Clovis Merovingian
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
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Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 7, 2020 4:13:15 GMT
I have a book or rather a series of books called the Encyclopedia of Stateless Nations, which as the title says is an encyclopedia cataloging distinct self identifying peoples that do not have a country of their own. The diversity of peoples in this book that do not have a country of their own (and having nationalist groups that want one) is dizzying. I happen to a part of one of the stateless nations mentioned in the book, American Southerners (Confederates, Dixielanders, Southrons, and Rebels were alternate names given to us by the book.)
Anyways it got me thinking about a world where every one of these nationalist separatist movements succeeded. Such a world would be a world of smaller more homogeneous states where each self identified group would be able to pursue their own destiny according to their own cultural norms. Big empires of today like Russia, the United States, and China wouldn't exist, at least not at the level of power they are today. I see this as a much better world than the world we have today with Communist China on the rise to being the world hegemon. Smaller states, less diversity within states, and each people being allowed their right to run their affairs as they wish leads to less devastating wars between states, less cultural clashes within states leading to less of the the sectarian clashes and ethnic and religious tensions we have seen throughout history, and more people living in the type of society that they want to live in rather than having the norms and laws of their society dictated by others.
I think that it would be a better world than what we have now and more importantly would lead to a better future than the China dominated one we are going to have. Anyways the question here is do you agree with the statement that every nation should have a state of its own? Do you agree with the core tenet of separatist nationalism? I certainly agree with it and would love to live in an independent South.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 7, 2020 19:13:17 GMT
I do agree with your idea.
I haven't read the series, but about Poland there must be something. However, Polish tried to get back their country - their lands. It was important for them. The same is fair about those who got used to circle around a certain area: like the ancient Egyptians whose lands near Nile are their motherland, their stories and myths are tied up with those territories. It's like the memory places or kinda.
Nations and cultures are different. Some of those are less got stick to their lands, i.e. nomads, or much more closer stick - farmers (tillers). I guess the importance of which type they have comes from the type of work the nation has, or their beliefs; or often it is mixed.
Anyway, today is more buying-selling relationships are at the top of the views of the most people. I can't even say certainly who's the real patriot of his nation, and who's not. In what I do believe is that "nations", "cultures' are scientific and worm-booking legacy; all the heroes of nations and cultures - are the real heroes; they were rather "write books" by/with their deeds, than with their pencils. They used spikes and rifles, than capslocks and memes.
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Post by fschmidt on Oct 8, 2020 3:18:14 GMT
What is the point of opinions about ideals that can't be implemented? I visited South Carolina and these people don't have the spirit to fight for separation. North Idaho is a better bet. And interestingly, the people of North Idaho are united around shared values rather than shared ancestry. But if Biden wins, it would be best to flee the country. My ancestors didn't flee from Europe when the Nazis came to power, and I won't make the same mistake.
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Post by nobeernolife on Oct 8, 2020 10:21:04 GMT
Nation states are the foundation for democracy and peace. Multinational empires, dominated by rulers or ideologies inevitable create war and conflict.
Todays globalism is again the attempt to create an empire, and the politically correct slogan of "multiculturalism" is hogwash. A multicultural democracy is a contradiction in terms.
