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Post by greatestiam on May 16, 2020 13:35:12 GMT
God given rights. Do you really have any?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
When a right is given to us by governments, they assume and have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. If governments do not accept and do this enforcement duty, then citizens have a corrupted government.
If a right is given to a soul, by god, he would have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. The fact that they often are, indicates that he is shirking his duty.
To me, rights are like laws, completely useless and worthless unless they can be enforced by a given power when they are breached.
Do you have any real god given rights, or are god given rights just a feel-good lie that we tell ourselves we have so as to ignore that we have none?
Regards DL
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Post by just10sp on May 17, 2020 5:16:08 GMT
God given rights. Do you really have any? We have rights to resist evil and to the Kingdom of God.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. When a right is given to us by governments, they assume and have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. If governments do not accept and do this enforcement duty, then citizens have a corrupted government. If a right is given to a soul, by god, he would have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. The fact that they often are, indicates that he is shirking his duty. To me, rights are like laws, completely useless and worthless unless they can be enforced by a given power when they are breached. Do you have any real god given rights, or are god given rights just a feel-good lie that we tell ourselves we have so as to ignore that we have none? So in the end we have the right to resist evil; the 'devil' is 'supposed' to obey good will of men and woman and flee.. pretty much anything is permitted in the bible, however if we were to all simply obey the nicely constructed and simple commandments, none of these things would happen.Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on May 31, 2020 17:41:47 GMT
God given rights. Do you really have any? We have rights to resist evil and to the Kingdom of God.We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. When a right is given to us by governments, they assume and have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. If governments do not accept and do this enforcement duty, then citizens have a corrupted government. If a right is given to a soul, by god, he would have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. The fact that they often are, indicates that he is shirking his duty. To me, rights are like laws, completely useless and worthless unless they can be enforced by a given power when they are breached. Do you have any real god given rights, or are god given rights just a feel-good lie that we tell ourselves we have so as to ignore that we have none? So in the end we have the right to resist evil; the 'devil' is 'supposed' to obey good will of men and woman and flee.. pretty much anything is permitted in the bible, however if we were to all simply obey the nicely constructed and simple commandments, none of these things would happen.Regards DL You do not have a right or ability to resist all evils because you, as scriptures say, are born a sinner. You seem to think you have a free will, while your scriptures say we have no such thing. This old O.P. give you the verses you do not seem to have read that show you have no free will. ------------- Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design? Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link. Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us. The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures. If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith? Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm? Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please? I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed. Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did. What is your choice of those two options? Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars. I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians. What do you think is the truth? Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe? Regards DL
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Post by zackbeni on Aug 29, 2020 21:51:22 GMT
If you are referring to rights as “something to which one has a just claim: the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled”(from Merriam webster), yes Man does have them however they differ from those endowed by for example the government, in that they are to be effortfully earned or rightly put, unfolded. Man has these rights owing to his constitution.
Man is a fourfold being made up of the Spirit, Soul(Psyche), Astral Body and Physical Body. The first two constitute his spiritual and higher nature and the last two his lower nature. The Spirit of his constitution is the God of Man. It is the spark of the Universal God and thus has all the potentialities of the Universal God. These potentialities include Eternal Life, Perfection, Knowledge, Bliss, Wisdom, etc… Man is to nourish this Spirit in His Soul, as the seed in the soil, and unfold all its potentialities during his many lives, since as it can be seen by any reasonable person from simply observing men, that one mere life can not suffice hence the need for multiplicity of lives for the Soul commonly known as reincarnation.
It is indeed in this sense that we can say Man has a right to eternal life, to bliss and happiness. But it would be utterly misleading to use the analogy of government and its responsibility to enforce those rights, as some have done here, to elaborate spiritual rights endowed to Man.
