|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 13, 2020 20:15:48 GMT
UTOPIAN POLITICAL SOCIETIES FOR COLONIZED MARS. Introduction
The planet Mars is being explored, especially by the American NASA, and expectations are being raised that when it will appear possible, that planet will be colonized by humans (undoubtedly U.S. Americans and others) but will exclude misfits, namely criminals, addicted people, infected people, and people of some religion. The issues of migration will have to be faced by the nation or nations that sponsor and finance the colonization. On the other hand, one task of the colonizers is that of establishing the kind of political society they wish to have for themselves. In his thread we imagine ourselves as migrants who start taking up this task. Some of our ideas may be useful for the real migrants of the future. Regulation for every writer in this thread: On each new page, write the name of your projected utopian political society and enumerate the pages, even if you treat only of one aspect or feature of your society, or if you want to write a rational criticism of some point or aspect of somebody else's society. (You don't have to quote full pages.) In a moment I will start by using this heading: Utopian Republic for Mars, page 1 Welcome and thank you. Think! Your thoughts may be applicable to the political society in which you are living. Please use English only.
|
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 13, 2020 21:46:29 GMT
UTOPIAN REPUBLIC FOR MARS. Page 1 Hello, fellow Martians-to-be. On Mars we shall be a society inhabiting a city [Polis], which I call a Republic, which I envision as utopian, that is, ideal for our moving (activities), living, and having our being. The ancient Stoics spoke thus of the Cosmos/Universe; St. Paul spoke thus of God. Well, a utopian republic is a microcosm, a small universe, which we ourselves must define and establish. It is not given or imposed by others. A republic is a society of free persons, who do not have and do not accept having a lord over them. Freedom from lords is of the essence of a republican. The society of republicans overtly or covertly takes the oath to defend or protect the collective and individual freedom of the citizens. For example, a citizen who vandalizes or burn the property of another, robs, kills, injures, rapes, or abducts another is lording over another, is not respecting the freedom of others, and is thereby forfeiting his freedoms, or his citizenship to the Republic. Hence, the office of criminology (treason included) is an integral part of the Republic.[To continue] |
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 13, 2020 22:54:26 GMT
UTOPIAN REPUBLIC FOR MARS. Page 2 Who is to run the proposed Office of Criminology? People who, on earth, have studied the history of criminology (and, e.g., "Of Crimes and Punishments")? No, since "crime" used to be understood as "violation of a law" -- which may be only a misdemeanor -- or as the disobedience of a governmental order, or of a religion-proclaimed morality. (Immorality and criminality are different things, as Fichte and I have reasons to say). Who then? The elected law makers of the Republic in question? No, for the same reason. By democrats, then? No, not on your life, for they evaluate human deeds pragmatically: what is beneficial or not beneficial to them. In a republic, like the ancient Roman republic, there is (or there is enacted)jurisprudence, which is defined in Justinian's Code of the Civil Law as the science (Scientia, true knowledge) of what is to be done or not to be done, namely right and wrong deeds[to others]. This knowledge is acquired by jurisprudents, namely people who evaluate the deeds of citizens by a calculation of Freedom (which the citizens swear to respect and protect), and the lordly impositions (crimes) which wayward citizens make. [To continue] |
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 16, 2020 15:29:32 GMT
UTOPIAN POLITICAL SOCIETIES FOR COLONIZED MARS. Introduction
The planet Mars is being explored, especially by the American NASA, and expectations are being raised that when it will appear possible, that planet will be colonized by humans (undoubtedly U.S. Americans and others) but will exclude misfits, namely criminals, addicted people, infected people, and people of some religion. The issues of migration will have to be faced by the nation or nations that sponsor and finance the colonization. On the other hand, one task of the colonizers is that of establishing the kind of political society they wish to have for themselves. In his thread we imagine ourselves as migrants who start taking up this task. Some of our ideas may be useful for the real migrants of the future. Regulation for every writer in this thread: On each new page, write the name of your projected utopian political society and enumerate the pages, even if you treat only of one aspect or feature of your society, or if you want to write a rational criticism of some point or aspect of somebody else's society. (You don't have to quote full pages.) In a moment I will start by using this heading: Utopian Republic for Mars, page 1 Welcome and thank you. Think! Your thoughts may be applicable to the political society in which you are living. Please use English only.
