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Post by Mortimer on Oct 11, 2020 2:44:43 GMT
Traditionally there are only 5 Races. Caucasian(Westeuroasian)/Europid, East Euroasian/Mongoloid, Black/SSA, Amerindian and Pacific Islander/Papaun/Australian Aboriginal/Australoid. I did GenePlaza K5, that means those traditionally 5 clusters. My results are mainly from deep westeuroasian origins. Also notice this is deep origins, not recent ancestry, so even full europeans dont score more then 90-93% you can run it yourself if you want. I think it is 9€. I think objectively I qualify as caucasian. Btw When I was in rehab, to lose weight, there was a high tech weight scale with measures body composition and uses "ethnicity" for calculations, my ethnicity was registered as "kaukasich" that means caucasoid or caucasian. I might not be socially white though as this is a colour description and also refers to someone who looks european, middle easterners and others are usually excluded especially for white nationalists. Any opinions? You might say I look so non-white, but genetics is like mathematics this is objective, and what you perceive me to look like is subjective, because sometimes i perceive one to look one way and someone else perceives him in another way.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 11, 2020 3:46:31 GMT
Well, you have Gypsy/Roma in you and it only takes a little bit of nonwhite ancestry to make you not look white. For example, the largest part of the average Mexican Mestizo is white Spanish but they have enough Native blood in them that they look like Aztec Natives. In racial classification in the United States coming from my region, the Deep South, there was the one-drop rule where one drop of non white blood was enough to make you not white and made you subject to racial apartheid. Honestly, I think this is horse crap and don't like using racial terms based on appearance. If you are part European you have that as your heritage and have as much right to claim that as a fully Northwestern European descended blonde like me does. I think that Mexicans for instance are a European people being of mostly Spanish blood, speaking Spanish, being Catholic, having European architecture, and the like. So if you have European heritage and want to say that you're "white" have at it. You won't be thought of as such by many people but it's true nonetheless. Also, don't listen to white nationalists. Most of them are closet homosexuals anyways.
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Post by Mortimer on Oct 11, 2020 4:10:25 GMT
But Roma are also mostly westeuroasian, caucasian people just darker, but white is misleading because it is a color descriptor you could say a swarthy european is not white but a pale siberian is, if we go by colours only there are also eurasian people with red hair and light eyes. thats why white means white and if you are dark you do not look white. but technically it is westeuroasian or caucasian. I do have non-caucasian in me, but all do. I think some european ethnic groups have even alot of siberian and some southern europeans have SSA, and I do not have SSA. And this is deep origins, not modern or recent. I saw results of full europeans no one was more then 93% some were 90% does the one drop rule apply to them? Also roma is a ethnicity not a race, even hitler knew that roma belong to the caucasian sub-species.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 11, 2020 4:31:50 GMT
When people use the term "white" they mean being of Native European descent and looking like it. Indians, Arabs, Berbers, Persians, and any other Caucasian group not originating Europe are usually not considered white where I'm from. Roma originated in India so they aren't white by most Americans' standards at least.
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Post by Mortimer on Oct 11, 2020 4:37:21 GMT
When people use the term "white" they mean European. Indians, Arabs, Berbers, Persians, and any other Caucasian group not originating Europe are usually not considered white where I'm from. Roma originated in India so they aren't white by most Americans' standards at least. Roma originated in India. But a person like me is for example 14% indian only. I think it is insane to say Im "indian" when Im 80% european, notice this is modern populations and indians are half indo-european thats why im only 7% southeuroasian but 14% "northindian" on ancestrydna or 23andme. Well Im 40% extra european and 60% gypsy but anywas that Im not white, is insane, that im indian because I originated there. Hungarians and Bulgarians originated in asia, all humans originated in africa, I dont even have a indian y or mtdna though but strictly european. Some roma might resemble rather indians, I know in my family too but I dont think I resemble indians either. The indians would consider me a european or american tourist. My results and my mums cousin results. She is 7/8 roma 1/8 russian thats why she is more northernindian then me and cyprus, central asian, etc. Im more serb then her, but she is closer to my distant russian ancestor thats why she is 9% balto-germanic and Im only 2% Im one generation further removed. I think it is illogical to consider by those results either me or her as indian, only as european who is mixed, but european. European with indian admixture. Not indian. If that makes sense. And in UK roma are designated as a white ethnic group on the census.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 11, 2020 4:43:47 GMT
When people use the term "white" they mean European. Indians, Arabs, Berbers, Persians, and any other Caucasian group not originating Europe are usually not considered white where I'm from. Roma originated in India so they aren't white by most Americans' standards at least. Roma originated in India. But a person like me is for example 14% indian only. I think it is insane to say Im "indian" when Im 80% european, notice this is modern populations and indians are half indo-european thats why im only 7% southeuroasian but 14% "northindian" on ancestrydna or 23andme. Well Im 40% extra european and 60% gypsy but anywas that Im not white, is insane, that im indian because I originated there. Hungarians and Bulgarians originated in asia, all humans originated in africa, I dont even have a indian y or mtdna though but strictly european. Some roma might resemble rather indians, I know in my family too but I dont think I resemble indians either. The indians would consider me a european or american tourist. My results and my mums cousin results. She is 7/8 roma 1/8 russian thats why she is more northernindian then me and cyprus, central asian, etc. Im more serb then her, but she is closer to my distant russian ancestor thats why she is 9% balto-germanic and Im only 2% Im one generation further removed. I think it is illogical to consider by those results either me or her as indian, only as european who is mixed, but european. European with indian admixture. Not indian. If that makes sense. And in UK roma are designated as a white ethnic group on the census. Like I said you are white European but you have a little bit of nonwhite European and so you don't look like it. It only takes a little bit of non European blood to make you look non European. These classifications originated in the Americas to differentiate between Europeans, their African slaves and the conquered Native Americans. These classifications are mostly based on appearance but I don't really heed appearances, I heed ancestry so by my thinking you are white. Others might not think so but to an extent these things are subjective not objective. Racial identity works different in the English speaking United States than it does in Brazil or even New Orleans in Louisiana for example. Ancestry though is not subjective, your ancestors are your ancestors.
