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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 19, 2020 0:31:52 GMT
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 19, 2020 7:35:43 GMT
I can't be sure since I don't have a child, but I would support. But a minimal support - to get rid of 99% knows bad diseases, illnesses and so on.
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Post by karl on Aug 19, 2020 7:59:45 GMT
Playing God is by itself a form of evil, irregardless of whatever other precious motives one might have. If humanity goes down this path, it will start with designing babies to prevent physical illnesses, then mental illnesses, then unwanted behaviour deemed as "disorders", until the stated goal is to create humans that are predispositioned to become "productive and well adapted citizens of society".
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Aug 23, 2020 6:43:10 GMT
I agree with Karl and Eugene both though they seem to have contradictory opinions. I think that gene editing could be a positive thing if we just use it to eliminate genetic diseases or predispositions to diseases but I fear that humanity will not stop there and it could lead to a nightmare. Honestly, genetic editing technology is the next big technological revolution and humanity is too stupid and too evil to use it responsibly. I saw this documentary on it called gene hackers or DNA hackers or something of that sort and it freaked me out. One dude was out in his run-down shack in rural Mississippi genetically experimenting on dogs in weird ways, he didn't have a degree or anything, he just took it up as a hobby. Another guy from California was pushing for complete deregulation of genetic technology going into the future and was experimenting on himself to make himself stronger. Anyways genetic editing technology could be needed in the future to stay in technological and military parity with American rivals like China.  Oh crap... China; God only knows what they will do with the technology. |
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Post by Sonny on Mar 17, 2021 20:39:03 GMT
Depends on the goal of genetically engineering babies. Are we talking pure aesthetics here? In many ways, women are already doing that. Arguably even in politics, the American (and European) political left wants the future generations to 'evolve' into some variation of a dark featured muslim race that resembles what has traditionally been perceived as belonging to the bottom of totem poll of attractiveness. Its an inversion (as Jonathan Pageau calls it), in any case it is basically their version of eugenics.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 19, 2021 22:23:45 GMT
Depends on the goal of genetically engineering babies. Are we talking pure aesthetics here? In many ways, women are already doing that. Arguably even in politics, the American (and European) political left wants the future generations to 'evolve' into some variation of a dark featured muslim race that resembles what has traditionally been perceived as belonging to the bottom of totem poll of attractiveness. Its an inversion (as Jonathan Pageau calls it), in any case it is basically their version of eugenics. How are women already doing that? I can only think of the bad mothers who do drugs while pregnant and cause their babies to have problems after birth. Such shoud never be parents. |
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Post by Sonny on Mar 20, 2021 0:35:33 GMT
Depends on the goal of genetically engineering babies. Are we talking pure aesthetics here? In many ways, women are already doing that. Arguably even in politics, the American (and European) political left wants the future generations to 'evolve' into some variation of a dark featured muslim race that resembles what has traditionally been perceived as belonging to the bottom of totem poll of attractiveness. Its an inversion (as Jonathan Pageau calls it), in any case it is basically their version of eugenics. How are women already doing that? I can only think of the bad mothers who do drugs while pregnant and cause their babies to have problems after birth. Such shoud never be parents. One example is women choosing to have mixed race babies or babies of race-x in the name of diversity or to fight 'white supremacy' or whatever ideology is popular discourse that she is for or against. That is eugenics. That is no different than what Hitler attempted to do for the biological betterment of the German people and nation. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 20, 2021 0:48:05 GMT
How are women already doing that? I can only think of the bad mothers who do drugs while pregnant and cause their babies to have problems after birth. Such shoud never be parents. One example is women choosing to have mixed race babies or babies of race-x in the name of diversity or to fight 'white supremacy' or whatever ideology is popular discourse that she is for or against. That is eugenics. That is no different than what Hitler attempted to do for the biological betterment of the German people and nation. That's just finding a mate though. Everyone still looks for a particular type of mate. It happens not just in humans but animals too. So it's not women actually editting anything since the way the article talks about it is the unnatural way. Women simply reproducing is totally natural with any genetic variation. Makes me think of a black couple that went on Maury because the guy's wife gave birth to a white baby so he wanted a DNA test  . It was his white baby and he was still hating it :( poor child. |