Before continuing to write down what I had in mind, I wish to dwell on some points that I expressed at the beginning (the above post). Probably the first colonization will be led by the United States but will be participated in by the nations (such as Japan) which participated in the production of the international spaceship following the successful first generator of current electricity by means of a "tethered satellite" in 1992 (invented by ASI, the Italian Space Agency). This kind of generator in an orbiting rocket which utilized the Earth's magnetic field may also serve as a model for the construction of generators on planets (the Earth itself included). The point is that the nations that sponsor colonization have to plan and construct colonies which can be inhabited. They necessarily export their skills, technologies, customs, and even their social institutions -- in a word, their culture. The colonists can be reformers of the inherited culture. Similarly, a present earthly people can reform its inherited political constitution. |
|
|
|
Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 19, 2020 14:30:37 GMT
Colonies... again colonies...
Probably for organizing new Republic (elsewhere) it is very important to not allow existence of colonial politics. The Western world had shown its claws and pawns in this activity.
|
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 20, 2020 14:19:56 GMT
Colonies... again colonies... Probably for organizing new Republic (elsewhere) it is very important to not allow existence of colonial politics. The Western world had shown its claws and pawns in this activity. You are right about not allowing "colonial politics". What I meant in my post is that when some earth country plans and builds a colony (on Mars), and when some people (thereafter called colonists or colonizers) settle in a colony (a built settlement-city), the builders and the colonists necessarily act/behave according to their native (hence inherited) culture, that is, according to their technologies, skills, language, customs, arts, political system and laws. However, the colonists may want to reform some of their inherited culture, as by actualizing an ideal republic for themselves, just as the English colonists did in America after 1776 (after gaining independence from a monarchy). Imagining to be one of the colonists on Mars, I started delineating an ideal republic, just as James Madison delineated a republic [in his "Constitution") for the free American colonists. So, now I will resume the task of describing the Utopian Republic I envision. Cheers. |
|
|
|
Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 20, 2020 14:41:40 GMT
Colonies... again colonies... Probably for organizing new Republic (elsewhere) it is very important to not allow existence of colonial politics. The Western world had shown its claws and pawns in this activity. You are right about not allowing "colonial politics". What I meant in my post is that when some earth country plans and builds a colony (on Mars), and when some people (thereafter called colonists or colonizers) settle in a colony (a built settlement-city), the builders and the colonists necessarily act/behave according to their native (hence inherited) culture, that is, according to their technologies, skills, language, customs, arts, political system and laws. However, the colonists may want to reform some of their inherited culture, as by actualizing an ideal republic for themselves, just as the English colonists did in America after 1776 (after gaining independence from a monarchy). Imagining to be one of the colonists on Mars, I started delineating an ideal republic, just as James Madison delineated a republic [in his "Constitution") for the free American colonists. So, now I will resume the task of describing the Utopian Republic I envision. Cheers. Surely, the colonial politics were rather strong then specifically truth words. Because "colonial" is just one of many factors. I mean that to do something really good all of us (including all the humanity, not only a part of it) must try to be more advanced in moral sense, and in intellectual sense too. Because the lack of such abilities multiply any progressive intentions by zero. |
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 20, 2020 15:56:00 GMT
UTOPIAN REPUBLIC FOR MARS, Page 3
A republic (a society of free people) is self-determining. A citizen of a republic overtly or covertly makes an oath to respect the freedom of the other citizens, and to defend the liberty (freedom) of the collectivity/society of the citizens. However, sometimes some (sworn) citizens lord over, impose upon, some other citizens; thus they commit crimes. In committing crimes, they annul their oath of respect for the freedom of others: they forfeit their citizenship, wherefore the others no longer have the duty to respect his freedom and should create rules of Retribution (counteraction to criminal action). Hence, a Republic has or should have an Office of Retribution or Office of Justice [of what is due to criminals]. By the way, those citizens who fail to participate in the defense of the Republic (as by refusing to respond to an official call to arms) commit a "crime of omission" (or negligence). As there are other ways of not performing citizen-duties and contractual duties[determined by jurisprudents], the Office of Retribution has an immense and stratified task. Should it prescribe Banishment/Exile (incarceration)? Hanging or other Capital Punishment? Expropriation? Monetary penalty? The aforementioned Offices of Jurisprudence, Criminology, and Retribution are parts or departments of the Republic's Axiological Organ, the organ for valuations and evaluations.
|
|
|
|
Post by jonbain on Sept 20, 2020 16:29:59 GMT
Mystical Dialectic of Mars, Page 1
A foundational philosophy should always be a dialog,
never a monologue. So free speech has to be the first
accepted premise. This is because our human minds are
limited and there are always details beyond our ken.
There will always be mysteries. Societies die when
they assume they know everything. No matter how bad
a statement may appear to be, because we cannot know
everything, that statement may in fact be true.
If you reckon some idea false, then banning it only
opens the possibility of error, because nobody arrives
with perfect understanding. The only way to improve
knowledge is to allow bad ideas to be disproved thru
the dialog/dialectic.
