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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jun 28, 2020 16:26:57 GMT
If the results of the scientific method are factual, it must be factual that it results in fact. This necessitates the scientific method as existing outside of factuality where what is and is not a fact is determined by something beyond the method.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 1, 2020 3:37:06 GMT
I view it a bit differently. I view facts as facts and the scientific method as facts until proven otherwise. Meaning, they may or may not be facts always. The reason I say that is science sometimes changes the things it believes so it has removed things from being facts that they once established to be facts.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 1, 2020 16:25:19 GMT
I view it a bit differently. I view facts as facts and the scientific method as facts until proven otherwise. Meaning, they may or may not be facts always. The reason I say that is science sometimes changes the things it believes so it has removed things from being facts that they once established to be facts. Science is a process of categorization where one category exists until it is replaced by another. Take for example Pluto, before it was categorized as a planet then it changed to a non planet (moon or something similar if memory recalls.) The speed of light was also argued as a constant as well until it was founded as changing, in which case it was redefined. Science is continually changing propositions. Dually what it considered as a fact exists as outside the scientific method. All science results in facts. This is a fact. But the scientific method's inability to test factuality as an abstraction necessitates what we consider a fact as something beyond the method itself. "Fact" exists beyond the method as an entity in itself which is purely assumed.
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Post by archlogician on Jul 1, 2020 18:01:18 GMT
Scientific methodology produces arguments in support of propositions, but the facts themselves are always elusive, existing only as an idealisation by which we assess the theoretical merits and demerits of particular scientific methodologies. That is, scientific methodologies are justified by appeal to their likelihood to uncover the facts as time progresses. Unfortunately, whether a scientific methodology is successful is rather difficult to prove. We can take some empirical evidence from its ability to uncover supposed truths which empower us technologically, and we can take some evidence from the coherence of its findings with other rational investigations. However, whether it works, or we have just been lucky time and time again in using it, is never something which we can establish to the level of fact.
This being said, I would say it is perfectly coherent to consider whether a scientific methodology works to be a question of fact, merely one which we, due to our finite nature, can never answer. Or, rather, to attack the coherence of this question necessitates an attack on the coherence of the concept of a fact itself.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 1, 2020 18:20:18 GMT
I view it a bit differently. I view facts as facts and the scientific method as facts until proven otherwise. Meaning, they may or may not be facts always. The reason I say that is science sometimes changes the things it believes so it has removed things from being facts that they once established to be facts. Science is a process of categorization where one category exists until it is replaced by another. Take for example Pluto, before it was categorized as a planet then it changed to a non planet (moon or something similar if memory recalls.) The speed of light was also argued as a constant as well until it was founded as changing, in which case it was redefined. Science is continually changing propositions. Dually what it considered as a fact exists as outside the scientific method. All science results in facts. This is a fact. But the scientific method's inability to test factuality as an abstraction necessitates what we consider a fact as something beyond the method itself. "Fact" exists beyond the method as an entity in itself which is purely assumed. No, they just removed it from being a full sized planet and called it a dwarf planet. Which makes no sense. A lot of other planets are basically dwarfs compared to Jupiter for example. So seems science likes to discriminate against the most smallest ones. So I think it would not like calling the midget humans as just humans even though it fact it's still a human whether a dwarf or not. Same as Pluto is still a planet whether dwarf or not. So yeah Pluto is the cutest planet there is and no way can I discriminate against the little planet. But yeah science needs to realize that when they're calling something a dwarf planet they're still calling it a planet...
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 2, 2020 0:09:17 GMT
Science is a process of categorization where one category exists until it is replaced by another. Take for example Pluto, before it was categorized as a planet then it changed to a non planet (moon or something similar if memory recalls.) The speed of light was also argued as a constant as well until it was founded as changing, in which case it was redefined. Science is continually changing propositions. Dually what it considered as a fact exists as outside the scientific method. All science results in facts. This is a fact. But the scientific method's inability to test factuality as an abstraction necessitates what we consider a fact as something beyond the method itself. "Fact" exists beyond the method as an entity in itself which is purely assumed. No, they just removed it from being a full sized planet and called it a dwarf planet. Which makes no sense. A lot of other planets are basically dwarfs compared to Jupiter for example. So seems science likes to discriminate against the most smallest ones. So I think it would not like calling the midget humans as just humans even though it fact it's still a human whether a dwarf or not. Same as Pluto is still a planet whether dwarf or not. So yeah Pluto is the cutest planet there is and no way can I discriminate against the little planet. But yeah science needs to realize that when they're calling something a dwarf planet they're still calling it a planet... A dwarf planet is a dwarf planet. A planet is a planet. Both contexts equivocate through "planet" but the dwarf planet, as a dwarf planet, is not a planet in the strict sense of the word when viewed on its own terms as an individual entity.
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