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Post by johnbc on Oct 29, 2020 0:58:15 GMT
The greatest and most wonderful of terrestrial beings was, is and will always be the Blessed Virgin Mary. It is necessary to be spiritually blind - or never to have thought about it - in order not to understand something so obvious. The problem with many evangelicals is not that they do not know the Gospel. They do not know the physiology of pregnancy. Respond once and for all: Was He the blood of Mary or not? When Jesus gave His blood at the Last Supper, was it Mary's blood or not? Someone there really thinks that a woman can be praised by angels, fertilized by the Holy Spirit, carry God in her belly for nine months, feed Him with her own blood, breastfeed Him, suffer persecution for Him, cry at the Cross and then become just "one of us", with no more divine mission to fulfill? This is not a "feud of Protestants and Catholics", but a legitimate protest against the theological pretensions of semi-illiterate boys, whether they are Catholics or Protestants. Do you know what a " topos" is, a commonplace? It is an endlessly repeated phrase that becomes a self-supporting premise for the use of any joe. " The Catholic Church has the blood of innocents on its hands" appears in every mouth of evangelicals. None of them studied to learn that the Protestant Reformation killed in ONE YEAR more people than the courts of the Inquisition in four centuries. Nor that "witch hunts" has only occurred in Protestant countries. The phrase works by itself, without the need for facts. Another urban legend of Protestant invention: Protestantism generates prosperity, Catholicism is backward. Until the 18th century, two hundred and so years after the Reformation, Germany was backward and miserable, and the most powerful and prosperous country was France. The progress of Protestant nations did not begin until the 19th century, just when the influence of the Reformed Church declined. In the US the Protestant industry of anti-Catholic urban legends is one of the most prosperous - and almost all Protestant pastors are Freemasons. For five centuries Protestants have invented urban legends to scoff at the Catholic Church, and then want polite answers. They all go to shit. These people think that illiteracy is infused wisdom. How many films has Hollywood made to fuel the "Inquisition" legend? And when was any done to deny it? NEVER. How many films have not been made to suggest that the devil is more powerful than Catholic exorcism? However, Evangelicals drool over admiration for any mockery of exorcism done by any pastor. You really don’t have, I don’t say even a drop of Christian pity, but a shred of shame on your face? I will give you a brief list of cinematic superproductions and anti-Catholic TV shows promoted by evangelical churches in the USA - a storm of calumnies comparable to that of Communist origin, and which Catholics keep silent for fear of hurting Protestant susceptibilities. Nor do I speak, of course, of the insults against the "genocidal Inquisition" and the "great whore of Babylon" that are heard daily in the evangelical churches of the USA. I'm not even talking about academic books of the same content. I speak only of the part that has been consolidated in "show business" productions. Just a few samples to start. Tell me: how much did all this cost and how much did it profit from all this shit. Responding to this with theological arguments is nonsense. The Godfather Part III The Mists of Avalon The Da Vinci Code The Name of the Rose Philomena The Exorcist Stigmata Dogma Monty Python’s Life of Brian The Last Temptation of Christ Elizabeth Angels & Demons The Others V for Vendetta Ladyhawke I repeat: if your theological arguments are as good and sublime as you imagine them, why do you have to reinforce them with so many lies, with so many intrigues, with so many urban legends and factoids? If I accuse you of a crime and you answer me with "Sola scriptura", you are launching Lutheranism IN THE TOILET. Before shouting at a few lines I wrote, tell me: How many times, in your church, did you not hear, silently and smiling, your pastor call the Catholic Church the “great whore of Babylon”? How many times have you been talking to him and asking him to stop "breaking the alliance"? Complementing my post: Attributing to the Reformation the real and imaginary merits of American democracy is, at the very least, a bad joke. America's founders came to the New World to escape the persecution they suffered not from the Catholic Church, but from the same Reformed Church that also persecuted Catholics. Marcel Gauchet, in the voluminous masterpiece " L'Avènement de la Démocratie", gave full proof that the Protestant Reformation was primarily and directly responsible for the divinization of the state. It is not surprising that Hitler saw Luther as one of his precursors. A union of pure opportunity, without