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Post by Sonny on Mar 20, 2021 1:26:45 GMT
That's just finding a mate though. Everyone still looks for a particular type of mate. It happens not just in humans but animals too. The preference for Nordic traits in Nazi Germany was also just 'finding a mate' then. It's no different to the ideological preference for diversity among progressives. So? Does technology bother you? The article side doesn't load for me. I can only respond to your post and thread title. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 20, 2021 5:26:52 GMT
That's just finding a mate though. Everyone still looks for a particular type of mate. It happens not just in humans but animals too. The preference for Nordic traits in Nazi Germany was also just 'finding a mate' then. It's no different to the ideological preference for diversity among progressives. So? Does technology bother you? The article side doesn't load for me. I can only respond to your post and thread title. Yes, that's one way to find a mate but certainly isn't the only one. And no technology doesn't bother me as long as it's not used against a person. Like building a robot is fine but building a robot to kill someone is not ok. |
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Post by Sonny on Mar 21, 2021 2:37:39 GMT
Yes, that's one way to find a mate but certainly isn't the only one. And no technology doesn't bother me as long as it's not used against a person. Like building a robot is fine but building a robot to kill someone is not ok. Well, this technology is not being used against anyone. If we're being consistent, we're not in a moral position to tell people they're in the wrong if they want to gene edit to give their babies purple eyes. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 22, 2021 6:35:12 GMT
Yes, that's one way to find a mate but certainly isn't the only one. And no technology doesn't bother me as long as it's not used against a person. Like building a robot is fine but building a robot to kill someone is not ok. Well, this technology is not being used against anyone. If we're being consistent, we're not in a moral position to tell people they're in the wrong if they want to gene edit to give their babies purple eyes. In terms of free will you're right. In terms of by God's standards it's a sin since God designs the child to His liking and people messing with God's work...well...personally I don't want to be in their shoes. :/ |
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Post by Sonny on Mar 23, 2021 23:38:37 GMT
In terms of free will you're right. In terms of by God's standards it's a sin since God designs the child to His liking and people messing with God's work...well...personally I don't want to be in their shoes. :/ Where in the Bible does it say it's a sin to alter genes? And what will you do if the same gene editing tools and techniques are used to treat disease and improve health and longevity? I wasn't talking about free will, I'm saying most people are inconsistent hypocrites and don't (or don't want to) realize it. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 24, 2021 1:07:41 GMT
In terms of free will you're right. In terms of by God's standards it's a sin since God designs the child to His liking and people messing with God's work...well...personally I don't want to be in their shoes. :/ Where in the Bible does it say it's a sin to alter genes? And what will you do if the same gene editing tools and techniques are used to treat disease and improve health and longevity? I wasn't talking about free will, I'm saying most people are inconsistent hypocrites and don't (or don't want to) realize it. The passage where God forms you in the womb. If you interrupt that obviously you're messing with God's work in there. He does make some people born with certain defects and stuff but He also says that they're still beautifully made. So anyone wanting to fight God on that totally can...but as I said I wouldnt want to be in their shoes. God will do His job in my womb 100% of the time that's for sure. |
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Post by Sonny on Mar 29, 2021 17:37:20 GMT
Where in the Bible does it say it's a sin to alter genes? And what will you do if the same gene editing tools and techniques are used to treat disease and improve health and longevity? I wasn't talking about free will, I'm saying most people are inconsistent hypocrites and don't (or don't want to) realize it. The passage where God forms you in the womb. If you interrupt that obviously you're messing with God's work in there. He does make some people born with certain defects and stuff but He also says that they're still beautifully made. So anyone wanting to fight God on that totally can...but as I said I wouldnt want to be in their shoes. God will do His job in my womb 100% of the time that's for sure. Which passage is that? It seems interpretive. |
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Oh crap... China; God only knows what they will do with the technology.
. It was his white baby and he was still hating it :( poor child.