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Post by Mortimer on Oct 11, 2020 4:45:30 GMT
Ok, I cannot argue whether I look or dont look white, because I see that I look whiter then many greeks and southitalians, even then some finns who might be very light but dont look classic caucasian. I know people who agree with me even americans. You say I dont look white and that is subjective and cannot be argued, because it looks like that to you. To me it doesnt look like that.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 11, 2020 5:37:41 GMT
You look white to me and you are European so that makes you white. But sometimes you do appear less white but that's usually due to the lighting in your pictures. But lighting in pictures affects everyone. I sometimes look paler in some pics than in others. But genetically you are white cuz that's a freaken high white percentage.
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Post by Mortimer on Oct 11, 2020 6:24:26 GMT
You look white to me and you are European so that makes you white. But sometimes you do appear less white but that's usually due to the lighting in your pictures. But lighting in pictures affects everyone. I sometimes look paler in some pics than in others. But genetically you are white cuz that's a freaken high white percentage. Thats true. But I never look "brown" I think under some lightnings I have a yellow or golden tone, that is still germanic, because even the old texts praise the "golden fair skin or golden fair cheeks" like of the indo-european gods. And I appear as gold and ruddy. Sometimes I appear as lighter or pale and pink, but sometimes as gold but Im ruddy as well. I dont think I look ever brown. In this pictures for example I appear as "darker" but not "brown" but yellow/gold. What do you think am I right or wrong? Or is that brown? I think I look gold and ruddy In this lightning I appear as "lighter" and "pink" I think it is not really a difference in skin tone, but a difference in skin undertone, that in some lightnings i appear as yellow.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 11, 2020 14:45:17 GMT
Yes, Mortimer, I also consider you as white.
I think I know why people like you and me look less "whitey", it's because of the eye-cut. Many girls told me I had a Eastern type eye-cut and that was a reason to consider me as East-type man. I don't think skin colour has anything with this, this must be nonsense since genetically proved that even African may have white-albino skin. Also, the form of ears and lips – their look may seem less European for some people.
So, I guarantee put you to Middle Europeans.
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Post by jonbain on Oct 20, 2020 20:17:49 GMT
this entire field of study is just institutionalized racism it has no basis in anything resembling authentic science
it is fast becoming true that to identify with 'white' is just an admission of racism
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Post by sexytime on Nov 23, 2020 22:08:42 GMT
Well, you have Gypsy/Roma in you and it only takes a little bit of nonwhite ancestry to make you not look white. For example, the largest part of the average Mexican Mestizo is white Spanish but they have enough Native blood in them that they look like Aztec Natives. In racial classification in the United States coming from my region, the Deep South, there was the one-drop rule where one drop of non white blood was enough to make you not white and made you subject to racial apartheid. Honestly, I think this is horse crap and don't like using racial terms based on appearance. If you are part European you have that as your heritage and have as much right to claim that as a fully Northwestern European descended blonde like me does. I think that Mexicans for instance are a European people being of mostly Spanish blood, speaking Spanish, being Catholic, having European architecture, and the like. So if you have European heritage and want to say that you're "white" have at it. You won't be thought of as such by many people but it's true nonetheless. Also, don't listen to white nationalists. Most of them are closet homosexuals anyways. indians are not caucasian but mixed race . they have a lot of AASI which is very dark and also not west eurasian . so people have to stop mentioning indians when they talk about "caucasoids"
arabs are not a uniform thing . there are north african "arabs" , levantine arabs , gulf arabs . north africans and some gulf lf arabs have a decent chunk of ssa genes so they are also often not caucasian
persians are caucasian people but some of them have elevated south asian admix and sometimes even some ssa . thats why some of them look so exotic
I dont care if I will get hate for this or will be called a "wannabe" or whatever but to me there is no such thing as "caucasoid but not white" . to me all caucasoids are white just like how all negroids are black . it is just like how I explained above that many of these supposedly "caucasoids" that people list to prove their "caucasoid but not white" thesis are not (fully) caucasoid to begin with . some people even list east africans in this matter even though east africans are around 50% ssa !
and I dont see why europeans should have the monopole on the term white . especially since there is a good chunk of europeans (especially southern europe and balkans ) who overlap with west asians in looks and even genetically some europeans are closer to west asians than to most other europeans
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Post by Sonny on Nov 26, 2020 4:41:22 GMT
Depends on what you mean by white. "White" is a social construct but then so is everything else including the language we speak. If by white you mean European then, I don't know your exact genetics, but obviously you would be mixed race.
Indians, Middle Eastners, West Asians may be Caucasoid but other than some fringe outliers they are not the same race as Europeans.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Nov 26, 2020 6:03:59 GMT
I had no idea that everyone and their mother wants to be white. What's the big deal? You don't get anything for it.
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Post by Sonny on Nov 26, 2020 6:32:41 GMT
I had no idea that everyone and their mother wants to be white. What's the big deal? You don't get anything for it. Its weird and that one guys rant reminded me of a certain meme from 4chan.
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