respect for common moral principles, is a divided house destined to collapse. I am not asking evangelicals to renounce their beliefs, but to renounce their crimes, which, in addition to enriching them, have incalculably favored the rise of atheism in the world. I know very well how to distinguish the origin of buzzwords and urban legends. I do not confuse the Enlightenment-Atheistic lineage with the Protestant one. I know, for example, that the "black legend" of the Inquisition is an FULL Protestant creation, just as the myth of the imprisoned nuns (La Réligieuse, by Diderot) is an illuminist one. I don't attribute the crimes of others to one. The myth of "selling indulgences" is also a Protestant invention. Illuminists and atheists added nothing to it. WHY have the cases of pedophile priests been so explored in the media, in show business and in evangelical pulpits, if their number was much smaller - both in absolute numbers and in statistical comparison - than that of Protestant pedophile pastors? "Cursing them for what you are, accusing them of what you do." www.huffingtonpost.com/.../the-protestant-clergy... The Gospels are NOT Christian revelation. Revelation is the COMING of Our Lord and the facts of His life. The Gospels are a testimony written many years later. Not understanding this is the consequence of taking the book as if it were the incarnate salvation, the same happens in the Islamic religion. Another heresy is to think that only "faith" saves. Of course, if that were so, the devil would be saved, but we are saved by the GRACE of Christ received in the Eucharist and in the remission of sins (confession). |
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Post by The Cathar on Nov 4, 2020 22:38:14 GMT
So tell me more about the Albigensian Crusade?
Tell me about the tender mercies of the Inquisition and the gentle methods of Bernardo Gui?
Tell me about Arnaud Almaric and the (in)famous order he gave at the siege of Beziers?
Now, in the interest of fairness, the Church has finally- hundreds of years after the fact- apologized for at least some of this. And, in that spirit, I am prepared to forgive- but not to forget.
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Post by johnbc on Nov 4, 2020 23:01:58 GMT
So tell me more about the Albigensian Crusade? Tell me about the tender mercies of the Inquisition and the gentle methods of Bernardo Gui? Tell me about Arnaud Almaric and the (in)famous order he gave at the siege of Beziers? Now, in the interest of fairness, the Church has finally- hundreds of years after the fact- apologized for at least some of this. And, in that spirit, I am prepared to forgive- but not to forget. The crusades were beautiful and moral and we need a new inquisition to fix the declining West, where most people in cities are diagnosed as mad schizophrenics and pedophilia, transsexualism and all kinds of perversion are promoted as something good and healthy. The church did well to rid the world of these heretics, just as it did by excommunicating Freemasons, Communists, etc. You doubt me? Just look at the candidate running for the most powerful country on the planet; a sick old man, pedophile, criminal, and who said openly that he undertook the biggest electoral fraud in history. Half the people in that country are voting for him, therefore they are as crazy as him or worse. The Cathars were a heretical sect that are burning in hell. Repent because you don't want to go there. |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 4, 2020 23:48:27 GMT
I'm a protestant but I respect the Catholic Church and its place in the history of Western Civilization. I think as an organization it does a lot of good in the world and I think that the average Catholic has a type of faith that will save them on the day of judgment. I just cannot join the Catholic Church as I know at least one of their infallible doctrines to be wrong, the doctrine of "no salvation outside the Catholic Church". I have met so many protestants clearly touched by the spirit of God and of course where God's spirit is so there is his endorsement. There's also the fact that the current Pope is very liberal and in my opinion very unchristian and if the so-called true Church can be compromised at the highest level like that how can I trust it? The only thing I can trust for sure is scripture as God said that he would preserve his word.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 5, 2020 3:28:31 GMT
What did this human do exactly? Die on a cross? Provide salvation? Sit on the throne? No to all of the above so she's an average human as all humans are as I see it. We don't need her for heaven or anything really. God/Jesus is the truth, the way, and the life for humans and no one else can take this place.
Personally, no other human matters no matter who they are. Anyone can worship or honor who they want but I'm only gonna do that with Jesus so I don't waste my time.
