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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 21, 2017 22:02:33 GMT
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)
What is your explanation for its meaning? I personally find this verse easy to understand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 22:55:42 GMT
To not rebel, as Christianity - at least in theory - is a very pacifist idea. I guess it's controversial because it doesn't talk badly about slavery, which was trendy in the Antiquity. In the high school during the religion classes (we had such unfortunately) someone asked the priest why Christianity supports slavery and quoted this fragment, while in fact it doesn't support - it just doesn't say "grab a pitchfork and fight like Spartacus" neither. As far as I remember Jesus gave a hint in his Sermon on the Mount to accept the fate, as God supposedly knows better what is good for an individual.
But whether it's a good advise or not is another story.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 21, 2017 23:05:14 GMT
To not rebel, as Christianity - at least in theory - is a very pacifist idea. I guess it's controversial because it doesn't talk badly about slavery, which was trendy in the Antiquity. In the high school during the religion classes (we had such unfortunately) someone asked the priest why Christianity supports slavery and quoted this fragment, while in fact it doesn't support - it just doesn't say "grab a pitchfork and fight like Spartacus" neither. As far as I remember Jesus gave a hint in his Sermon on the Mount to accept the fate, as God supposedly knows better what is good for an individual. But whether it's a good advise or not is another story. I know you don't believe it much but is your family orthodox? If so I am kind of curious how they view this verse and how the different beliefs interract in one household. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 23:17:15 GMT
They are Catholics.
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Post by Mortimer on Sept 22, 2017 2:53:30 GMT
I really dont know. What is your explanation Elizabeth?
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Post by Mortimer on Sept 22, 2017 3:03:51 GMT
I think my guess would be the same as the before poster that you should embrace your fate (bear your cross as christians say) "submitt also to the cruel" and dont rebel. I dont know whether thats good or not though. Im now really curious about your interpretation Elizabeth.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 22, 2017 5:51:20 GMT
Ok so here is my meaning of it. For the word slave it can mean any title really where you have someone higher than you who would be the master. I don't necessarily think it means just slave. Basically a worker and his boss can work in this case. Like at my work I am the worker (slave) and my boss is the master. My boss tells me what to do and if I don't want to get fired or be in trouble I must listen to my boss (master). Sometimes you may not like your boss/master so he may not not nice or cruel as the verse puts it. So this is second part of the verse...so whether you like your master/boss or not you must show him respect by still listening to him or I guess you can get a new master but if not you must learn to work with a cruel master. Or another case would be slave (people) and God (master). In this case God the master is always good and we must obey and respect Him. In the world we may have cruel masters though but must respect them nonetheless unless well a new master is needed. But in general, God wants us to be respectful and good to all.
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Post by Mortimer on Sept 22, 2017 13:12:51 GMT
Good interpretation Elizabeth
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Post by aspamonies on Nov 18, 2017 6:25:47 GMT
f the Bible says slave are to submit to their masters, it means that, slaves must be loyal to their masters and they shouldn't give up if their masters treat them badly. God will bless such servant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 10:30:27 GMT
The first thing which comes to my mind is - What's the definition of slaves here?
Who are the masters? And for what reasons, the masters are being written as cruel, this is still easy, though. But what's is being referred here?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 10:36:53 GMT
Russian translation Итак будьте покорны всякому человеческому начальству, для Господа: царю ли, как верховной власти, 14 правителям ли, как от него посылаемым для наказания преступников и для поощрения делающих добро,- 15 ибо такова есть воля Божия, чтобы мы, делая добро, заграждали уста невежеству безумных людей,- Гал 5, 13 16 как свободные, не как употребляющие свободу для прикрытия зла, но как рабы Божии. 1 Пет 1, 22 Рим 12, 10 17 Всех почитайте, братство любите, Бога бойтесь, царя чтите. 18 Слуги, со всяким страхом повинуйтесь господам, не только добрым и кротким, но и суровым. Как мы видим отсутствует слово - раб- , а есть -слуга- (Звучит не так жестко да?  Монархисты ссылаются на этот текст что здесь указанна монархия как единственно верный путь указанный Богом! Как по мне это просто указания подчиненным слушать свое начальство! |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 10:45:58 GMT
Ты Библию в каком переводе и какой редакции читаешь на английском языке? Это важно! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:04:56 GMT
Ok so here is my meaning of it. For the word slave it can mean any title really where you have someone higher than you who would be the master. I don't necessarily think it means just slave. Basically a worker and his boss can work in this case. Like at my work I am the worker (slave) and my boss is the master. My boss tells me what to do and if I don't want to get fired or be in trouble I must listen to my boss (master). Sometimes you may not like your boss/master so he may not not nice or cruel as the verse puts it. So this is second part of the verse...so whether you like your master/boss or not you must show him respect by still listening to him or I guess you can get a new master but if not you must learn to work with a cruel master. Or another case would be slave (people) and God (master). In this case God the master is always good and we must obey and respect Him. In the world we may have cruel masters though but must respect them nonetheless unless well a new master is needed. But in general, God wants us to be respectful and good to all. Isn't this in terms of corporate? But I don't think so that Bible and Jesus would talk about corporations. It might have some different meaning. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 11:12:18 GMT
Ok so here is my meaning of it. For the word slave it can mean any title really where you have someone higher than you who would be the master. I don't necessarily think it means just slave. Basically a worker and his boss can work in this case. Like at my work I am the worker (slave) and my boss is the master. My boss tells me what to do and if I don't want to get fired or be in trouble I must listen to my boss (master). Sometimes you may not like your boss/master so he may not not nice or cruel as the verse puts it. So this is second part of the verse...so whether you like your master/boss or not you must show him respect by still listening to him or I guess you can get a new master but if not you must learn to work with a cruel master. Or another case would be slave (people) and God (master). In this case God the master is always good and we must obey and respect Him. In the world we may have cruel masters though but must respect them nonetheless unless well a new master is needed. But in general, God wants us to be respectful and good to all. Isn't this in terms of corporate? But I don't think so that Bible and Jesus would talk about corporations. It might have some different meaning. Here we are talking about people's obedience to his superiors! Nothing more in my opinion! In English there is the word -slave- although in other translations it doesn't sound so tough! |
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Post by supralycan on Dec 25, 2017 10:39:16 GMT
Another part i love of this story his jesus dont care if a women sell his body or steal for living cause he know hes the system roman who is just demoniac and sic he try he lost now want we belive is satan the devil is actualy jesus see by evil eyes..who you think whrite bible ceasar  |
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