This is the dichotomy between dogma and mysticism.
Dogma inhibits psychological growth. It kills societies.
----------------------------------------------------
This is a nice exercise, but I do fear Mars is the wrong
target for expansion. Ceres has much more water, and
a lower gravity, albeit less sunshine.
|
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 20, 2020 19:39:58 GMT
UTOPIAN REPUBLIC FOR MARS, Page 4 (The story is becoming too complex. Therefore, for now, I shall limit myself to a few more remarks.) The republic is a social organism. Its organs are interrelated and often they either are presupposed by or "foresee" other organs (or new organ parts, Offices). For example, if a citizen is accused by another citizen or a state attorney of a crime, he is virtually summoned to court for a trial. As in the oldest Roman law posted in the Forum, "Si vocat, ito" [If one summons you, Go!], for a citizen has the right to a trial, where he can defend himself. Sometimes the trial is called "the due process of law". A law states that something must or must not be done and is enforceable. So, let say immediately that a republic has or must have an Office of Jurisprudence (which determines wrongful actions, rightful actions, and dutiful/obligatory actions); a Legislative Organ (which formulates and promulgates enforceable laws and tutelary regulations [duties], such as traffic and building regulations); a Detection Office, which investigates the situation and circumstances of an alleged criminal action or negligent action, in order to determine any culpability of the part of an accused citizen); a Police Department (of the Organ of Public Safety) whose officers have learned the promulgated laws and have the task of stopping the commission of crimes, and of arresting those who are suspected of having committed crimes; a Detection Office; an Office of Retribution; and, of course, a Judicial Court to conduct trials and to pass judgement on the accused person. |
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 20, 2020 20:26:12 GMT
UTOPIAN REPUBLIC FOR MARS, Page 5 (temporary conclusion)
In the Republic (the Roman, the American, or the Martian, Republic), a citizen has the right of self-defense, both physical and socio-linguistic [Court] self-defense, with or without the assistance of others. In Court, it is usually a hired attorney that makes a defense for the accused citizen. This is PROXY-Self-Defense, as the attorney takes the place of the Defendant. One's own physical self-defense may be instrumentalized (as by a gun), so that the attacked person may successfully stop the attack. The defense/protection of oneself, one's family, one's invaded home, or one's property, may be undertaken by an armed policeman (who recognizes and can stop a crime which is being committed). This is PROXY-Self-Defense, as the policeman takes the place of the victimized citizen. The Police Department has or should have a standing force of undercover policemen so that when there is a riot and all kinds of crimes are being committed (vandalism of private or public property, arson, murder, rape, looting, etc.,) trained proxy-self-defenders can be dispatched to the hot spot with the only task of stopping the criminals in the act or imminent act. No confrontation or duels, no arrests, and no mercy. By performing crimes, the criminals have forfeited their citizenship, their rights, including the right to a trial and their right to life. |
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 21, 2020 17:43:43 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 21, 2020 21:43:55 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Sept 24, 2020 15:54:11 GMT
These URLs don't work. This attachment (which has part of a message from an above cited site) may not open either. |
|
|
|
Post by joustos on Dec 8, 2020 17:47:46 GMT
UTOPIAN REPUBLIC FOR MARS, Page 6 I am coming back to this Thread for some reflections on the issue of retribution in the Republic or any earthly republic. The issue has come up for me in another Thread and is accentuated by the news of some horrendous crimes, such as burying a person alive. Neither I nor any god in his right mind may forgive such a crime, and, as far as I am concerned, there is no possible human retribution that can counteract such a crime. Well, then, why should there be any retribution for any crime? My own view/feeling: If a person (unprovokedly)causes immense pain and terminates another person's life, the victim should have a proxy self-defender, an avenger, who should so act as the criminal acted. (By institutionalizing revenge, every citizen has the satisfaction of knowing that, should he become the victim of an horrendous crime, the criminal will be pursued and deprived of his life, any property he may have, and of any honorable fame he may have. At the same time, the presence of a Revenge Force will be a deterrent for the commission of "capital" (death-producing) crimes. // Obviously a classification of crimes is due. "Felonies" include Murder, Rape, Horredous Crimes, such as the aforementioned one and the abduction and rape of a child, Arson of a building, Treason, Political Fraud, such as Communists/Globalists committed in the 2020 U.S. Elections. The least penalty for a felony is imprisonment and a death sentence, which is to be executed when the inmate is no longer fit to work in a jail shop. The inmates are fully under the jurisdiction of the Warden and are required to work so as to pay for all of the jail expenses and to make some monetary compensations to the dependents or relatives of the killed victims. (No jail freeloading. No visitors allowed.) |
|