Acts 4:12
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
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Post by The Cathar on Nov 5, 2020 16:54:58 GMT
So tell me more about the Albigensian Crusade? Tell me about the tender mercies of the Inquisition and the gentle methods of Bernardo Gui? Tell me about Arnaud Almaric and the (in)famous order he gave at the siege of Beziers? Now, in the interest of fairness, the Church has finally- hundreds of years after the fact- apologized for at least some of this. And, in that spirit, I am prepared to forgive- but not to forget. The crusades were beautiful and moral and we need a new inquisition to fix the declining West, where most people in cities are diagnosed as mad schizophrenics and pedophilia, transsexualism and all kinds of perversion are promoted as something good and healthy. The church did well to rid the world of these heretics, just as it did by excommunicating Freemasons, Communists, etc. You doubt me? Just look at the candidate running for the most powerful country on the planet; a sick old man, pedophile, criminal, and who said openly that he undertook the biggest electoral fraud in history. Half the people in that country are voting for him, therefore they are as crazy as him or worse. The Cathars were a heretical sect that are burning in hell. Repent because you don't want to go there. Let's assume you're right and the Church brings the Inquisition back out again and puts YOU in charge of it. How would you go about 'fixing the declining West' and deal with all these modern-day 'heretics'? Now keep in mind that if a person is not a Catholic, excommunication means absolutely nothing to them, so you'll have to do better than that. Do you suggest bringing back the Rack and Spanish Boot to wring confessions out of suspected heretics? Once you have those confessions, do you intend to hang those persons or go all-out traditional and burn them alive at the stake? While we're at it, what is your plan to deal with those millions of Protestants out there who, I'm sure, fit your definition of 'heretic' as well? Convert or burn? What about Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists- is it fire and sword for them as well? As for the Cathars, they were not of the Church and, as such, Pope Innocent III had no authority to label them as heretics. You can label Catholics as heretics if they claim to be Catholic and preach something different from the official line, but if one isn't a Catholic nor professes to be one, then they can't be labeled as such. The Cathars were slaughtered for their land and because they posed a threat to the Church- but they were not heretics. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 5, 2020 20:25:21 GMT
The crusades were beautiful and moral and we need a new inquisition to fix the declining West, where most people in cities are diagnosed as mad schizophrenics and pedophilia, transsexualism and all kinds of perversion are promoted as something good and healthy. The church did well to rid the world of these heretics, just as it did by excommunicating Freemasons, Communists, etc. You doubt me? Just look at the candidate running for the most powerful country on the planet; a sick old man, pedophile, criminal, and who said openly that he undertook the biggest electoral fraud in history. Half the people in that country are voting for him, therefore they are as crazy as him or worse. The Cathars were a heretical sect that are burning in hell. Repent because you don't want to go there. Let's assume you're right and the Church brings the Inquisition back out again and puts YOU in charge of it. How would you go about 'fixing the declining West' and deal with all these modern-day 'heretics'? Now keep in mind that if a person is not a Catholic, excommunication means absolutely nothing to them, so you'll have to do better than that. Do you suggest bringing back the Rack and Spanish Boot to wring confessions out of suspected heretics? Once you have those confessions, do you intend to hang those persons or go all-out traditional and burn them alive at the stake? While we're at it, what is your plan to deal with those millions of Protestants out there who, I'm sure, fit your definition of 'heretic' as well? Convert or burn? What about Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists- is it fire and sword for them as well? As for the Cathars, they were not of the Church and, as such, Pope Innocent III had no authority to label them as heretics. You can label Catholics as heretics if they claim to be Catholic and preach something different from the official line, but if one isn't a Catholic nor professes to be one, then they can't be labeled as such. The Cathars were slaughtered for their land and because they posed a threat to the Church- but they were not heretics. Personally, I don't understand the slaughter thing and I feel bad for the people who were/are being slaughtered by a religious cult. The reason I call it a cult because even though Jesus ran into religious people He disagreed with like Pharisees and Success, He didn't gather His followers to slaughter them. Jesus wasn't there to kill people. That's just messed up act. People need to be left alone to believe what they want. I've actually never heard of Cathars before you joined but we're happy to have you. |