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 3, 2020 15:32:27 GMT
If you are referring to rights as “something to which one has a just claim: the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled”(from Merriam webster), yes Man does have them however they differ from those endowed by for example the government, in that they are to be effortfully earned or rightly put, unfolded. Man has these rights owing to his constitution. Man is a fourfold being made up of the Spirit, Soul(Psyche), Astral Body and Physical Body. The first two constitute his spiritual and higher nature and the last two his lower nature. The Spirit of his constitution is the God of Man. It is the spark of the Universal God and thus has all the potentialities of the Universal God. These potentialities include Eternal Life, Perfection, Knowledge, Bliss, Wisdom, etc… Man is to nourish this Spirit in His Soul, as the seed in the soil, and unfold all its potentialities during his many lives, since as it can be seen by any reasonable person from simply observing men, that one mere life can not suffice hence the need for multiplicity of lives for the Soul commonly known as reincarnation. It is indeed in this sense that we can say Man has a right to eternal life, to bliss and happiness. But it would be utterly misleading to use the analogy of government and its responsibility to enforce those rights, as some have done here, to elaborate spiritual rights endowed to Man. If we have those rights to eternal life, to bliss and happiness. your god says that most of us will be denied those in hell. Why do you promote such a vile prick of a god? Regards DL
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Post by IM LITERALLY NEO on Sept 3, 2020 19:54:54 GMT
If you are referring to rights as “something to which one has a just claim: the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled”(from Merriam webster), yes Man does have them however they differ from those endowed by for example the government, in that they are to be effortfully earned or rightly put, unfolded. Man has these rights owing to his constitution. Man is a fourfold being made up of the Spirit, Soul(Psyche), Astral Body and Physical Body. The first two constitute his spiritual and higher nature and the last two his lower nature. The Spirit of his constitution is the God of Man. It is the spark of the Universal God and thus has all the potentialities of the Universal God. These potentialities include Eternal Life, Perfection, Knowledge, Bliss, Wisdom, etc… Man is to nourish this Spirit in His Soul, as the seed in the soil, and unfold all its potentialities during his many lives, since as it can be seen by any reasonable person from simply observing men, that one mere life can not suffice hence the need for multiplicity of lives for the Soul commonly known as reincarnation. It is indeed in this sense that we can say Man has a right to eternal life, to bliss and happiness. But it would be utterly misleading to use the analogy of government and its responsibility to enforce those rights, as some have done here, to elaborate spiritual rights endowed to Man. If we have those rights to eternal life, to bliss and happiness. your god says that most of us will be denied those in hell. Why do you promote such a vile prick of a god? Regards DL It's Not Like GOD Saves People And Destroys The Ones That Can't Behave Without Reason, GOD Provides A System Of Punishment / Reward, If It Takes You Years (Like Yourself) To Never Change And Continue To Fester In The Fallacy Of Atheism While Your Heart Beats By Itself, Then You're Going To Be Punished By GOD, As You Do Not Contribute To GOD's Hospitality, The Same Way You Would NOT Allow Gangsters In Your Own Home.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 14, 2020 6:49:06 GMT
No rights were given. The matter of Christianity is in dialectic: you might spoil your oaths or to violent yor the fasting and yet be saved one day. The same about why Christ were spend time not with "the wisest", but with ordinary people.
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 16, 2020 8:54:05 GMT
God given rights. Do you really have any? We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. When a right is given to us by governments, they assume and have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. If governments do not accept and do this enforcement duty, then citizens have a corrupted government. If a right is given to a soul, by god, he would have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. The fact that they often are, indicates that he is shirking his duty. To me, rights are like laws, completely useless and worthless unless they can be enforced by a given power when they are breached. Do you have any real god given rights, or are god given rights just a feel-good lie that we tell ourselves we have so as to ignore that we have none? Regards DL We were all created by our CREATOR to experience life according to his plans. Do I have a GIVEN right from our CREATOR? Yes I do. It's called Eternal Life.
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 18, 2020 20:49:15 GMT
If we have those rights to eternal life, to bliss and happiness. your god says that most of us will be denied those in hell. Why do you promote such a vile prick of a god? Regards DL It's Not Like GOD Saves People And Destroys The Ones That Can't Behave Without Reason, GOD Provides A System Of Punishment / Reward, If It Takes You Years (Like Yourself) To Never Change And Continue To Fester In The Fallacy Of Atheism While Your Heart Beats By Itself, Then You're Going To Be Punished By GOD, As You Do Not Contribute To GOD's Hospitality, The Same Way You Would NOT Allow Gangsters In Your Own Home.Why do you promote such a vile prick of a god? Jesus taught that a good god would cure and not kill. You preach for a god who kills instead of cure. You preach against Jesus, Christian. What's up with that? Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 18, 2020 20:52:50 GMT
No rights were given. The matter of Christianity is in dialectic: you might spoil your oaths or to violent yor the fasting and yet be saved one day. The same about why Christ were spend time not with "the wisest", but with ordinary people. The mater of Christianity is morality, and on that score, it gets a huge fail for homophobia and misogyny and advocating that a genocidal god is somehow good. Regards DL
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 18, 2020 21:00:50 GMT
