calmac
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Post by calmac on Jan 8, 2021 18:20:41 GMT
Hi all. I'm doing some intensive research into the history of Bernicia, Northumbria's Northern Kingdom, and of neighbouring Lothian, which came under Bernician rule in the 7th century. It seems to me that the genetic data could settle a lot of issues which have been the subject of debate for historians and archaeologists for several decades and I'm hoping that some of the experts here might be kind enough to help give me a little guidance, as someone who has almost no understanding of the genetic data, as well as point me to any relevant studies and articles.
I'm very aware of the historical and archaeological evidence for Bernicia and Lothian, as well as the usual interpretations of them, so I'm specifically and exclusively looking for insight into what the genetic data itself reveals, rather than a restating of what are believed to be the historical facts, or the various interpretations of them.
My particular focus is the issue of Anglian settlement in Bernicia and across the Tweed in Lothian. For decades now, archaeologists have been commenting on the distinct lack of evidence for the Anglo-Saxons north of the Tees. Historians too have concluded that Bernicia must have remained overwhelmingly British Celtic in terms of population with very little Anglian settlement, mainly at the 'elite level'.
It seems to me, as a layman, that the PoBI data supports this position, with Northumbria looking quite unlike England South of the Tees and with relatively low levels of GER3 (lower than Cornwall and even parts of North East Scotland).
Strangely, although most historians and archaeologists happily acknowledge the great lack of evidence for any significant Anglo-Saxon settlement north of the Tees, it is still common - when the context switches to Scottish History - to speak of heavy Anglian settlement in Lothian, which is obviously a bit of a contradiction, as Lothian would naturally have less Anglian settlement than the entity (Bernicia) which is supposed to have settled it - not more.
However, what little data there is for Lothian in the PoBI project also shows - as I understand it - very little Anglian ancestry, with none of the tell tale red squares of the PoBI map which litter Central and South Eastern England making it much further than Newcastle.
Anyway, I'm hoping some of the more experienced posters here might offer their thoughts on this subject of Bernicia and Lothian and the Angles and perhaps point me in the right direction.
I look forward to hearing any comments and discussing them with you.
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Post by lorac on Jan 9, 2021 13:16:27 GMT
The Genetic make up of people living in the UK There is a detailed breakdown of the British Isles make up to be found if you follow the link. They have detailed graphs etc that are easy to understand. Up to date survey taken 2016. Even today, Britons live in communities formed at least 1,500 years ago. There is a strong sense of regional Identity, the many conquerors married and settled in the areas they arrived at. England is a melting pot for many …German, French, Scandinavians to name just a few. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3711040Hope this is of some interest to help you
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Post by lorac on Jan 10, 2021 8:54:25 GMT
History of the Kingdom of Northumbria (englandsnortheast.co.uk) This is a detailed timeline of the Anglo Saxon Era 450 AD- 866 AD. It sets the scene in the latter part of the Roman rule, so we get an understanding of how and why the northern region was to be settled and conquered and ruled in this troubled Anglo-Saxon era. It then continues to detail the Early Settlements and then probably what will interest you most….547 AD an important event in the Angles' political and military seizure of the North. It is a year often regarded as the first real date in the history of the kingdom that would come to be known as Northumbria. It is likely that the Angle chief called Ida the Flamebearer who already had a foothold in the Tyne, Wear and Tees region, expanded and the vicinity of Din Guyaroi (or Din Guaire) was an important addition to Ida's expanding Kingdom of Bernicia. The name of this emerging kingdom was like Deira, probably an adaptation of an existing Celtic name and would come to be synonymous with the North Eastern region in the centuries to come. There also follows more details of later Rulers and the development of Christianity. Great straightforward reading and hopefully will help you in your studies and at the same time link with genetic understanding of the grouping and variety of Haplogroups in Great Britain. click the link below and follow instructions www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/Click on the word ‘History’ to the right of the page top line. A drop-down list will then show North East Timeline for the above information and more. There is more information that might be of interest to you on that drop down list too.
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Post by calmac on Jan 12, 2021 12:38:03 GMT
Thanks for the links Lorac. I'll be sure to have a good look at them.
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