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Post by johnbc on Nov 10, 2020 0:47:16 GMT
What did this human do exactly? Die on a cross? Provide salvation? Sit on the throne? No to all of the above so she's an average human as all humans are as I see it. We don't need her for heaven or anything really. God/Jesus is the truth, the way, and the life for humans and no one else can take this place. Personally, no other human matters no matter who they are. Anyone can worship or honor who they want but I'm only gonna do that with Jesus so I don't waste my time. Acts 4:12 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” After having reminded you of the presence of Mary and the other women at the Cross of the Lord, Saint John says: “When he saw His Mother and with her the disciple He loved, Jesus said to His mother:” 'Woman, behold your son'. Then he said to the disciple: 'Behold your Mother' (Jo.19, 26-27). If you reject Mary as your Mother, automatically you are rejecting God, thus falling into heresy... Honoring father and mother is part of the fourth commandment, and the consequences of honoring them are long-lived on Earth, and that is infinitely more valuable to the Father and Mother in heaven, who has eternal consequences. After the announcement of the angel Gabriel, Mary spent 3 months in the house of her cousin Isabel, just as the ark of the covenant of David spent 3 months in Obed-Edom, which is why she is considered the NEW ark of the covenant, she is the one who carried in the womb the Savior, and as I said, the God's blood was the same blood as Mary's. At the wedding at Cana, she intercedes for Jesus' first miracle. It is a very simple theological fact that she was immaculate, without sin, otherwise Jesus would have been born a sinner and his sacrifice would have served no purpose. Therefore, it is not just any woman, but the most beautiful of creatures. Marian apparitions, miracles and their prophecies in France, Spain, Portugal and more recently in Bosnia are FACTS, not matter of faith. All this mess that is happening in the Catholic clergy, she had already predicted in the 1960s during the time of the Second Vatican Council. She was such a dignified creature that she was the only one after God that ascended to heaven, although hidden, and her mission is to pray for us (to God, her Son). Pray the rosary every day and the devotion of the first 5 Saturdays for her to free you from purgatory.   (Mary points to Jesus, who is the Way) Mariana devotion and Purgatory are dogmas of Christianity, well established since the first century. Do not believe me, search for yourself in the Christian tombs the iconographies of Purgatory and the devotion of Saint Mary. It is also a well-documented fact that the popes of early Christianity had direct contact with the holy apostles of the Bible. That is why I say that only Catholics are Christians, and anyone who deviates from this is said to be a heretic, despite the evidence, facts and even of God's action in the world and in the lives of the Saints, in the Eucharist, apparitions, etc. She even appears in Africa to announce the kingdom of God (https://www.amazon.com.br/Boy-Who-Met-Jesus-Segatashya/dp/1401935818). In the Muslim religion, Muhammad fled the cave at first, thinking that he saw demons. Protestantism was founded on October 31. God gives these clues about what each thing is about, just so we don't deviate from Him... Jesus, even Luther was devoted to Our Lady and do you want to be more Protestant than he? I know that you are an intelligent lady that understand what I am saying. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 10, 2020 20:58:10 GMT
What did this human do exactly? Die on a cross? Provide salvation? Sit on the throne? No to all of the above so she's an average human as all humans are as I see it. We don't need her for heaven or anything really. God/Jesus is the truth, the way, and the life for humans and no one else can take this place. Personally, no other human matters no matter who they are. Anyone can worship or honor who they want but I'm only gonna do that with Jesus so I don't waste my time. Acts 4:12 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” After having reminded you of the presence of Mary and the other women at the Cross of the Lord, Saint John says: “When he saw His Mother and with her the disciple He loved, Jesus said to His mother:” 'Woman, behold your son'. Then he said to the disciple: 'Behold your Mother' (Jo.19, 26-27). If you reject Mary as your Mother, automatically you are rejecting God, thus falling into heresy... Honoring father and mother is part of the fourth commandment, and the consequences of honoring them are long-lived on Earth, and that is infinitely more valuable to the Father and Mother in heaven, who has eternal consequences. After the announcement of the angel Gabriel, Mary spent 3 months in the house of her cousin Isabel, just as the ark of the covenant of David spent 3 months in Obed-Edom, which is why she is considered the NEW ark of the covenant, she is the one who carried in the womb the Savior, and as I said, the God's blood was the same blood as Mary's. At the wedding at Cana, she intercedes for Jesus' first miracle. It is a very simple theological fact that she was immaculate, without sin, otherwise Jesus would have been born a sinner and his sacrifice would have