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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2020 9:05:00 GMT
What are the foundations of Christianity and the base doctrines for salvation? Are those who have different beliefs, such as belief in aliens, evolution, or flat earth theory or other certain doctrines, saved?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 5, 2020 10:13:26 GMT
Just a question. If aliens, evolution, or a flat earth was to be proven indisputably true would that cause you to deny your faith in Jesus Christ or send you into an existential religious crisis? In answering your question the basis for someone's' salvation is trusting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. I think doctrinally, you have to believe that you are a sinner and that Jesus who is God made flesh died for your sins and you have to trust that for your salvation.
I think that the Holy Spirit will bring someone in line in whatever else they need (and I couldn't pinpoint with specificity all of those things) to believe once they are saved. Our God is a personal God and will correct heresy (of the serious soul damning kind) eventually. I don't think that believing in aliens (which the Bible doesn't mention at all one way or the other), evolution (nonfundamentalism goes back to the early church with people like Irenaeus and Augustine among many many others and is not at all a novel or even a modern concept), or a flat earth (I don't think that the Bible really cares what the shape of the earth is) in any way denies a person salvation.
To explain what i'm talking about, from about Constantine to Martin Luther Catholicism and Orthodoxy were the only forms of Christianity in Europe. We would both agree that these Churches had and have huge doctrinal errors but I don't think that everyone in Europe from the Roman empire to the Reformation went to hell. Many had a faith in Jesus that would save them.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 5, 2020 11:31:10 GMT
No, I guess there arw many temptations in the world, and there were many. Temptations help us to bear up and outstay, I guess.
Sincere heart and faith, and also deeds – to help your neighbors, to visit church – is more important.
If all the rest views wouldn't seem unimportant we couldn't have any temptations, but I'm sure that indeed they are to test or trial us.
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Post by The Cathar on Oct 28, 2020 16:03:13 GMT
What are the foundations of Christianity and the base doctrines for salvation? Are those who have different beliefs, such as belief in aliens, evolution, or flat earth theory or other certain doctrines, saved? I will leave your first question for more mainstream Christians- my answers tend to be a little off-putting or scary :D As for the second question, though, what do those really matter? I don't recall a Commandment saying 'Thou shalt not believe in aliens, evolution, or that the earth is flat'. No, these are just essentially Material things and, as such, are irrelevant to one's salvation. Even if we assume there are aliens buzzing around, or that we evolved from lower forms (I will add that in my world view, the ToE is very much in play, with a little 'help' from outside in order for Man to be created- but that's a different story :D), or that the earth is flat, what does ANY of that have to do with our relationship and/or commitment to God? In my view, none of it makes any difference. Pro Tip: Stay focused. In my opinion, the ONLY thing that matters is the condition of our soul and our commitment to getting it as clean and as pure as possible so we may escape this wretched rock and return to God's presence. Everything else, for purposes of salvation, is irrelevant.
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