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Post by iaminyou on Sept 26, 2020 8:21:35 GMT
Together, the words Jesus and Christ is Jesus Christ.
Why were these two words put together since they have totally different meanings. Christ is a name regarding the eternal MAN. Jesus is a name regarding a temporary human being of a created MAN.
If you want me to explain what Jesus Christ means, then you have to understand what the invisible image of our Creator is.
Genesis 1
26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Jesus Christ means the same as these phrases and names found in the Bible; Word of God, Word of the Lord, Son of God, Grace of God, Love of God, Wisdom of God, Voice of God, Voice of the Lord, Spirit of God, Spirit, Lord, God, Holy Spirit, Messiah, Mother, the Woman, Creation, Virgin, Son of God, Heaven, Heavenly Kingdom, Kingdom of God, Christ, Mind of Christ, Mind of God, Kingdom of Christ, Jesus Christ, Ancient of Days, Light of Men, Light of God, the Light, Kingdom of the Spirit, the Rock, the Breath, Breath of Life, Book of Life, and the Tree of Life. There are other's I haven't mentioned in this writing.
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Post by joustos on Sept 26, 2020 14:50:57 GMT
Together, the words Jesus and Christ is Jesus Christ. Why were these two words put together since they have totally different meanings. Christ is a name regarding the eternal MAN. Jesus is a name regarding a temporary human being of a created MAN. If you want me to explain what Jesus Christ means, then you have to understand what the invisible image of our Creator is. Genesis 1 26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Jesus Christ means the same as these phrases and names found in the Bible; Word of God, Word of the Lord, Son of God, Grace of God, Love of God, Wisdom of God, Voice of God, Voice of the Lord, Spirit of God, Spirit, Lord, God, Holy Spirit, Messiah, Mother, the Woman, Creation, Virgin, Son of God, Heaven, Heavenly Kingdom, Kingdom of God, Christ, Mind of Christ, Mind of God, Kingdom of Christ, Jesus Christ, Ancient of Days, Light of Men, Light of God, the Light, Kingdom of the Spirit, the Rock, the Breath, Breath of Life, Book of Life, and the Tree of Life. There are other's I haven't mentioned in this writing. No, "Christ" does not mean the eternal man. That word (the Greek "Khristos") means "anointed" and was used to translate the Hebrew word "Messiah", which actually means Deliverer, Leader, or Redeemer. As he preached and/or predicted "the kingdom of God", some listeners thought that he was going to forge a kingdom or empire on earth; some theologians thought that he will judge the living and the dead, and that he will preside over the society of the righteous. // The word "Jesus" or "Iesus" is a Latin rendition of a Greek word, which is a rendition of a Hebrew/Judean word which is equivalent to the Aramaic/Canaanite/Galilean word "Emmanuel" (emmanu-El =God is salvation). [The announcing angel told Miriam/Mary to call the baby Emmanuel, but she delivered the baby in Judeah and called him Joshua (Ya-shua = Yahweh/God is salvation/safety". [Ya, the god preached by Moses, was an Indo-European Mideastern god.]//So, "Jesus [the] Christ" is practically a redundant term but can be understood as "Jesus the Messiah" in contradistinction to "Jesus the King" (Christus Rex in Latin). Both persons or personalities are evident in the Gospels. Jesus was the son of Joseph in the bloodline of King David; the Magi came to pay homage to a new-born king; Jesus was crucified as "Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews" [Jesus Nazarenus Rex Judeorum], etc. etc.
