the spectators. So winning can mean to make the person one discusses with look foolish in the eyes of others. If that is achieved, then the person on the losing side is more likely to cement his/her views rather than changing them. Very few, if any, actually change their opinions because someone were able to beat them rhetorically in the eyes of others. For the most part it's just a pissing contest in verbal form. I see no difference between convincing and persuading. You are correct that pride makes many look stupid, hypocritical and dishonest. I think it is particularly tough on those who use mythos and the supernatural instead of logos and reason. Regards DL |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 25, 2021 6:28:15 GMT
I don't think that Christianity, and some other religion, is being killed by using certain kinds of argumentations.
It doesn't really matter what we discuss if we cannot, or are not able, or gave up to understand each other with no specific tools. Animals live their lives in harmony, so do bees, so do birds, so do plants.
I doubt a reason will be a saviour. Children don't need much time and power to get along with each other; the grown-ups instead something are unable to stop filling their thirsty for blood and pain-causin.
The world is mad now. A role of any religion is at risk to become one of the object of destruction by raged crowds. I think the good world we had yesterday has been completely gone.
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 25, 2021 18:48:47 GMT
I don't think that Christianity, and some other religion, is being killed by using certain kinds of argumentations. It doesn't really matter what we discuss if we cannot, or are not able, or gave up to understand each other with no specific tools. Animals live their lives in harmony, so do bees, so do birds, so do plants. I doubt a reason will be a saviour. Children don't need much time and power to get along with each other; the grown-ups instead something are unable to stop filling their thirsty for blood and pain-causin. The world is mad now. A role of any religion is at risk to become one of the object of destruction by raged crowds. I think the good world we had yesterday has been completely gone. Statistically speaking, most markers for evil are at the best levels we have ever enjoyed. You see more evil because you do not know the stats. Arguments that Christians use are mythos and not logos which is why Christianity is dead. The idolizing of a genocidal prick of a god, Yahweh/Jesus is falling out of fashion. A good thing. Right? Regards DL |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 25, 2021 19:14:07 GMT
I don't think that Christianity, and some other religion, is being killed by using certain kinds of argumentations. It doesn't really matter what we discuss if we cannot, or are not able, or gave up to understand each other with no specific tools. Animals live their lives in harmony, so do bees, so do birds, so do plants. I doubt a reason will be a saviour. Children don't need much time and power to get along with each other; the grown-ups instead something are unable to stop filling their thirsty for blood and pain-causin. The world is mad now. A role of any religion is at risk to become one of the object of destruction by raged crowds. I think the good world we had yesterday has been completely gone. Statistically speaking, most markers for evil are at the best levels we have ever enjoyed. You see more evil because you do not know the stats. Arguments that Christians use are mythos and not logos which is why Christianity is dead. The idolizing of a genocidal prick of a god, Yahweh/Jesus is falling out of fashion. A good thing. Right? Regards DL Christianity is not dead; there are mad and wicked people. For such statistics won't cure them. |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 25, 2021 21:32:03 GMT
Statistically speaking, most markers for evil are at the best levels we have ever enjoyed. You see more evil because you do not know the stats. Arguments that Christians use are mythos and not logos which is why Christianity is dead. The idolizing of a genocidal prick of a god, Yahweh/Jesus is falling out of fashion. A good thing. Right? Regards DL Christianity is not dead; there are mad and wicked people. For such statistics won't cure them. The point was that there are so few as compared to the past. Sounds like you don't care for the truth. Christianity is dead, or have you not noted all the churches for sale? Their vile immoral theology should have died out centuries ago, and would have if not for inquisitions and political power. Regards DL |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 25, 2021 21:37:05 GMT
Christianity is not dead; there are mad and wicked people. For such statistics won't cure them. The point was that there are so few as compared to the past. Sounds like you don't care for the truth. Christianity is dead, or have you not noted all the churches for sale? Their vile immoral theology should have died out centuries ago, and would have if not for inquisitions and political power. Regards DL Anything won't cure them. They're thirsty for blood and gore, and for killing certain ones. So lousy and pitiful. It's good that there are major Christianity communities that will give a hand for anyone including the irredeemable ones. |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 26, 2021 16:01:22 GMT
The point was that there are so few as compared to the past. Sounds like you don't care for the truth. Christianity is dead, or have you not noted all the churches for sale? Their vile immoral theology should have died out centuries ago, and would have if not for inquisitions and political power. Regards DL Anything won't cure them. They're thirsty for blood and gore, and for killing certain ones. So lousy and pitiful. It's good that there are major Christianity communities that will give a hand for anyone including the irredeemable ones. Sure, if they are not too deep into their institutionalized homophobia and misogyny. Not good when you discriminate against half the world without a just cause. Regards DL |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 26, 2021 16:12:26 GMT
Anything won't cure them. They're thirsty for blood and gore, and for killing certain ones. So lousy and pitiful. It's good that there are major Christianity communities that will give a hand for anyone including the irredeemable ones. Sure, if they are not too deep into their institutionalized homophobia and misogyny. Not good when you discriminate against half the world without a just cause. Regards DL Democracy and Science had been born within Christianity, the rest views had (de)generated nothing, but tyranny and barbarian gibberish. New Dark Ages era is being summoned by blind force-squanders, fed-up maniacs, and wandering-within-virtuality idiots. So what to expect from non-Christian views except for stinky moronity down-at-heel confuse? |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 28, 2021 23:31:04 GMT
Sure, if they are not too deep into their institutionalized homophobia and misogyny. Not good when you discriminate against half the world without a just cause. Regards DL Democracy and Science had been born within Christianity, the rest views had (de)generated nothing, but tyranny and barbarian gibberish. New Dark Ages era is being summoned by blind force-squanders, fed-up maniacs, and wandering-within-virtuality idiots. So what to expect from non-Christian views except for stinky moronity down-at-heel confuse? I expect, if I go by the stats, a much better world with more peace and law abiding people. The sooner we rid the world of Christianity and Islam the better. Regards DL |
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