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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 21, 2017 23:45:38 GMT
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Post by khaos on Nov 22, 2017 17:31:13 GMT
Macedonian.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 17:35:31 GMT
In his time there were no Slavs in Macedonia!
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Post by khaos on Nov 22, 2017 17:41:06 GMT
In his time there were no Slavs in Macedonia! I didn't say he was a Slav. He was a Macedonian. The ancient Macedonians were "barbarians" to the Greeks. The term "barbarian" comes from a linguistic sphere, not a cultural one. The ancient Greeks called barbarians those who spoke other, incomprehensible languages. Persians and Egyptians who were not a lower standard than Greeks were called barbarians too. It is remarkable that the Dorians, who really were at much lower cultural level than the Achaeans and Ionians, were never called barbarians. I admit that Alexander the Great really admired the Hellenistic culture and wanted to be part of it (that's why he spread it everywhere he conquered), but he was Macedonian by ethnicity. The Macedonian dynasty, especially beginning with Alexander the I a.k.a "phihellene", led an openly pro-Hellenic policy. At their court, first in Aigai and later in Pella, educated Greeks (teachers, physicians, artists, etc.) sojourned. The Macedonian kings were fond of representing themselves as Greeks. To obtain the right to take part in the Olympic games, which was denied to him as a barbarian, Alexander the I claimed that he was descended from Argos in Peloponnesos, from the dynasty of Temenides. Governed by such a dynasty, the ancient Macedonians were slowly included into the sphere of Hellenic culture. However, the ancient Greeks NEVER acknowledged them as compatriots. There are numerous testimonies from which one can see that the ancient Macedonians were barbarians for the Greeks. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that today's Macedonians are those same Macedonians from Alexander's time. There is not such thing as a pure nation today, everyone are mixed. Macedonians and the other south Slavs are mostly culturally and linguistically slavicized doe. Just because we are not 100% pure Macedonians that doesn't mean that we are 100% pure Slavs.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 21:52:48 GMT
In his time there were no Slavs in Macedonia! I didn't say he was a Slav. He was a Macedonian. The ancient Macedonians were "barbarians" to the Greeks. The term "barbarian" comes from a linguistic sphere, not a cultural one. The ancient Greeks called barbarians those who spoke other, incomprehensible languages. Persians and Egyptians who were not a lower standard than Greeks were called barbarians too. It is remarkable that the Dorians, who really were at much lower cultural level than the Achaeans and Ionians, were never called barbarians. I admit that Alexander the Great really admired the Hellenistic culture and wanted to be part of it (that's why he spread it everywhere he conquered), but he was Macedonian by ethnicity. The Macedonian dynasty, especially beginning with Alexander the I a.k.a "phihellene", led an openly pro-Hellenic policy. At their court, first in Aigai and later in Pella, educated Greeks (teachers, physicians, artists, etc.) sojourned. The Macedonian kings were fond of representing themselves as Greeks. To obtain the right to take part in the Olympic games, which was denied to him as a barbarian, Alexander the I claimed that he was descended from Argos in Peloponnesos, from the dynasty of Temenides. Governed by such a dynasty, the ancient Macedonians were slowly included into the sphere of Hellenic culture. However, the ancient Greeks NEVER acknowledged them as compatriots. There are numerous testimonies from which one can see that the ancient Macedonians were barbarians for the Greeks. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that today's Macedonians are those same Macedonians from Alexander's time. There is not such thing as a pure nation today, everyone are mixed. Macedonians and the other south Slavs are mostly culturally and linguistically slavicized doe. Just because we are not 100% pure Macedonians that doesn't mean that we are 100% pure Slavs. Modern Macedonians descendants of the ancients, they began to speak Slavic? I know that the Greeks say that the ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe too, and modern Macedonians are Slavic immigrants!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 21:52:58 GMT
I always was interested in this theme! Alexander's Empire was the superpower of him time! It is surprising that they have not conquered India!
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Post by bouipoz on Nov 22, 2017 22:38:19 GMT
I always was interested in this theme! Alexander's Empire was the superpower of him time! It is surprising that they have not conquered India! , after the Greeks and the Macedonians followed Alexander in his military campaigns across Western Asia, the Celts took advantage of the military vacuum created by the departure of so many warriors to invade and loot Greece.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 22:46:18 GMT
I always was interested in this theme! Alexander's Empire was the superpower of him time! It is surprising that they have not conquered India! , after the Greeks and the Macedonians followed Alexander in his military campaigns across Western Asia, the Celts took advantage of the military vacuum created by the departure of so many warriors to invade and loot Greece. Many who plundered Greece at different times! They could resist! But we must admit it was their golden age!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 22, 2017 22:49:36 GMT
But it ended after Alexander's death! When his Empire collapsed it was then that the Celts invaded in Greece!