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Clovis Merovingian
Prestige/VIP
Elder
Posts: 2,693
Likes: 1,757
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 30
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 9, 2020 4:14:01 GMT
I do agree with your idea. I haven't read the series, but about Poland there must be something. However, Polish tried to get back their country - their lands. It was important for them. The same is fair about those who got used to circle around a certain area: like the ancient Egyptians whose lands near Nile are their motherland, their stories and myths are tied up with those territories. It's like the memory places or kinda. Nations and cultures are different. Some of those are less got stick to their lands, i.e. nomads, or much more closer stick - farmers (tillers). I guess the importance of which type they have comes from the type of work the nation has, or their beliefs; or often it is mixed. Anyway, today is more buying-selling relationships are at the top of the views of the most people. I can't even say certainly who's the real patriot of his nation, and who's not. In what I do believe is that "nations", "cultures' are scientific and worm-booking legacy; all the heroes of nations and cultures - are the real heroes; they were rather "write books" by/with their deeds, than with their pencils. They used spikes and rifles, than capslocks and memes. Well there are two different iterations of the Encyclopedia of Stateless Nations, one written in 2002 and one written in 2016. At both of those times going into today Poland is a sovereign independent nation state so it obviously isn't listed. The ancient Egyptians on the other hand are mentioned. The Copts are the descendants of ancient Egyptians who use the Coptic language, a descendant of the ancient Egyptian language, in their holy rites in the Coptic church. The Copts are Christians who's church descends from the church in Alexandria founded by St. Mark. They pride themselves on resisting the Arab Muslims cultural and religious domination for fourteen centuries and are often persecuted violently by the Muslims in modern day Egypt. They have a Coptic nationalist movement for an independent state of their own. I hope it succeeds because the persecution of the Copts could lead to the death of a very ancient culture. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 9, 2020 4:45:33 GMT
I do agree with your idea. I haven't read the series, but about Poland there must be something. However, Polish tried to get back their country - their lands. It was important for them. The same is fair about those who got used to circle around a certain area: like the ancient Egyptians whose lands near Nile are their motherland, their stories and myths are tied up with those territories. It's like the memory places or kinda. Nations and cultures are different. Some of those are less got stick to their lands, i.e. nomads, or much more closer stick - farmers (tillers). I guess the importance of which type they have comes from the type of work the nation has, or their beliefs; or often it is mixed. Anyway, today is more buying-selling relationships are at the top of the views of the most people. I can't even say certainly who's the real patriot of his nation, and who's not. In what I do believe is that "nations", "cultures' are scientific and worm-booking legacy; all the heroes of nations and cultures - are the real heroes; they were rather "write books" by/with their deeds, than with their pencils. They used spikes and rifles, than capslocks and memes. Well there are two different iterations of the Encyclopedia of Stateless Nations, one written in 2002 and one written in 2016. At both of those times going into today Poland is a sovereign independent nation state so it obviously isn't listed. The ancient Egyptians on the other hand are mentioned. The Copts are the descendants of ancient Egyptians who use the Coptic language, a descendant of the ancient Egyptian language, in their holy rites in the Coptic church. The Copts are Christians who's church descends from the church in Alexandria founded by St. Mark. They pride themselves on resisting the Arab Muslims cultural and religious domination for fourteen centuries and are often persecuted violently by the Muslims in modern day Egypt. They have a Coptic nationalist movement for an independent state of their own. I hope it succeeds because the persecution of the Copts could lead to the death of a very ancient culture. No doubt, your addition is true toward nowadays. (I don't have a current information that's why I have taken more older data.) Probably, I agree on the problem of Copts – I just not much into it, because of my unawareness of it. About Poland: it was true about their struggle and resistance of destroying their country a hundred and a half to a hundred years ago. That's why nowadays we observe something different – the independency if Poland. (Actually about 30 years ago the situation about independency of Poland was discussed because of Soviet Union. Interesting to note how that "commies' machine" swallowed up nationality of countries.) Also in my opinion the importance of as resources so the territories must be not wasted even today. I can't really say all the nation or a culture will survive whenever they are. Let's say the diasporas are not always live respecting its legacy and traditions in all the contents; often either they mix, or change their lifestyle to the dominant's (the owner of territories) side. No, it doesn't seem that it must happen each try, but looking at the cultures and nations we'd rather see them being changed, than not changed. This thought of mine about dependence nations and cultures from the location (plus who surrounds them aka their neighbors) bases partially on the fact of a major role of the lands in the life of a group of people. Surely such an influence can't be overall, but I guess it takes place in our lives. It's able to impact on our daily style thus our habits and the habits of the group of people, and taking into account that the sum of habits is behaviour, then cultures depend on habits. The same for the relationships with neighbors, etc. We also can say it about genes that their influence is not less, and that's also true. Post-Darwing explorations, as Tomas Gregor Mendel's and the modern ones, about how interesting they are: so there's no "the survive of the best only", but rather genes also give each time almost the same results, so to the base "charisma" or "the soul" (or the gestaldt) saves from one specie to the next. In these respects any outer influence is just phenotipicical influence, not genotypical one. |
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