served no purpose. Therefore, it is not just any woman, but the most beautiful of creatures. Marian apparitions, miracles and their prophecies in France, Spain, Portugal and more recently in Bosnia are FACTS, not matter of faith. All this mess that is happening in the Catholic clergy, she had already predicted in the 1960s during the time of the Second Vatican Council. She was such a dignified creature that she was the only one after God that ascended to heaven, although hidden, and her mission is to pray for us (to God, her Son). Pray the rosary every day and the devotion of the first 5 Saturdays for her to free you from purgatory. (Mary points to Jesus, who is the Way) Mariana devotion and Purgatory are dogmas of Christianity, well established since the first century. Do not believe me, search for yourself in the Christian tombs the iconographies of Purgatory and the devotion of Saint Mary. It is also a well-documented fact that the popes of early Christianity had direct contact with the holy apostles of the Bible. That is why I say that only Catholics are Christians, and anyone who deviates from this is said to be a heretic, despite the evidence, facts and even of God's action in the world and in the lives of the Saints, in the Eucharist, apparitions, etc. She even appears in Africa to announce the kingdom of God (https://www.amazon.com.br/Boy-Who-Met-Jesus-Segatashya/dp/1401935818). In the Muslim religion, Muhammad fled the cave at first, thinking that he saw demons. Protestantism was founded on October 31. God gives these clues about what each thing is about, just so we don't deviate from Him... Jesus, even Luther was devoted to Our Lady and do you want to be more Protestant than he? I know that you are an intelligent lady that understand what I am saying. Protestants are the same as Latins. Both groups have a deviation. Some exaggerate something( Catholics) others minimize Christianity (Protestants). The roots of Western heresy began in the era of Charlemagne. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 11, 2020 13:30:46 GMT
After having reminded you of the presence of Mary and the other women at the Cross of the Lord, Saint John says: “When he saw His Mother and with her the disciple He loved, Jesus said to His mother:” 'Woman, behold your son'. Then he said to the disciple: 'Behold your Mother' (Jo.19, 26-27). If you reject Mary as your Mother, automatically you are rejecting God, thus falling into heresy... Honoring father and mother is part of the fourth commandment, and the consequences of honoring them are long-lived on Earth, and that is infinitely more valuable to the Father and Mother in heaven, who has eternal consequences. After the announcement of the angel Gabriel, Mary spent 3 months in the house of her cousin Isabel, just as the ark of the covenant of David spent 3 months in Obed-Edom, which is why she is considered the NEW ark of the covenant, she is the one who carried in the womb the Savior, and as I said, the God's blood was the same blood as Mary's. At the wedding at Cana, she intercedes for Jesus' first miracle. It is a very simple theological fact that she was immaculate, without sin, otherwise Jesus would have been born a sinner and his sacrifice would have served no purpose. Therefore, it is not just any woman, but the most beautiful of creatures. Marian apparitions, miracles and their prophecies in France, Spain, Portugal and more recently in Bosnia are FACTS, not matter of faith. All this mess that is happening in the Catholic clergy, she had already predicted in the 1960s during the time of the Second Vatican Council. She was such a dignified creature that she was the only one after God that ascended to heaven, although hidden, and her mission is to pray for us (to God, her Son). Pray the rosary every day and the devotion of the first 5 Saturdays for her to free you from purgatory. (Mary points to Jesus, who is the Way) Mariana devotion and Purgatory are dogmas of Christianity, well established since the first century. Do not believe me, search for yourself in the Christian tombs the iconographies of Purgatory and the devotion of Saint Mary. It is also a well-documented fact that the popes of early Christianity had direct contact with the holy apostles of the Bible. That is why I say that only Catholics are Christians, and anyone who deviates from this is said to be a heretic, despite the evidence, facts and even of God's action in the world and in the lives of the Saints, in the Eucharist, apparitions, etc. She even appears in Africa to announce the kingdom of God (https://www.amazon.com.br/Boy-Who-Met-Jesus-Segatashya/dp/1401935818). In the Muslim religion, Muhammad fled the cave at first, thinking that he saw demons. Protestantism was founded on October 31. God gives these clues about what each thing is about, just so we don't deviate from Him... Jesus, even Luther was devoted to Our Lady and do you want to be more Protestant than he? I know that you are an intelligent lady that understand what I am saying. Protestants are the same as Latins. Both groups have a deviation. Some exaggerate something( Catholics) others minimize Christianity (Protestants). The roots of Western heresy began in the era of Charlemagne. Perhaps, even earlier. I don't remember the name of that historician... (I guess it's... I forgot... That historician was a preacher) he said that not understanding of translations of the difficult terms within Orthodox traditions (Fathers Cappadocian at the time dealt with complex philosophical problems, while the West was about to get away from Gunnes and Ost-, West-Gottes riders). For instance, the nature of Trinity was being developed much earlier in Orthodox (it confirms David Bradshaw the philosopher – I had posted a video of his lecture earlier). |