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 26, 2020 19:49:49 GMT
Together, the words Jesus and Christ is Jesus Christ. Why were these two words put together since they have totally different meanings. Christ is a name regarding the eternal MAN. Jesus is a name regarding a temporary human being of a created MAN. If you want me to explain what Jesus Christ means, then you have to understand what the invisible image of our Creator is. Genesis 1 26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Jesus Christ means the same as these phrases and names found in the Bible; Word of God, Word of the Lord, Son of God, Grace of God, Love of God, Wisdom of God, Voice of God, Voice of the Lord, Spirit of God, Spirit, Lord, God, Holy Spirit, Messiah, Mother, the Woman, Creation, Virgin, Son of God, Heaven, Heavenly Kingdom, Kingdom of God, Christ, Mind of Christ, Mind of God, Kingdom of Christ, Jesus Christ, Ancient of Days, Light of Men, Light of God, the Light, Kingdom of the Spirit, the Rock, the Breath, Breath of Life, Book of Life, and the Tree of Life. There are other's I haven't mentioned in this writing. No, "Christ" does not mean the eternal man. That word (the Greek "Khristos") means "anointed" and was used to translate the Hebrew word "Messiah", which actually means Deliverer, Leader, or Redeemer. As he preached and/or predicted "the kingdom of God", some listeners thought that he was going to forge a kingdom or empire on earth; some theologians thought that he will judge the living and the dead, and that he will preside over the society of the righteous. // The word "Jesus" or "Iesus" is a Latin rendition of a Greek word, which is a rendition of a Hebrew/Judean word which is equivalent to the Aramaic/Canaanite/Galilean word "Emmanuel" (emmanu-El =God is salvation). [The announcing angel told Miriam/Mary to call the baby Emmanuel, but she delivered the baby in Judeah and called him Joshua (Ya-shua = Yahweh/God is salvation/safety". [Ya, the god preached by Moses, was an Indo-European Mideastern god.]//So, "Jesus [the] Christ" is practically a redundant term but can be understood as "Jesus the Messiah" in contradistinction to "Jesus the King" (Christus Rex in Latin). Both persons or personalities are evident in the Gospels. Jesus was the son of Joseph in the bloodline of King David; the Magi came to pay homage to a new-born king; Jesus was crucified as "Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews" [Jesus Nazarenus Rex Judeorum], etc. etc. The false gospel that you believe in is much different than ME, the true Gospel of God.
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Post by joustos on Sept 26, 2020 23:35:27 GMT
No, "Christ" does not mean the eternal man. That word (the Greek "Khristos") means "anointed" and was used to translate the Hebrew word "Messiah", which actually means Deliverer, Leader, or Redeemer. As he preached and/or predicted "the kingdom of God", some listeners thought that he was going to forge a kingdom or empire on earth; some theologians thought that he will judge the living and the dead, and that he will preside over the society of the righteous. // The word "Jesus" or "Iesus" is a Latin rendition of a Greek word, which is a rendition of a Hebrew/Judean word which is equivalent to the Aramaic/Canaanite/Galilean word "Emmanuel" (emmanu-El =God is salvation). [The announcing angel told Miriam/Mary to call the baby Emmanuel, but she delivered the baby in Judeah and called him Joshua (Ya-shua = Yahweh/God is salvation/safety". [Ya, the god preached by Moses, was an Indo-European Mideastern god.]//So, "Jesus [the] Christ" is practically a redundant term but can be understood as "Jesus the Messiah" in contradistinction to "Jesus the King" (Christus Rex in Latin). Both persons or personalities are evident in the Gospels. Jesus was the son of Joseph in the bloodline of King David; the Magi came to pay homage to a new-born king; Jesus was crucified as "Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews" [Jesus Nazarenus Rex Judeorum], etc. etc. The false gospel that you believe in is much different than ME, the true Gospel of God. Whether the gospels are truthful or false scriptures, they are biographies of a man or a character called Jesus. On the other hand, the Bible (the Old Testament) does not even name "Jesus Christ". You have no ground for supposing that the Biblical "Man" is the Evangelical "Jesus" or "Christ". Actually you should not make such a supposition because the Biblical "Man" or Human Nature consists of a male and a female -- like the Elohim themselves, or the Canaanite Deity, not like Yahweh (the Indo-European Deity), a single male. I understand the Biblical term "Yahweh Elohim" as "the divine Yaweh", not as "Dominus Deus" -- "the Lord God" in the King James (English-language) Bible.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 27, 2020 5:09:44 GMT
I wouldn't mind about such understanding. Yeah, why not? It doesn't seem to be impossible.
