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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 25, 2020 3:22:51 GMT
What exactly did God have in mind when creating a human? Who meet that design plan? I rather not list bible verses yet but just start the discussion first.
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Post by lorac on Sept 25, 2020 8:00:02 GMT
Well IMHO he did not have it in mind when designing us that we would kill each other and kill the planet, otherwise why would he have created us to begin with.
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 26, 2020 8:12:04 GMT
What exactly did God have in mind when creating a human? Who meet that design plan? I rather not list bible verses yet but just start the discussion first. Humans were not created. They were FORMED from created MAN ( male and female ). Here is how MAN was created; Genesis 1 26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Here is how human beings were FORMED; Genesis 2 7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 26, 2020 8:17:28 GMT
God created us to image him, to reflect his character on the earth. He gave humans dominion over the earth and all living creatures and wished us to exercise this dominion as he would. We failed and that's why the earth is the mess it is today.
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Post by karl on Sept 26, 2020 8:27:43 GMT
God created a world that allows short term gains from being evil. It's a test to see who chooses not be evil despite its seeming benefits.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 26, 2020 14:31:55 GMT
When He thought about beautiful people like Elizabeth, Lora, and many others inhabitants of this forum, He thought about the Beauty in itself, the pure Beauty. And He didn't think much about the other people.
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Post by joustos on Sept 26, 2020 17:19:50 GMT
When He thought about beautiful people like Elizabeth, Lora, and many others inhabitants of this forum, He thought about the Beauty in itself, the pure Beauty. And He didn't think much about the other people. Eugene, you certainly do not know what God thought. So, why did you say that God thought of Beauty? In saying what you just said, you necessarily thought of Beauty . Hence the question, What is Beauty ("to Kalon")? (If you want, you may give an exposition of Plato's answer in the "Symposium", or of Diotima's way/method in which we can get to know Beauty.)
Actually the Bible [Genesis-1] says what God [the Elohim, the Gods] thought in creating humanity (the human essence, "Man"): Let us create Man in our own image -- male and female. He [EL], the speaker, thought of genders -- of sexuality. Right? For you, are pure Beauty and Sexuality the same thing (reality)?? {Let me be pedantic about the underlined phrase I just used: "reality" = Latin *realitas < res+alis+tas, = realness, thingness.} Cheers.
I wish to correct: I should have stated: He [the Bible narrator or writer, who impersonated the god-character of his novel] was thinking of genders...
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2020 17:36:24 GMT
When He thought about beautiful people like Elizabeth, Lora, and many others inhabitants of this forum, He thought about the Beauty in itself, the pure Beauty. And He didn't think much about the other people. Why not? If He created all of us He had to think of all of us before creating each person so beautiful and unique.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2020 17:47:49 GMT
God created a world that allows short term gains from being evil. It's a test to see who chooses not be evil despite its seeming benefits. Why do you think God did that?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 26, 2020 19:10:53 GMT
When He thought about beautiful people like Elizabeth, Lora, and many others inhabitants of this forum, He thought about the Beauty in itself, the pure Beauty. And He didn't think much about the other people. Eugene, you certainly do not know what God thought. So, why did you say that God thought of Beauty? In saying what you just said, you necessarily thought of Beauty . Hence the question, What is Beauty ("to Kalon")? (If you want, you may give an exposition of Plato's answer in the "Symposium", or of Diotima's way/method in which we can get to know Beauty.)
Actually the Bible [Genesis-1] says what God [the Elohim, the Gods] thought in creating humanity (the human essence, "Man"): Let us create Man in our own image -- male and female. He [EL], the speaker, thought of genders -- of sexuality. Right? For you, are pure Beauty and Sexuality the same thing (reality)?? {Let me be pedantic about the underlined phrase I just used: "reality" = Latin *realitas < res+alis+tas, = realness, thingness.} Cheers.
I wish to correct: I should have stated: He [the Bible narrator or writer, who impersonated the god-character of his novel] was thinking of genders...
Huh? Yeah, I know that at the beginning of the scriptures there is Elohim so "we", instead of "I", or "self". Also, I don't get it why did you attribute me much more thoughts I had said? My argument was a little. Actually, I think it's a possible way to think like myself - about the Beauty. In Job 28:28: “The fear of the Lord—that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.” And the most notable in Proverbs 8:22-31: " The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; 23 I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. 24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water*; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 30 Then I was constantly[c] at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, 31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind".
