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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 11, 2021 14:37:13 GMT
There's a bias that was mentioned in "50 Myths of Popular Psychology" (S. Lilienfield, etc), precisely it was about suicidal persons who attempted to perform a suicide act. The myth reads that "only depressed persons perform suicide acts. The authors objected to this myth with not weak arguments, and they had concluded to perform a suicide act one must have had some extra strong will, i.e. suicide ones were made by the strong (willful) persons.
So, here's the problem: to do a suicide act one must have become stronger, and it means one must perform a series of rituals which help to gain the will. Sounds weird as for me. It literally means that a person should work on his will to decide to die. But all of us is mortal, and no matter what each person will be dealing with it; therefore, each of us should start preparing himself to accept his own mortality to diminish some negative effects.
In general all of such rituals sound pretty stoic. That's why two questions I'd like to ask: what do you think about any rituals for preparing for a suicide/death? What do you think about this as one of the stoicists' tradition.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 11, 2021 20:50:11 GMT
Beyond nihilism is the plentiful, the forest of regards, the beauty of a starry night and a full day. Microcosm, you have a soul of a poet! |
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 11, 2021 22:44:45 GMT
I don't see anything complicated here. If one expects the negatives to outweigh the positives for the rest of one's life then suicide is rational. The only thing I don't understand is why people don't slaughter a reasonable number of scum before killing themselves since that would surely add to the total pleasure of their lives.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Feb 12, 2021 7:53:34 GMT
I don't see anything complicated here. If one expects the negatives to outweigh the positives for the rest of one's life then suicide is rational. The only thing I don't understand is why people don't slaughter a reasonable number of scum before killing themselves since that would surely add to the total pleasure of their lives. To kill: whichever a self, or another one – requires some psychic resources, i.e. a person must be able to dare to perform it. Killing the same-look or the same-image isn't good even for the animal life. It'd rather happen rarely and accidentally, than necessary. So, putting certain humans or a whole humanity to this category is obviously making them lower and less perfect, than animals. Therefore, performing it a dilemma occurs here: to kill those certain ones because they are just lower, than animal (showing by it self-animality), or to kill them as an animal (also not showing anything clever). Then why to do it at all? Even suicide ones who finally dared to perform a suicide act demonstrated the strong will, and it means they proved their willfulness, their real purposes: not just verbally notifications. And that separate them into some not bad category, not into the one where the other parts of humanity rest. |
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 13, 2021 4:31:34 GMT
To kill: whichever a self, or another one – requires some psychic resources, i.e. a person must be able to dare to perform it. Killing the same-look or the same-image isn't good even for the animal life. It'd rather happen rarely and accidentally, than necessary. So, putting certain humans or a whole humanity to this category is obviously making them lower and less perfect, than animals. Therefore, performing it a dilemma occurs here: to kill those certain ones because they are just lower, than animal (showing by it self-animality), or to kill them as an animal (also not showing anything clever). Then why to do it at all? Even suicide ones who finally dared to perform a suicide act demonstrated the strong will, and it means they proved their willfulness, their real purposes: not just verbally notifications. And that separate them into some not bad category, not into the one where the other parts of humanity rest. You raise some good points that need explanation. First, it is true that suicide requires the will to act. I take this for granted but in fact most people don't have this. This makes those capable of suicide considerably superior to the average. Second, the main thing that determines quality of life is other people. So if quality of life is so bad that someone is considering suicide, then it is quite likely that he hates people. This is why I would assume that killing other people would give him pleasure. And again this is something that I just take for granted since I have hated people for some time now. I don't see other people as having anything in common with me. When I look at them, I see deformed stupid beasts, considerably worse than animals. Killing such creatures would only give me pleasure. |
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