What I can't say I am in is that I consider words as an empty sounds. No special information are there, because words are maken occasionally. Trying to get any sense from the words is without a purpose deed.
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 27, 2020 12:04:28 GMT
The false gospel that you believe in is much different than ME, the true Gospel of God. Whether the gospels are truthful or false scriptures, they are biographies of a man or a character called Jesus. On the other hand, the Bible (the Old Testament) does not even name "Jesus Christ". You have no ground for supposing that the Biblical "Man" is the Evangelical "Jesus" or "Christ". Actually you should not make such a supposition because the Biblical "Man" or Human Nature consists of a male and a female -- like the Elohim themselves, or the Canaanite Deity, not like Yahweh (the Indo-European Deity), a single male. I understand the Biblical term "Yahweh Elohim" as "the divine Yaweh", not as "Dominus Deus" -- "the Lord God" in the King James (English-language) Bible. The prophecies were only meant for ME, the INVISIBLE IMAGE and VOICE of our CREATOR to understand. Now I know how all MEN ( male and female ) were created in ME a very long time ago.
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 27, 2020 12:07:21 GMT
I wouldn't mind about such understanding. Yeah, why not? It doesn't seem to be impossible. What I can't say I am in is that I consider words as an empty sounds. No special information are there, because words are maken occasionally. Trying to get any sense from the words is without a purpose deed. In the future, you will know yourself as the I AM and VOICE of our CREATOR. Right now, you don't have enough knowledge about yourself and how you're created to boldly say, ''I AM the VOICE of our CREATOR''
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 27, 2020 12:32:35 GMT
I wouldn't mind about such understanding. Yeah, why not? It doesn't seem to be impossible. What I can't say I am in is that I consider words as an empty sounds. No special information are there, because words are maken occasionally. Trying to get any sense from the words is without a purpose deed. In the future, you will know yourself as the I AM and VOICE of our CREATOR. Right now, you don't have enough knowledge about yourself and how you're created to boldly say, ''I AM the VOICE of our CREATOR'' I guess you're right. What do you think about the curved word CROATON? And when all the villagers had suddenly disappeared there?
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 27, 2020 20:33:53 GMT
In the future, you will know yourself as the I AM and VOICE of our CREATOR. Right now, you don't have enough knowledge about yourself and how you're created to boldly say, ''I AM the VOICE of our CREATOR'' I guess you're right. What do you think about the curved word CROATON? And when all the villagers had suddenly disappeared there? Our Creator has not had me spend much time with any history other than following the Beast and some prophetic stories from HIS prophets of old. The prophecies are the most important part of the Bible for me to learn some details about ME, the IMAGE and VOICE of our CREATOR and some future events like the 1000 year reign of Christ that is now coming to an end and how this temporary generation will end on the day of the Lord. Lately our Creator has had me focus on the NWO and how they are going to enslave all the people on Earth with their AI systems that will be warning them with the Voice heard through all computer device speakers. I have also learned how we're going to experience life in the next generation but only some general knowledge.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 27, 2020 20:43:06 GMT