What God had before everything else? * - compare it with Genesis 1:1.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 26, 2020 19:14:31 GMT
When He thought about beautiful people like Elizabeth, Lora, and many others inhabitants of this forum, He thought about the Beauty in itself, the pure Beauty. And He didn't think much about the other people. Why not? If He created all of us He had to think of all of us before creating each person so beautiful and unique. About you, Lorac, our forum residents and some other people. I think the images of the righteous persons were created at first. Surely, I could be wrong. But taking the quotes I presented for Joustos I think it's not a bad idea.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 26, 2020 19:40:39 GMT
Why not? If He created all of us He had to think of all of us before creating each person so beautiful and unique. About you, Lorac, our forum residents and some other people. I think the images of the righteous persons were created at first. Surely, I could be wrong. But taking the quotes I presented for Joustos I think it's not a bad idea. But if we go by the fact that the righteous were created first then they all had existed now and died. We are after them now. Right? But I don't think that's true. Think to the first people. We had brothers Cain and Abel and one killed the other. Surely, they were not more righteous than us since we didn't kill anyone. There has to be a mixture of righteous and unrighteous people. That way when the unrighteous do something bad, a righteous can step in and help. Like the good Samaritan story. Someone beat up a guy and left him to die but a good fella came by and wasn't going to let the bad guy succeed. The good is here to fight the bad always. So they exist together.
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Post by lorac on Sept 26, 2020 19:59:36 GMT
“Some people are truly beautiful. The light of beauty shines through their souls. And the world gets drenched in their inimitable light of love.” ― Avijeet Das Love this thought and I understand it's meaning. Sometimes we step in to help before people become lost/confused and suffer rebukes but nothing/no one will stop us for this is how we are.
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Post by joustos on Sept 26, 2020 22:08:51 GMT
Eugene, you certainly do not know what God thought. So, why did you say that God thought of Beauty? In saying what you just said, you necessarily thought of Beauty . Hence the question, What is Beauty ("to Kalon")? (If you want, you may give an exposition of Plato's answer in the "Symposium", or of Diotima's way/method in which we can get to know Beauty.)
Actually the Bible [Genesis-1] says what God [the Elohim, the Gods] thought in creating humanity (the human essence, "Man"): Let us create Man in our own image -- male and female. He [EL], the speaker, thought of genders -- of sexuality. Right? For you, are pure Beauty and Sexuality the same thing (reality)?? {Let me be pedantic about the underlined phrase I just used: "reality" = Latin *realitas < res+alis+tas, = realness, thingness.} Cheers.
I wish to correct: I should have stated: He [the Bible narrator or writer, who impersonated the god-character of his novel] was thinking of genders...
Huh? Yeah, I know that at the beginning of the scriptures there is Elohim so "we", instead of "I", or "self". Also, I don't get it why did you attribute me much more thoughts I had said? My argument was a little. Actually, I think it's a possible way to think like myself - about the Beauty. In Job 28:28: “The fear of the Lord—that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding.” And the most notable in Proverbs 8:22-31: " The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; 23 I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. 24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water*; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 30 Then I was constantly[c] at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, 31 rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind".
What God had before everything else? * - compare it with Genesis 1:1. Eugene, you are Eu-gen es (Well-born,or, a some people translate, Well-bred), but that does not mean Kalo`s or Tsukalos [Za-kalos], which is the family name of Giorgio, the man who writes about the ancient aliens... Well, the proverb writer you cite spoke of wisdom or understanding,not of Beauty, unless you equate wisdom and beauty. And how on earth could have been created before everything else?// Another correction I should have made: "realitas ... = *thingyness", for the adjective "thingy" can be coined in the manner of Watery, Stony, etc. ((Execuse my pedantry, which is not beautiful.))
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Post by fschmidt on Sept 26, 2020 23:44:46 GMT
What exactly did God have in mind when creating a human? Who meet that design plan? I rather not list bible verses yet but just start the discussion first. Isn't it presumptuous to ask about God's mind? I would say that this is a bad question.
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