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Post by khaos on Nov 23, 2017 17:20:59 GMT
I didn't say he was a Slav. He was a Macedonian. The ancient Macedonians were "barbarians" to the Greeks. The term "barbarian" comes from a linguistic sphere, not a cultural one. The ancient Greeks called barbarians those who spoke other, incomprehensible languages. Persians and Egyptians who were not a lower standard than Greeks were called barbarians too. It is remarkable that the Dorians, who really were at much lower cultural level than the Achaeans and Ionians, were never called barbarians. I admit that Alexander the Great really admired the Hellenistic culture and wanted to be part of it (that's why he spread it everywhere he conquered), but he was Macedonian by ethnicity. The Macedonian dynasty, especially beginning with Alexander the I a.k.a "phihellene", led an openly pro-Hellenic policy. At their court, first in Aigai and later in Pella, educated Greeks (teachers, physicians, artists, etc.) sojourned. The Macedonian kings were fond of representing themselves as Greeks. To obtain the right to take part in the Olympic games, which was denied to him as a barbarian, Alexander the I claimed that he was descended from Argos in Peloponnesos, from the dynasty of Temenides. Governed by such a dynasty, the ancient Macedonians were slowly included into the sphere of Hellenic culture. However, the ancient Greeks NEVER acknowledged them as compatriots. There are numerous testimonies from which one can see that the ancient Macedonians were barbarians for the Greeks. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that today's Macedonians are those same Macedonians from Alexander's time. There is not such thing as a pure nation today, everyone are mixed. Macedonians and the other south Slavs are mostly culturally and linguistically slavicized doe. Just because we are not 100% pure Macedonians that doesn't mean that we are 100% pure Slavs. Modern Macedonians descendants of the ancients, they began to speak Slavic? I know that the Greeks say that the ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe too, and modern Macedonians are Slavic immigrants! Well, not quite. We are mostly descendants of the native population that already lived here before the Slavic migration, which means, the ancient Macedonians (Illyrians, Thracians etc. too). According to some genetic studies, the Slavic gene is barely 20% present in the genesis of the Macedonians. If you have some counter-arguments, feel free to share them...
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Post by MaceDon on Dec 18, 2017 22:09:11 GMT
There is a lot of thesis from all kind of international authors that say Ancient Macedonians are Slavs Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 18, 2017 22:54:43 GMT
There is a lot of thesis from all kind of international authors that say Ancient Macedonians are Slavs Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro The Slavs appeared around the 5th century AD! The fact that the ancient Macedonians is Slavs are folk-histories most likely.
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Post by MaceDon on Dec 19, 2017 0:34:11 GMT
Yes thats true but when we consider the sercomlstaces of all nations there beginning is in some folklore. Regardless to all things the great proofs come on a basis of some thesis Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Post by MaceDon on Dec 19, 2017 12:20:44 GMT
So to be clear, one of the theories is Venetian origin theory! The Venetic theory (venetska teorija) is an autochthonist theory of the origin of the Slovenes that denies the Slavic settlement of the Eastern Alps in the 6th century, claiming that proto-Slovenes (also regarded as the Veneti people by the proponents of this theory) have inhabited the region since ancient times. Although it has been rejected by scholars,it has been an influential alternative explanation of the Slovenian ethnogenesis. During the 1980s and 1990s, it gained wide attention in Slovenia and the former Yugoslavia. A version of this theory states that most of Central Europe and portions of today's northern Turkey were originally inhabited by a single people - the Veneti - a people that were subsequently dispersed by several invasion from the North in the form of Celtic and Germanic migrations and by the push northwards of the Roman Empire. According to this variant, the Armorican Veneti, the Adriatic Veneti, the Vistula Veneti as well as portion of the Illyrians and the Veneti of northern Turkey were all related people who spoke the same or similar language. The theory also counts among the Veneti several peoples of North Spain, Northern coastal France as well as portions of Denmark, Wales and of Ireland. In this version, most of the northern Slavs as well as the Slovenes and some Croats are the last remnant the original European Veneti. Venetians are Slavs
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 19, 2017 12:38:06 GMT
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