Together, the words Jesus and Christ is Jesus Christ. Why were these two words put together since they have totally different meanings. Christ is a name regarding the eternal MAN. Jesus is a name regarding a temporary human being of a created MAN. If you want me to explain what Jesus Christ means, then you have to understand what the invisible image of our Creator is. Genesis 1 26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Jesus Christ means the same as these phrases and names found in the Bible; Word of God, Word of the Lord, Son of God, Grace of God, Love of God, Wisdom of God, Voice of God, Voice of the Lord, Spirit of God, Spirit, Lord, God, Holy Spirit, Messiah, Mother, the Woman, Creation, Virgin, Son of God, Heaaven, Heavenly Kingdom, Kingdom of God, Christ, Mind of Christ, Mind of God, Kingdom of Christ, Jesus Christ, Ancient of Days, Light of Men, Light of God, the Light, Kingdom of the Spirit, the Rock, the Breath, Breath of Life, Book of Life, and the Tree of Life. There are other's I haven't mentioned in this writing. No, "Christ" does not mean the eternal man. That word (the Greek "Khristos") means "anointed" and was used to translate the Hebrew word "Messiah", which actually means Deliverer, Leader, or Redeemer. As he preached and/or predicted "the kingdom of God", some listeners thought that he was going to forge a kingdom or empire on earth; some theologians thought that he will judge the living and the dead, and that he will preside over the society of the righteous. // The word "Jesus" or "Iesus" is a Latin rendition of a Greek word, which is a rendition of a Hebrew/Judean word which is equivalent to the Aramaic/Canaanite/Galilean word "Emmanuel" (emmanu-El =God is salvation). [The announcing angel told Miriam/Mary to call the baby Emmanuel, but she delivered the baby in Judeah and called him Joshua (Ya-shua = Yahweh/God is salvation/safety". [Ya, the god preached by Moses, was an Indo-European Mideastern god.]//So, "Jesus [the] Christ" is practically a redundant term but can be understood as "Jesus the Messiah" in contradistinction to "Jesus the King" (Christus Rex in Latin). Both persons or personalities are evident in the Gospels. Jesus was the son of Joseph in the bloodline of King David; the Magi came to pay homage to a new-born king; Jesus was crucified as "Jesus of Nazareth, the king of the Jews" [Jesus Nazarenus Rex Judeorum], etc. etc. You nailed it! I opened this thread as soon as he posted but figured he'd not like my answer so I left. But you even did a more thorough explanation than what I would have done. Just it's funny to me not all who call themselves Christian know about what you posted. :/
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Post by joustos on Sept 28, 2020 3:01:09 GMT
I guess you're right. What do you think about the curved word CROATON? And when all the villagers had suddenly disappeared there? Our Creator has not had me spend much time with any history other than following the Beast and some prophetic stories from HIS prophets of old. The prophecies are the most important part of the Bible for me to learn some details about ME, the IMAGE and VOICE of our CREATOR and some future events like the 1000 year reign of Christ that is now coming to an end and how this temporary generation will end on the day of the Lord. Lately our Creator has had me focus on the NWO and how they are going to enslave all the people on Earth with their AI systems that will be warning them with the Voice heard through all computer device speakers. I have also learned how we're going to experience life in the next generation but only some general knowledge. Iaminyou, sorry but you are not in me or in any one who reads your posts. I am surprised that you consider yourself to be the IMAGE and VOICE -- that you are the Logos -- of the creator ( through whom all things have been created). So, probably you think and you could say, "I-am-in-God [the divine Being]" -- en theou ousia eimi = I am enthusiast, which is another way of saying "I am a mystic", but remember that no historic mystic, either pagan or Christian, ever claimed to be the image and voice of God or the Creator.// You may believe that you know the future of us earthlings, but this knowledge may be due to an intelligent extrapolation of current events rather than your being the mouthpiece of a god.
