tamara
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Ethnicity: Flemish
Country: Born in Flanders, Living in the Netherlands
Location: The Low Countries
Ancestry: Germanic / Franco-Gaulish/ Bohemian
Politics: Right-wing Conservative
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Post by tamara on Oct 29, 2020 20:07:09 GMT
Do you speak a dialect? How well do you speak it and are you planning to teach your children in it? My native dialect my parents educated me is the dialect called Antwerps, its generally spoken in the city of ASntwerp and its direct surroundings, Belgium, part of the Dutch linguistic area. I speak the dialect better then that I can write it. I dont use the language, since where I now live, no one would be able to understand it anyway. I have no kids, but I surely intending to pass the language on. Antwerps: nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpsasterix-obelix.nl/?lng=an
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Clovis Merovingian
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 30, 2020 6:29:15 GMT
I live in the capital of South Carolina and the younger generation here does not speak with a Southern accent as the older generation does. It's part of the tragic trend of regional accents and dialects slowly disappearing in favor of that bland general American Midwestern accent you are likely to associate with most Americans. I was also irritated in high school when the girls would try to emulate that idiotic California valley girl dialect where you say "like" all the time.
My father speaks with a Lowland Southern accent and dialect. If you read the book Albion's Seed by historian David Hackett Fisher in his section about the "speech ways" or dialect of the Southern English Cavaliers that settled coastal Virginia in the 17th century who's speech patterns spread throughout the lower South being the ancestors of the speech of both whites in this part of the South and black Americans in general, my father uses a lot of the words and expressions found within.
In general, I am very close to my father and as a kid, I would mimic the way he talked and thus I have absorbed many aspects of his dialect. So yes, I kind of speak with a lower South dialect.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 30, 2020 21:00:29 GMT
Here it's called as slobozhanskiy [слобожанський] accent. I like this accent the most; Grigory Skovoroda spoke in this dialect.
Some says my accent in English is close to Southern. I do like this, because I believe the Southern accent is the most native and the most closer to the first settlers accent.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Elder
Posts: 2,689
Likes: 1,757
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 12, 2020 5:28:49 GMT
Here it's called as slobozhanskiy [слобожанський] accent. I like this accent the most; Grigory Skovoroda spoke in this dialect. Some says my accent in English is close to Southern. I do like this, because I believe the Southern accent is the most native and the most closer to the first settlers accent. Well it depends on what region of the USA you're talking about. Below is a map of American dialects. As you can see, on the eastern part of the map there are four bands stretching from the East Coast to the limits of the West where the settlers mixed together creating a leveled dialect. Each of these dialects traces back to the first settlers of the United States. The most Northern band traces back to the accent of East Anglia in the 17th century because the first settlers there were Puritans and their descendents from East Anglia. That accent and dialect was kind of a harsh metallic nasally whine. The Midland area traces back to the 17th century Midlands of England because it was settled by Quakers from the Midlands of England and their descendants and is where the bland general American accent comes from. The inland South traces back to the borders area of England and Scotland in the 17th century because the area was settled by Scots Irish from the borders of England and Scotland and the colony they had in Northern Ireland (the Protestants there) and they have a more rhotic form of the Southern accent. The Lowland South has its origins in Southern England in the 17th century because the area was settled by Southern English Cavaliers either directly from England or second hand through Barbados and the original dialect of that area would be similar to the black dialect today but it diverged into a white and a black dialect that are related but different. This is all written about in the book I mentioned Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer. It is a myth that the United States was settled by a homogenous WASP group or that we all trace our origins to Puritans (the original settlers in my area HATED Puritans). Different regions were settled by different people for very different reasons creating very different cultures.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 16, 2020 18:01:47 GMT