God given rights. Do you really have any? We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. When a right is given to us by governments, they assume and have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. If governments do not accept and do this enforcement duty, then citizens have a corrupted government. If a right is given to a soul, by god, he would have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. The fact that they often are, indicates that he is shirking his duty. To me, rights are like laws, completely useless and worthless unless they can be enforced by a given power when they are breached. Do you have any real god given rights, or are god given rights just a feel-good lie that we tell ourselves we have so as to ignore that we have none? Regards DL We were all created by our CREATOR to experience life according to his plans. Do I have a GIVEN right from our CREATOR? Yes I do. It's called Eternal Life. Nice for you. It is unfortunate that the vast majority of us, including most that you love, will end in hell, and then death, --- after suitable torture without any real purpose, --- except the fun of entertaining those in heaven. Apparently, the smell of burning human fat really turn your genocidal prick of a god on. Let us know how it effects you. Yahweh's plan includes Satan ruling over us. Strange that you would want to keep such a plan going. You must really love evil, as shown by your adoration of genocidal characters. Regards DL
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Post by joustos on Sept 18, 2020 22:01:04 GMT
God given rights. Do you really have any? We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. When a right is given to us by governments, they assume and have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. If governments do not accept and do this enforcement duty, then citizens have a corrupted government. If a right is given to a soul, by god, he would have a duty to ensure that they are never taken from us. The fact that they often are, indicates that he is shirking his duty. To me, rights are like laws, completely useless and worthless unless they can be enforced by a given power when they are breached. Do you have any real god given rights, or are god given rights just a feel-good lie that we tell ourselves we have so as to ignore that we have none? Regards DL Greatestiam, if you were the greatest (Man), you would have criticized the Jefferson paragraph you quoted. I will say that all men are created equal in the sense that humans are not born with a determined "second nature" such as being rulers or subjects, masters or slaves, teachers or pupils, right-doers or wrong- . Jefferson thought that they naturally possess certain rights, such as Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I will say also that these three things are not rights (or entitlements) to begin with. It's only true that some men naturally endeavor to preserve their lives, to preserve or achieve liberty, and to attain happiness (as by doing excellent work, by making a livelihood, or by making others happy). Do all men have the right to make such endeavors in their real, physical, world? That is, Are they free (or obstructed, forbidden) to do what it takes to have life, liberty, and happiness? A right is a freedom. In a republic, all citizens have the duty to respect the freedoms of the other citizens. Rights and duties are stipulated by the citizens, or by contracting parties; they are not given/granted by a government or by a god. (And so forth.)
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 19, 2020 3:59:21 GMT
No rights were given. The matter of Christianity is in dialectic: you might spoil your oaths or to violent yor the fasting and yet be saved one day. The same about why Christ were spend time not with "the wisest", but with ordinary people. The mater of Christianity is morality, and on that score, it gets a huge fail for homophobia and misogyny and advocating that a genocidal god is somehow good. Regards DL I'm afraid you're wrong here. Indeed, Christ spend time with fishermen, hookers (Maria Magdalena was supposed to be), tax-takers and some criminals. He spoiled ttaditions not once: eating prohibited food, not praying before eating, and nany others. What he was teaching was kinda weird and really strange for the time. Morality was what phariseans did pray. And as you know Christ hated their opened hypocrisy, because they claim to be holding morality, but instead they did not. Catholic now live by turned morality, and some Protestants do. They had lost that courage which Christ had. Morality is what lasts when the central believe is lost: a man thinks that to continue his habits is to honour traditions. However, fools cannot keep any traditions – they aren't able to keep anything. I am homophobic. Why should I need to support perverted govt intentions? Besides if some richs are tired to have normal sex and have started to take themselves as gods, then dash them twice! and their twisted unhealthy ideas! No sane person have twisted perverted views.
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Post by iaminyou on Sept 19, 2020 5:43:04 GMT
We were all created by our CREATOR to experience life according to his plans. Do I have a GIVEN right from our CREATOR? Yes I do. It's called Eternal Life. Nice for you. It is unfortunate that the vast majority of us, including most that you love, will end in hell, and then death, --- after suitable torture without any real purpose, --- except the fun of entertaining those in heaven. Apparently, the smell of burning human fat really turn your genocidal prick of a god on. Let us know how it effects you. Yahweh's plan includes Satan ruling over us. Strange that you would want to keep such a plan going. You must really love evil, as shown by your adoration of genocidal characters. Regards DL Yes. I know that all human beings will perish but that is not how MEN ( male and female ) were created. They were created a very long time ago within the IMAGE of our CREATOR with a VOICE. Genesis 1 26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." 27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
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Post by greatestiam on Sept 19, 2020 13:26:57 GMT
The mater of Christianity is morality, and on that score, it gets a huge fail for homophobia and misogyny and advocating that a genocidal god is somehow good. Regards DL I'm afraid you're wrong here. Indeed, Christ spend time with fishermen, hookers (Maria Magdalena was supposed to be), tax-takers and some criminals. He spoiled ttaditions not once: eating prohibited food, not praying before eating, and nany others. What he was teaching was kinda weird and really strange for the time. Morality was what phariseans did pray. And as you know Christ hated their opened hypocrisy, because they claim to be holding morality, but instead they did not. Catholic now live by turned morality, and some Protestants do. They had lost that courage which Christ had. Morality is what lasts when the central believe is lost: a man thinks that to continue his habits is to honour traditions. However, fools cannot keep any traditions – they aren't able to keep anything. I am homophobic. Why should I need to support perverted govt intentions? Besides if some richs are tired to have normal sex and have started to take themselves as gods, then dash them twice! and their twisted unhealthy ideas! No sane person have twisted perverted views. You put sex above love and think that the right thing to do, while ignoring that Jesus put love above sex. Not that you care what a moral person would do. Regards DL
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