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 28, 2020 16:42:01 GMT
Our Creator has not had me spend much time with any history other than following the Beast and some prophetic stories from HIS prophets of old. The prophecies are the most important part of the Bible for me to learn some details about ME, the IMAGE and VOICE of our CREATOR and some future events like the 1000 year reign of Christ that is now coming to an end and how this temporary generation will end on the day of the Lord. Lately our Creator has had me focus on the NWO and how they are going to enslave all the people on Earth with their AI systems that will be warning them with the Voice heard through all computer device speakers. I have also learned how we're going to experience life in the next generation but only some general knowledge. Iaminyou, sorry but you are not in me or in any one who reads your posts. I am surprised that you consider yourself to be the IMAGE and VOICE -- that you are the Logos -- of the creator ( through whom all things have been created). So, probably you think and you could say, "I-am-in-God [the divine Being]" -- en theou ousia eimi = I am enthusiast, which is another way of saying "I am a mystic", but remember that no historic mystic, either pagan or Christian, ever claimed to be the image and voice of God or the Creator.// You may believe that you know the future of us earthlings, but this knowledge may be due to an intelligent extrapolation of current events rather than your being the mouthpiece of a god. That is because none of them knew what I AM as the IMAGE and VOICE of our CREATOR. A good analogy to use to compare ME with his an AI system that speaks through computer speakers or the speaker from the mouth of a robot making it look like the robot is speaking.
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Post by The Cathar on Oct 27, 2020 22:30:30 GMT
Through my Gnostic-tinted glasses, Jesus was just a Man- a Man like any other. He was conceived and was born normally, with nothing out of the ordinary except that we don't know who his father was.
HOWEVER, what made Jesus extraordinary was that at birth he was inhabited by the already-existing spirit of Christ, whose mission it was to help Man figure out his place in the scheme of things and teach us how to cleanse our souls in preparation for returning to God in the Divine Realm. When Jesus reached a sufficient understanding, the spirit of Christ within him made itself known and his ministry began.
When Christ's mission was cut short (by way of Jesus being executed) his spirit exited Jesus' body and returned to the Divine Realm. Jesus' essence was taken up as well and he was made a spirit in his own right, as we all are when we put in the work to purify our own indwelling spirit of worldly attachments. God wants us to come home to him, but not with dirty faces and muddy shoes.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 27, 2020 22:43:26 GMT
Through my Gnostic-tinted glasses, Jesus was just a Man- a Man like any other. He was conceived and was born normally, with nothing out of the ordinary except that we don't know who his father was. HOWEVER, what made Jesus extraordinary was that at birth he was inhabited by the already-existing spirit of Christ, whose mission it was to help Man figure out his place in the scheme of things and teach us how to cleanse our souls in preparation for returning to God in the Divine Realm. When Jesus reached a sufficient understanding, the spirit of Christ within him made itself known and his ministry began. When Christ's mission was cut short (by way of Jesus being executed) his spirit exited Jesus' body and returned to the Divine Realm. Jesus' essence was taken up as well and he was made a spirit in his own right, as we all are when we put in the work to purify our own indwelling spirit of worldly attachments. God wants us to come home to him, but not with dirty faces and muddy shoes. I got to say that out of two Gnostics that I know of you're the best at explaining your belief and not being rude to others if their belief is different from yours. So thank you! And secondly, I feel like I can understand and learn something about your belief since you explain things well. So who or what is Christ in your belief? What connection does Christ have to God? Who are the important people in your belief?