Here it's called as slobozhanskiy [слобожанський] accent. I like this accent the most; Grigory Skovoroda spoke in this dialect. Some says my accent in English is close to Southern. I do like this, because I believe the Southern accent is the most native and the most closer to the first settlers accent. Well it depends on what region of the USA you're talking about. Below is a map of American dialects. As you can see, on the eastern part of the map there are four bands stretching from the East Coast to the limits of the West where the settlers mixed together creating a leveled dialect. Each of these dialects traces back to the first settlers of the United States. The most Northern band traces back to the accent of East Anglia in the 17th century because the first settlers there were Puritans and their descendents from East Anglia. That accent and dialect was kind of a harsh metallic nasally whine. The Midland area traces back to the 17th century Midlands of England because it was settled by Quakers from the Midlands of England and their descendants and is where the bland general American accent comes from. The inland South traces back to the borders area of England and Scotland in the 17th century because the area was settled by Scots Irish from the borders of England and Scotland and the colony they had in Northern Ireland (the Protestants there) and they have a more rhotic form of the Southern accent. The Lowland South has its origins in Southern England in the 17th century because the area was settled by Southern English Cavaliers either directly from England or second hand through Barbados and the original dialect of that area would be similar to the black dialect today but it diverged into a white and a black dialect that are related but different. This is all written about in the book I mentioned Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer. It is a myth that the United States was settled by a homogenous WASP group or that we all trace our origins to Puritans (the original settlers in my area HATED Puritans). Different regions were settled by different people for very different reasons creating very different cultures. Clovis, you ARE Sherlock Holmes. Your style to investigate something is impressive. Look, may I ask you? Do you have a library at home? Or maybe you like to just google info? I just curious about that, because I can't keep asking 'how Clovis developed all his analytical skills?'. Because my knowledge of history is below... below below zero, than I can't get some facts as a whole picture. Many historical events tear me down. When I'm reading about Borgia or Nero, or Alexander the Great, or some other episode I start feeling sadness and some dank, chilly, maybe oozy; it feels like nasty weather has come to you from the inside. So, instead I usually try to visualize the event from my points of view, and through my own experience. Sometimes a drop of vine helps me to imagine. About your arguments in general: you know, being honestly, the history doesn't seem to me as an argumentative source. Really. But instead of it I try to comprehend things just via dialogues and talks. And I know that you are nice guy, and I do believe your relatives and close friends are too. So, exactly this makes me believes in that all the ancestry you have were indeed good persons.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Elder
Posts: 2,689
Likes: 1,757
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 16, 2020 21:46:48 GMT
Well it depends on what region of the USA you're talking about. Below is a map of American dialects. As you can see, on the eastern part of the map there are four bands stretching from the East Coast to the limits of the West where the settlers mixed together creating a leveled dialect. Each of these dialects traces back to the first settlers of the United States. The most Northern band traces back to the accent of East Anglia in the 17th century because the first settlers there were Puritans and their descendents from East Anglia. That accent and dialect was kind of a harsh metallic nasally whine. The Midland area traces back to the 17th century Midlands of England because it was settled by Quakers from the Midlands of England and their descendants and is where the bland general American accent comes from. The inland South traces back to the borders area of England and Scotland in the 17th century because the area was settled by Scots Irish from the borders of England and Scotland and the colony they had in Northern Ireland (the Protestants there) and they have a more rhotic form of the Southern accent. The Lowland South has its origins in Southern England in the 17th century because the area was settled by Southern English Cavaliers either directly from England or second hand through Barbados and the original dialect of that area would be similar to the black dialect today but it diverged into a white and a black dialect that are related but different. This is all written about in the book I mentioned Albion's Seed by David Hackett Fischer. It is a myth that the United States was settled by a homogenous WASP group or that we all trace our origins to Puritans (the original settlers in my area HATED Puritans). Different regions were settled by different people for very different reasons creating very different cultures. Clovis, you ARE Sherlock Holmes. Your style to investigate something is impressive. Look, may I ask you? Do you have a library at home? Or maybe you like to just google info? I just curious about that, because I can't keep asking 'how Clovis developed all his analytical skills?'