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Post by johnbc on Nov 12, 2020 0:15:25 GMT
After having reminded you of the presence of Mary and the other women at the Cross of the Lord, Saint John says: “When he saw His Mother and with her the disciple He loved, Jesus said to His mother:” 'Woman, behold your son'. Then he said to the disciple: 'Behold your Mother' (Jo.19, 26-27). If you reject Mary as your Mother, automatically you are rejecting God, thus falling into heresy... Honoring father and mother is part of the fourth commandment, and the consequences of honoring them are long-lived on Earth, and that is infinitely more valuable to the Father and Mother in heaven, who has eternal consequences. After the announcement of the angel Gabriel, Mary spent 3 months in the house of her cousin Isabel, just as the ark of the covenant of David spent 3 months in Obed-Edom, which is why she is considered the NEW ark of the covenant, she is the one who carried in the womb the Savior, and as I said, the God's blood was the same blood as Mary's. At the wedding at Cana, she intercedes for Jesus' first miracle. It is a very simple theological fact that she was immaculate, without sin, otherwise Jesus would have been born a sinner and his sacrifice would have served no purpose. Therefore, it is not just any woman, but the most beautiful of creatures. Marian apparitions, miracles and their prophecies in France, Spain, Portugal and more recently in Bosnia are FACTS, not matter of faith. All this mess that is happening in the Catholic clergy, she had already predicted in the 1960s during the time of the Second Vatican Council. She was such a dignified creature that she was the only one after God that ascended to heaven, although hidden, and her mission is to pray for us (to God, her Son). Pray the rosary every day and the devotion of the first 5 Saturdays for her to free you from purgatory. (Mary points to Jesus, who is the Way) Mariana devotion and Purgatory are dogmas of Christianity, well established since the first century. Do not believe me, search for yourself in the Christian tombs the iconographies of Purgatory and the devotion of Saint Mary. It is also a well-documented fact that the popes of early Christianity had direct contact with the holy apostles of the Bible. That is why I say that only Catholics are Christians, and anyone who deviates from this is said to be a heretic, despite the evidence, facts and even of God's action in the world and in the lives of the Saints, in the Eucharist, apparitions, etc. She even appears in Africa to announce the kingdom of God (https://www.amazon.com.br/Boy-Who-Met-Jesus-Segatashya/dp/1401935818). In the Muslim religion, Muhammad fled the cave at first, thinking that he saw demons. Protestantism was founded on October 31. God gives these clues about what each thing is about, just so we don't deviate from Him... Jesus, even Luther was devoted to Our Lady and do you want to be more Protestant than he? I know that you are an intelligent lady that understand what I am saying. Protestants are the same as Latins. Both groups have a deviation. Some exaggerate something( Catholics) others minimize Christianity (Protestants). The roots of Western heresy began in the era of Charlemagne. Regarding Charlamagne; in the course of the fall of the Roman Empire, the aristocracy and nobility fled the city and moved to rural areas and set up their own army of mercenaries. In the meantime, the Catholic Church was responsible for assuming the role of state that previously belonged to the Emperor/Republic, and later the Church heads a plan for the Global Christian Empire, and thus idealized Pepin the Short and after him Charlemagne. If I'm not mistaken, after that there is a decentralized period of innumerable feuds, and the dream of the Christian Empire ends more or less there, the Holy Roman Empire Germanic just became an ornament. When you look back on history, it is really tragic that spiritual power (the Church), unwilling to assume the role of bureaucratic temporal power (the Roman state that has fulfilled this until then), tried to plan a new Christian state. Evidently this did not work, and it only got worse and worse as time passed, until we reach this point in history, where the state is a divinity, it is above all religions (in other words, the practice of religion becomes a caricature) and this aristocratic nobility assumes that everyone agrees with a fictitious "social contract" that nobody signed, and then they do what they want with you, your property, etc. The Jardim das Aflições from Olavo de Carvalho delves brilliantly into this history theme, unfortunately it only has it in Portuguese. There's the book Empire (Hardt and Negri book), which the authors released a few years later and with plagiarized ideas from his book, but it's an option if you want to learn more. |
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