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Post by The Cathar on Oct 27, 2020 23:45:47 GMT
Through my Gnostic-tinted glasses, Jesus was just a Man- a Man like any other. He was conceived and was born normally, with nothing out of the ordinary except that we don't know who his father was. HOWEVER, what made Jesus extraordinary was that at birth he was inhabited by the already-existing spirit of Christ, whose mission it was to help Man figure out his place in the scheme of things and teach us how to cleanse our souls in preparation for returning to God in the Divine Realm. When Jesus reached a sufficient understanding, the spirit of Christ within him made itself known and his ministry began. When Christ's mission was cut short (by way of Jesus being executed) his spirit exited Jesus' body and returned to the Divine Realm. Jesus' essence was taken up as well and he was made a spirit in his own right, as we all are when we put in the work to purify our own indwelling spirit of worldly attachments. God wants us to come home to him, but not with dirty faces and muddy shoes. I got to say that out of two Gnostics that I know of you're the best at explaining your belief and not being rude to others if their belief is different from yours. So thank you! And secondly, I feel like I can understand and learn something about your belief since you explain things well. So who or what is Christ in your belief? What connection does Christ have to God? Who are the important people in your belief? In my belief, Christ is the first and most powerful of God's Archangels, who were created for various purposes. Christ, being the first, gets the title 'Son of God', and while there are others- male and female (or the spiritual equivalent)- they do not get such an honorific. (In Gnostic terms, these spirits are called 'Aeons'; I am a bit biased toward Christian terminology and it's easier for others to get the concepts in Christian terms.) To bypass an awful lot of cosmology and theology, Christ made it his business to enter the Material World, our Universe (NOT created by God- but that's a different tale!) and help Man get himself sorted out so he could better reject the works of Satan- the enticements of this wretched world he created more or less by accident- and have a better chance of his indwelling spirit (we all have one) breaking free of this world and returning to God's presence in the Divine Realm. He did so by inhabiting the first infant that was born while he was in the Well of Souls (part of that 'different tale') who just happened to be Jesus- although he might as easily have appeared in the infant Pontius Pilate or baby Mussolini (just think if Christ had appeared closer to our time- or was among us now). When Jesus grew up and had more understanding of things, the spirit of Christ within him made itself known and thus began Jesus/Christ's ministry to Man. When Jesus was executed, Christ's spirit exited his body and returned to the Divine Realm, taking Jesus' essence with him to be made a spirit in its own right- an Angel. When our own spirit achieves this escape our essence is 'taken up' just the same and we are made Angels and dwell in God's Presence. If, on the other hand, we don't put in the work and our spirit is too weak to break free of Satan our essence is stripped from the spirit to wither away and the spirit is returned to the Well of Souls to be placed in another new life for another go at redemption later. As for the 'important persons' in my belief I place God first and foremost, of course, but as for more earthly persons it's Jesus/Christ all the way. As a modern-day Cathar I strive to follow the example set by Christ, primarily given in the Sermon on the Mount. Where I break from mainstream Christianity on this is that I'm not big on 'miracles' and neither am I thrilled with leafing through individual Gospels to find this or that and having to cross-check in the other Gospels to figure out what's what. I do believe that the Gospels are the 'heart and soul' of the New Testament with the rest being not much more than commentary and opinion. As such, I use 'The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth' by Thomas Jefferson (yes, THAT Thomas Jefferson), it being a coherent combination of the Gospels into one narrative minus the 'magic' elements. Combined with a dash of Gnostic cosmology, this provides the 'scriptural' basis for my modern interpretation of the old Cathar faith. While I place Jesus/Christ in the #2 spot, I also recognize that there have been others throughout Man's history who have tried to steer us in better directions and help us get sorted out. I would speculate that they, like Jesus, had a strong spirit inhabiting them and that spirit drove them to go to great lengths to teach us. Zoroaster, Amenhotep, Mani, Buddha, Muhammad, and others closer to our time- Gandhi, perhaps- are all possible candidates. They brought different messages and different methods, but it was all with the same goal: to be closer to God. As such, I do not fault anyone for their faith- I don't know what's in their heart and it's not my place to judge them. As long as they don't go around roughing up other for THEIR faith, I have a 'live and let live' attitude. (As a Cathar, I have a historic grudge against the Church, but that's to be expected. Rome has apologized for their past misdeeds, though, so it's all good.) **This is a VERY quick and dirty attempt to answer your questions, and I hope I haven't muddied the waters any more than necessary or, even worse, bored you with all of this. I am working on an 'Introduction to Catharism' document to present the faith as any other faith does, but it's slow going as there are an awful lot of gaps in the historical record and much of the information we DO have comes from the interrogation transcripts of the Inquisition; there are very few extant original Cathar documents. I'm afraid the result of my work will not be Catharism 'as it was' but rather Catharism 'as I think it should have been'.
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