. Because my knowledge of history is below... below below zero, than I can't get some facts as a whole picture. Many historical events tear me down. When I'm reading about Borgia or Nero, or Alexander the Great, or some other episode I start feeling sadness and some dank, chilly, maybe oozy; it feels like nasty weather has come to you from the inside. So, instead I usually try to visualize the event from my points of view, and through my own experience. Sometimes a drop of vine helps me to imagine. About your arguments in general: you know, being honestly, the history doesn't seem to me as an argumentative source. Really. But instead of it I try to comprehend things just via dialogues and talks. And I know that you are nice guy, and I do believe your relatives and close friends are too. So, exactly this makes me believes in that all the ancestry you have were indeed good persons. Oh, i'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to inform you what the most native original dialects of the first settlers are. In answer to your question. I do have a lot of books by various scholars on various subjects, so yes a small library. I just have very good research skills and on my free time i'm usually researching stuff from scholars about subjects that I am fixated on at the moment. It's just a natural skill I have I guess.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 16, 2020 22:58:17 GMT
Clovis, you ARE Sherlock Holmes. Your style to investigate something is impressive. Look, may I ask you? Do you have a library at home? Or maybe you like to just google info? I just curious about that, because I can't keep asking 'how Clovis developed all his analytical skills?'. Because my knowledge of history is below... below below zero, than I can't get some facts as a whole picture. Many historical events tear me down. When I'm reading about Borgia or Nero, or Alexander the Great, or some other episode I start feeling sadness and some dank, chilly, maybe oozy; it feels like nasty weather has come to you from the inside. So, instead I usually try to visualize the event from my points of view, and through my own experience. Sometimes a drop of vine helps me to imagine. About your arguments in general: you know, being honestly, the history doesn't seem to me as an argumentative source. Really. But instead of it I try to comprehend things just via dialogues and talks. And I know that you are nice guy, and I do believe your relatives and close friends are too. So, exactly this makes me believes in that all the ancestry you have were indeed good persons. Oh, i'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to inform you what the most native original dialects of the first settlers are. In answer to your question. I do have a lot of books by various scholars on various subjects, so yes a small library. I just have very good research skills and on my free time i'm usually researching stuff from scholars about subjects that I am fixated on at the moment. It's just a natural skill I have I guess. No, it's not just natural - it is obviously clear that you (=your brains or your mind, or, in general, all your intellectual abilities) work hard. I do apologize for abandoning the theme, but would you like to become a scholar or a librarian? Or maybe a detective, a historicist? Today such professions aren't at the same level as, for instance, all computer-attend jobs, but all those really good images from the past mostly were uphold by professionals in those affairs. There were plenty of good detectives, or maybe headhunters, enough brave rangers or quick telegraphists, etc. Present day's cocoon is threaded round a set of servers. Maybe it's not so bad image of reality, but I find it to be pretty narrow and poor.
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Clovis Merovingian
Prestige/VIP
Elder
Posts: 2,689
Likes: 1,757
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 16, 2020 23:15:53 GMT
Oh, i'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to inform you what the most native original dialects of the first settlers are. In answer to your question. I do have a lot of books by various scholars on various subjects, so yes a small library. I just have very good research skills and on my free time i'm usually researching stuff from scholars about subjects that I am fixated on at the moment. It's just a natural skill I have I guess. No, it's not just natural - it is obviously clear that you (=your brains or your mind, or, in general, all your intellectual abilities) work hard. I do apologize for abandoning the theme, but would you like to become a scholar or a librarian? Or maybe a detective, a historicist? Today such professions aren't at the same level as, for instance, all computer-attend jobs, but all those really good images from the past mostly were uphold by professionals in those affairs. There were plenty of good detectives, or maybe headhunters, enough brave rangers or quick telegraphists, etc. Present day's cocoon is threaded round a set of servers. Maybe it's not so bad image of reality, but I find it to be pretty narrow and poor. Thank you for the compliment. I do actually have a degree in Criminal Justice so being a detective is not out of the question, but as to what i'm actually going to do? I don't know. I just go where God leads me.
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