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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 21, 2017 8:30:00 GMT
There is a scientific measurable reality to our material world. I haven't a clue what lies behind it but it is most certainly no god. It has none of the attributes of any of the gods we have configured to date.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 21, 2017 8:39:56 GMT
Can you exolain more what you mean by the last sentence? And is your whole family atheist or not everybody?
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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 21, 2017 8:55:10 GMT
Can you exolain more what you mean by the last sentence? And is your whole family atheist or not everybody? I don't really know much about it other than it is a duality and cannot go backwards. If It retreats, chaos emerges (Historically this is backed up by facts on social regression which is always accompanied by wars and suffering). Always. If it is not complied with, chaos follows. It seems to sum up progress and it is logical. If I went into it in any depth, I would not know where to start. I have studied it for so long, that it has become second nature to me. I will describe elements in posts across this forum as it impacts on anthropolgical issues, I have rationally surmised.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 21, 2017 9:08:44 GMT
Atheism is a religion too in my opinion ! Faith in something mysterious like any other religion!
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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 21, 2017 9:20:27 GMT
Atheism is a religion too in my opinion ! Faith in something mysterious like any other religion! Perhaps.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 21, 2017 9:27:10 GMT
You have been an atheist all your life too?
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Post by kiwibloke on Nov 21, 2017 9:46:19 GMT
You have been an atheist all your life too? Well I was raised against the backdrop of gods and such like. Religion is hard to escape. Its an old delusion that dates back to our early sense of self awareness and possibly well before so its not something where I woke up one morning and decided I was going to adopt a contrarian belief. This is a science for me. But it is one, I choose not to discuss in detail as it tends to get muddied up with metaphysics and that is a very real risk here. So its put out there and if anyone cares to read up on the science of society which is very briefly touched on by Karl Marx in material dialecticism (and he struggled with the idea as do I), they are welcome to.
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Post by enarjilisi on Nov 28, 2017 11:51:21 GMT
Hello, here I am, another atheist. How many of us here so far?
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Post by Manul on Nov 28, 2017 19:10:10 GMT
Religion was made to keep animal instincts of people under control, this is a good thing actually. It makes society more competitive towards other societies. Also religion stand against matriarchy which is never ends good: Amazon tribe which probably was crushed by ancient Greeks if existed, Finnic tribes which dissapeared from history in East Europe, late Romans etc...) are good examples, that's why Catholic church has celibate tradition & in the bible written (in the legend of original sin) that woman stole fruit under the influence of ancient serpent (animal instinct "Don't steal" allegory) and gave to man to share responsibility, the man instead of making his own decision followed her & there were big problems after it... Religion (christianity) stands for monogamy (instead of herd instinct), cult of mothership (Madonna and Child). Other thing is that some religions are just too tough, good example is islam, so tough that it is hard to find a developed muslim country without oil towers. I am myself is not believer, but I do understand why religion was created, modern liberals risk to repeat late Roman experience if will not stop crusade against christian religion
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 8, 2017 5:14:17 GMT
you can add me to the list, so many religions pre-date christianity that its a bit hard to take.
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Post by aldric on Dec 11, 2017 3:57:50 GMT
Here's the thing: you can't know for sure. There's so many things we can't explain on our own planet, let alone in time and space. I have trouble even considering that any single human religion could be accurate to the truth, but I also don't believe it matters much. Will we ever be in the position to really discern what caused the creation of our universe? I don't believe so. What I do believe is that faith is important for man to lead a healthy and satisfactory life; whether that faith be in god, science, nature, or nation.
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Post by marduk on Dec 11, 2017 5:27:34 GMT
defining what god is can be a tricky thing in itself, based on how deep your perception and non biased information hunting takes you, god is not an entity who created the universe, god is the creation of man. by that i mean what originally separated us from all the other animals is the ability to manipulate the environment to create tools, add the development of our brains over time and these tools took the form of ideas, and the thing about tools is they shape you more than you use them to shape your surroundings, or as Jung would call it people don't have ideas, ideas have people, you can reflect on this statement in your own lives think about the time before and after when an idea took over your life and how that idea shaped your persona, your behavior from what it once was and what it is now, the idea or th mental tool sculpted your inner realm, you did not consciously do it , it happened after the idea was set in place, and when it comes to god, god is simply the highest ideals one holds, looking back at history specifically Sparta their primary deity was Artemis the goddess of the hunt and childbirth and the other one was ares they viewed ares as an ideal soldier for he represented the violent aspect of war (Athena who was ares's sister being the other aspect of war i.e wisdom and strategy), now looking at spartan society especially when it came to childbirth and the life of young Spartans the combination of their highest ideals that is their gods Artemis and Ares were observed, the children were examined by the Gerousia a group of elder Spartans and the babies those deemed unfit or physically disabled were left at the base of mount Mount Taygetus or the wilderness (Artemis) which was a test of survival the ones who did survive the 7 day exposure to the wilderness were welcomed back to become soldiers, later in their lives the young Spartans were often ritualistically flogged as another test of endurance (Ares). and if you take Athens for example whose deity was Athena the goddess of wisdom the place was known for people like Plato and Aristotle
both city state had different ideals which were given the most values and those ideals were their gods. you can say that we got philosophy today because of the goddess Athena or the ideal of wisdom which translates into a psychological force which sculpts who you were, are and will become. just like it sculpted Plato and Aristotle and so many more from classical Athens
and the god of atheism (i know it sounds ironic) might be the ideals of reason and doubt held at the highest standard, you guys tell me if that might be true :D
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 11, 2017 9:28:41 GMT
There was a time when I was an atheist! But it was at a time when I seriously was not interested in important life issues and therefore the topic of religion was missing in my life. For such a curious person like me atheism was not a good option!
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 11, 2017 13:40:05 GMT
There was a time when I was an atheist! But it was at a time when I seriously was not interested in important life issues and therefore the topic of religion was missing in my life. For such a curious person like me atheism was not a good option! on the other hand, this life you have is the only one you get. When you realize there is no afterlife, no great beyond, no heavens gate that makes your time more important. Why gamble a life away praying to a non-provable, non-existent deity in hopes you might be granted some eternal paradise. live a good life free of that jail cell. who knows, if you do stand at the pearly gates at the end i think a strong faithful believer and a non believer would be judged the same way anyways, based on the life you had. If there is (probably) no after life then you just turn into ashes or worm food. regardless by that time it wont matter Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Post by Aesilief on Dec 11, 2017 13:55:55 GMT
There is a scientific measurable reality to our material world. I haven't a clue what lies behind it but it is most certainly no god. It has none of the attributes of any of the gods we have configured to date. I would say this makes you more of an agnostic than an atheist :)
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